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Digital Foundry hands-on Quantum Break (XB1)
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It takes 4 720p frames and combines them to make a 1080p image, not unlike what Killzone Shadowfall did in multiplayer. So it's not 1080p, but not exactly 720p either. It's similar to what rainbow 6 siege does.
Samurai G0SU
Member
4 frames of 720p 4xmssa to 1080p or some thing like that. sounds like some type of wizardry that i dont understand but the game look good to me!
It's quite likely KZ. It's always a temporal reconstruction. So it's native 720p.
It renders at 720p but what gets sent to the player isn't 720p. Some technical witchcraft.
It's not the first time NX was wrong though...
LukasTaves
Member
Bits N Pieces
Member
Yeah, resolution is usually on top. Hopefully it is up there, though. I don't understand why it wouldn't be.
I refunded my copy of Rise of the Tomb Raider from the Windows store on the first day, but I'm pretty sure I remember there being a resolution option.
See to me thats 1080p as thats what the frame buffer sees and outputs to your screen with no scaling. I dont think theres any real need to decide which pixels are 'new' and which are reconstructed if the technique works well (which Im not 100% sure it does).
EDIT: Id admit though the technique is a bit over my head trying to reconcile whats actually happening so maybe Ive just missed some key point. Sounds like checkerboard interlacing with the reconstructed pixels being some average/temporal extrapolation from the previous 4 frames.
EDIT2: Sorry forgot to say thanks to the people who replied with info on the technique
ps3ud0 8)
LukasTaves
Member
R6 and QB seems very different from Killzone. Maybe even QB and R6 are different as well.
Killzone MP renders in 1080i natively each frame intercalating the rows, and them using a velocity vector they try to predict where the pixels from the previous frames will be.
R6 uses a MSAA'ed buffer, which contains the correct edges of a 1080p image, and use that delta do interpolate the inside pixels.
QB apparently does something similar, but it needs passes from old frames as if it accumulates the estimations over time.
Not sure which is more expensive, but they all seem to give better results than their native res would suggest.
Edit: Actually, I'm not sure if that's what R6 uses, I just noticed that the slide I read was from Redlynx (Trials Developer). Perhaps R6 borrowed the tech, but they might developed their own as well.
Chobel
Member
It's not rendering 4 frames each time, they use the previous rendered frames to upscale resolution, so it makes no sense to use this tech in PC.
LukasTaves
Member
In the trailer it seems that they are doing some sort of reconstruction for the shadows, at least in cutscenes. When the char moves their self shadows get way more dithered compared to when they are standing still.
Quite interesting seeing all these techs to improve image quality/push graphics forward while keeping the rendering costs manageable.
LukasTaves
Member
It always make sense to improve the native res no matter what it is XD
Maybe this way they can get 4k 60fps on hardware that wouldn't be able to otherwise.
rokkerkory
Member
I still think game looks great but I do wished it was 900p native at least.
Chobel
Member
It's just upscaling, smarter one yeah, but in the end it's still upscaling to higher resolution. So you're not really getting true 4K if you use this tech.
Personally I don't care about 4K support, just confirm that the game support any framerate (no 30fps cap) and I'm good to go.
Not sure if serious.
ethomaz
Banned
It won't get 4K with this tech like it didn't get 1080p.
There is no cap... if you can get the hardware you can run in 4K.
Would this explain why the game looks smoother when you're static, but worse when you're moving, it can't use the previous 4 frames as accurately since there is motion involved?
Frozone
Member
After seeing Quantum Break gameplay on Youtube, this game has got to be THE best looking game on consoles I've seen. Incredible use of hardware. Amazing lit particle count, light sources, shadows, DOF, deformation, animation is great, etc.. I can't imagine how this would look at 4k on a PC. PC hardware requirements are completely justified from all that is going on. Congrats to Remedy for such excellent use of the hardware!
Brad Grenz
Member
The KZ, Seige and QB rendering methods are all very different. Aside from being attempts to save rendering time they don't actually have that much in common in how they work and what the results are.
Here's image 1 if anyone cares.
Source:
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles...reak_s_pc_graphical_options_menu_has_leaked/1
Dinky Dino
Member
Wonder what anti aliasing options there are
Should be illegal NOT to include SMAA on every game that is released on pc these days
If it makes any difference the DF people mentioned it looks closer to 900p than 720p in terms of clarity.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
This game is going to murder some PC's.
Frozone
Member
Just saw this. Now i'll be trying it with everything in the game.
Yea, that's what's got me impressed with this game. Several moving objects destructible.
Just saw this. Now i'll be trying it with everything in the game.
Source?
"Let's Watch" from Achievement Hunter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrLdHW1EW0w
They played the first act. Careful of spoilers.
Awesome. Cheers dude.
Is it me or the game is downgraded since E3 2013?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E087GDdXYl4
The final product is no where near their reveal trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E087GDdXYl4
The final product is no where near their reveal trailer.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
Watched the video above and decided to go ahead and pre-order the game (Xbox One). Definitely excited for it. If however impressions and reviews end up lacklustre, I might re-consider. Hopefully one of the etailers does a better price for the game before launch, but I'm committed to £40 from SimplyGames for the time being. Flubit price matched to £39, but for a £1 I'd rather keep an official order that guarantee's the pre-order DLC and most likely ahead of release date delivery.
I'm still apprehensive about a few things though. Those being the live action segments (might kill pacing and just be quite poor), too many enemy waves and repetitious kill arena's (already some of the demo's I've watched have come on a bit strong with the combat, even early on), and lastly, there simply not being enough powers to keep things fresh. Though given the fact that there are also different weapons to go along with those powers, and creative combinations to experiment with, I'm much less concerned about the last one.
I'm still apprehensive about a few things though. Those being the live action segments (might kill pacing and just be quite poor), too many enemy waves and repetitious kill arena's (already some of the demo's I've watched have come on a bit strong with the combat, even early on), and lastly, there simply not being enough powers to keep things fresh. Though given the fact that there are also different weapons to go along with those powers, and creative combinations to experiment with, I'm much less concerned about the last one.
To me it does. The faces are also way better now.
As a cut-scene, I think it's too early to hold Remedy's feet to the fire. It definitely looks entirely different in the final game. Writing is also different.
I'll be comparing the 2014 demo to the final game soon. That shows some very interesting changes.
johnnydrama
Banned
For PC experts here, I have a question. Since Windows Store games don't support overlays, how am I supposed to tell my framerate? I want to be able to get a locked 60, and it's going to be a real pain in the ass to adjust the settings if I don't know what kind of performance I'm getting.
I have a 980Ti, by the way.
I have a 980Ti, by the way.
Man I can't wait for all your QB content. Seems like there'd be loads to cover. When do you think you'll have it all ready?
On review day. Doing the best I can but I'm sure there are still going to be things I miss. There's a lot to it.
Cool. Definitely interested to hear your thoughts.
justsomeguy
Member
Other people have mentioned using DXTory. Never tried it, but may be the solution?
RiotPelaaja
Remedy
That's act 1-2. So the second level of Act 1. We purposely are avoiding showing Act 1-1 to not ruin how the game begins.