FPS bottlenecks are CPU limited almost always. Unless you have some huge GPGPU back side compensation. That's why Jaguars still haunt the Pro.
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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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FPS bottlenecks are CPU limited almost always. Unless you have some huge GPGPU back side compensation. That's why Jaguars still haunt the Pro.
I thought we knew the CPU core count and type? If we don't even know that these speeds are even less helpful than I originally thought.
Edit: Yes the digital foundry article says quadcore A57
Nope, he's full Oreganoing now, you can't stop it. Just witness it while your brain cells slowly but steadily melt because of the Oreganoing.
Kissenkopf
Banned
Maybe it will struggle to run NES games. Come on man, all I see from you is crying all the time. Take it like an adult...the console is not the most powerful ever but it is still more capable then the Wii U.
This is likely scenario for launch. Though I'm expecting a 2nd bundle game targeted for adults. Either a FIFA/NBA Bundle or Skyrim Bundle.
If Switch sales slow down alot after Zelda releases in June.
I expect Basic SkU bundles that come with free games for the holidays
$250 Pokemon Stars Bundle
$250 Mario Maker Bundle
AquaWateria
Member
Honestly at this point we just have to wait for the January event.
Whether it turns out bad or good is up to grabs.
Whether it turns out bad or good is up to grabs.
Ftfy, and i guess
if i got the system right
3ds=Jak 2
WiiU=Uncharted
Switch=Uncharted 2
Xbo=Uncharted 3 Remastered
Ps4=The last of us remastered
Pro=Uncharted 4
Scorpio=The last of us part 2
Way of the Warrior.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
We've got a wee bit more than clockspeeds to assume the system won't be remotely cutting edge in performance. Wouldn't mind being wrong though.
But yeah, affordability....gotta consider that Nintendo tax too. Hopefully it's not too expensive. I think for Nintendo's sake an entry level price is wise.
Yes, dumbed down variants of popular AAA titles, mainline titles that rarely if ever were represented on said systems. We may get the same, along with the odd ports here and there, but my argument is simply that people hungry for these mainline AAA games need to suck it up and accept that for at least the third generation in a row this is not happening* on Nintendo platforms. And that's okay because that's not their focus.
*pending my conclusion jumping being inaccurate
Yeah pretty much. I don't game on console anyway unless I absolutely have to, but Nintendo hardware has long sit nicely alongside my PC. Honestly I have more issue with stuff like the PS4 due to how common multi platform games are these days and thus the increasing redundancy of Microsoft and Sony's offerings in face of my PC. At least with Nintendo I'm guaranteed a bunch of games I can't find elsewhere.
I'm just hoping for something more akin to the Wii over the Wii U, in terms of quantity of experimental, B-game stuff from both Nintendo and third parties. The Wii U really lacked a large, obscure library that the Wii had. And that was something I adored about the latter.
runnin_blue
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Obviously I haven't read the last 70 odd pages, but has anyone speculated as to why the Switch has a fan inbuilt if it is so apparently "weak"?
Clearly, I am no tech-head, but if this can "barely" up-port Wii U games, why does it have cooling? Why isn't it like every other portable ever, fanless.
Knowing Nintendo, they wouldn't wack a fan in there unnecessarily. This machine must be doing something taxing.
Clearly, I am no tech-head, but if this can "barely" up-port Wii U games, why does it have cooling? Why isn't it like every other portable ever, fanless.
Knowing Nintendo, they wouldn't wack a fan in there unnecessarily. This machine must be doing something taxing.
Mr. Pointy
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I'm guessing in about 2-3 years there will be a New Switch with Pascal or Volta Tegra, depending on which architecture can be readied a year in advance. And so on every 2-3 years.
So the general vibe I'm getting from this is that the console mode is heavily restricted in order to make sure that it's easy to scale between console and portable mode. It seems as though they locked down what they could get away with in portable mode and then spec'd the console mode based on that.
It would be odd to me for them to know the CPU but also have no idea on the SM/core count of the GPU. I took their wording to mean that their only solid info is on the clocks, everything else is supposition based on past rumors.
They even openly say they think or believe this chip has Pascal features but they make no definitive statements. So they know something but it's limited on hard details.
icecold1983
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-iphone-6s-plus-review/6
i believe the galaxy note 5 uses the same cpu as switch but with twice the clock speed and 4 extra low power cores. no idea if the low power cores helps these results at all
i believe the galaxy note 5 uses the same cpu as switch but with twice the clock speed and 4 extra low power cores. no idea if the low power cores helps these results at all
RavageDark
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Okay, can I just point out that ALL of the devs who are working on the Switch already knows about its specs?
I'm pretty sure if it was a problem, we'd be seeing a repeat of the pre-Wii U months. IJS.
I'm pretty sure if it was a problem, we'd be seeing a repeat of the pre-Wii U months. IJS.
I agree as far as that goes. At this point in the wiiU's prelifespan we had multiple anonymous devs trashing the console specifically the CPU.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
You thought that it was going to be twice as powerful as it is.
I thought that it would be one third more powerful than it is.
Kissenkopf
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Yeah, now they know for sure how powerful the device is.
But this is Gaf and just wait untile someone says that the devs dont speak bad about the console this time because they signed an NDA, even when they decided not to work on it BECAUSE it is so weak.
No in 2 or 3 years Nintendo will lower price to appeal to kids market even more with crazy Pokemon bundles. They will also have better margins for better profit on the hardware.
I can imagine a Switch Micro that's a true handheld that uses the same inards but not dockable or a Switch XL that's bigger with a 1080p screen and larger battery size and runs at full docked power without being docked. Or a Switch home console that's cheap and not hybrid.
Switch 2 will release in 5 years at most
Not really. It was much closer to launch. I remember the "Wii U's CPU is pathetic and a disgrace and should be shot in the public square" or something like that from a THQ guy was somewhere in November 2012.
And what you linked was 2 months before launch.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Switch's CPU will not struggle to run last gen games, at least not any more than Espresso did. Last gen games were very CPU-FLOPs heavy, and A57 @ 1GHz slaps around Espresso @1.25GHz there, in every conceivable way.
Mr. Pointy
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I'm thinking more New 3DS/DSi iterative upgrades, but at a more regular rate. With portable only and home only versions in the mix.
OrbitalBeard
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If 3D Mario hits day one, the launch will be fine.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Every game that's running under native 4K on Pro is GPU-bound or bandwidth-limited.
Teletraan1
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That is where I am at. If I get to play whatever kind of games came to the 3DS or Vita + Nintendo first party at a reasonable price for the hardware I am in. If they come out with a $250-299 price point I will wait for a sale/refurb to jump in.
Wii U was 176. I had the SDK documentation. IIRC it was the ALUs that are wrong in that link. It was 160 (I don't have docs any more)
thing is we already know that the last of us is the best one, just like we know the scorpio is going to be the best. we don't know anything about the last of us part 2 yet aside from it starring
ellie
joel
krizalidzero
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So every flop number is wrong, basically. The Wii U couldn't have been that inferior to the PS3 and XBox 360, could it? And the PS3 should have been way more powerful than the X360
It was on a newer architecture. People really underestimate how much of a difference that makes.
Is Eurogamer possibly comparing apples to oranges here?
From the article:
If this much is available for "applications" (i.e. games in this case) to use, what's running the OS? There's clearly either some other processors running it or it's taking up some of the clock cycles.
From the article:
DF said:
If this much is available for "applications" (i.e. games in this case) to use, what's running the OS? There's clearly either some other processors running it or it's taking up some of the clock cycles.
So would $250 be unreasonable for a portable Wii U.
A Shield Tablet with a weaker K1 Chip and no bundled controller, dock or extra battery grip costs $200.
Vita launched for $250 which at the time was a premium handheld which the Switch is.
RavageDark
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So...you're saying the switch is gonna be the best console of the bunch?
krizalidzero
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OK, according to Wikipedia the 360 was 115.2 GFLOPS. Comparing all three (Wii U, 360 and PS3 having somewhere between 230 and 240) that makes total sense to me.
Anyways, these are all processor specs. I wonder about the GPU - which is the one that matters.
calc84maniac
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OS probably runs in the background on another processor. Maybe even a lower-power one, if the SoC was designed that way.
Saying certain frequencies are available to applications at launch means just what it says. It's like how the PSP limited games to running the processor at 222MHz at launch. Later it was unlocked to 333MHz. You don't rate a frequency lower if it's running at a higher frequency and cycles are being stolen. It's a frequency, not a volume.
This is where I'm at, but in addition to this, since I have a PC, the real value of Nintendo hardware for me is in good portable gaming. Good portable gaming is the one thing PC can't give you right now.
As for western third party, I imagine we might see a repeat of the early PSP and Vita years where they tried some portable versions of western franchises. That'll peter out, and most will just leave. Hopefully the big stuff like FIFA, 2K, and Madden stays. PSP and Vita (and to a certain extent Game Gear) tried the powerful handheld route before, but have we ever had a handheld that's actually more powerful than the consoles of the previous generation? The PSP was similar to PS2 but still inferior. The Vita was similar to PS3 but still weaker. I guess the Game Gear was literally a handheld Master System.
Maybe the undivided attention of Nintendo's first party studios and properties might hold up the Switch enough for those types of games to stick around a little longer. I don't know.
If this sells at $299 I say investors will put a stop to a revision. This a wonderful mobile, and perhaps the most far behind stationary console Nintendo has created yet. The shareholders will be inclined to do something to stop the bleeding.
Kingpin Rogers
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Anyone mentioned this twitter post from Nate Drake yet?
https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/811012109358288896
Hopefully what he says is true, I'd love to get some more details though.
https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/811012109358288896
Hopefully what he says is true, I'd love to get some more details though.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
It's still weak but it's probably more to do with the size and having it enclosed in a box when it's in tv mode.. Phones do overheat
We already know several games that are getting ports based on previous leaks
krizalidzero
Member
Could you elaborate? I haven't found much, and nothing that tells me anything about the console's power... except Dark Souls 3, but as someone mentioned, FROM isn't king of performance.
He's talking about the only thing he can, current development ports. Wii U got those too. They just overpriced then and then a new gen dropped and 3rd parties looked at a low install base and ran.
Not really inspiring.
SenjutsuSage
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I didn't read every comment here, but I kinda get the feeling people are viewing this as some huge negative, and a bad sign for the console, but in the grand scheme of things, I really don't feel it matters. It's more than likely still plenty capable in ways that outdoes the Wii-U. Even if it isn't, I think they've still probably done enough to make sure they've built a machine that they feel will make the vision they have for Switch possible.
I always try to be careful not to ever put too much weight into technical superiority and try my best to keep in mind the importance of trying new things, or attempting to be somewhat creative with a product. I trust Nintendo's vision and creativity will validate the technical decisions they've made.
I always try to be careful not to ever put too much weight into technical superiority and try my best to keep in mind the importance of trying new things, or attempting to be somewhat creative with a product. I trust Nintendo's vision and creativity will validate the technical decisions they've made.
Not if it gets AAA third party. That's all I care about.
Voysa Reezun
Banned
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
That's just the CPU.
Here's a few I can remember
Dark Souls Trilogy
Skyrim
Dragon Quest 10
Dragon Quest 11
Binding of Isaac
Just Dance
Sonic the Hedgehog 2017
Steam World
Stardew Valley
Yooka Laylee
I agree with you in the best case scenario.
But this is a gut punch to 3rd parties outside of mobile ports. After Nintendo has already turned them off how will they respond? Then figure in the that outside the Wii market Nintendo has a pretty consistent decline and what do you get?
If they wanna beat the Vita and 3DS and take over that market then they've done a great job. But that market is winding down.
They've learned nothing from Wii U. Ironically their best retro console but worst forward thinking one yet.
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