OrbitalBeard
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I bet it's coming eventually. It's being made by an indie team and very few small developers received Switch dev kits early.
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Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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I bet it's coming eventually. It's being made by an indie team and very few small developers received Switch dev kits early.
OfficerRaichu15
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Never buying another Nintendo console again. Im use to lower power than the other consoles but this is lower than the lowest thought before.
Thanks Nintendo you have fun games but Im moving on.
Thanks Nintendo you have fun games but Im moving on.
demigod
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Did he get his info from semiaccurate, lol.
they will compete directly wether you like it or not, if Nintendo intends to capture the Wii audience again...And they surely do...
the GPU in the 360 is more powerful than the PS3...
Why leave out the fp16 number for the PS4 Pro, if you're going to include it for the Switch?
So you think those Wii U graphics would run flawlessly on PS4?
Look at the direct-feed footage, not small gifs that hide every graphical flaw.
You're not getting it...
It's not a cock contest of what game is the best looking here.
That Monolith can do friggin' miracles on WiiU doesn't mean SE will make his PS4 title that probably runs at 30fps runs the same on a 5x less powerfull hardware..
Also you're delusional, you're inversing things.. Xenoblade looks good in gifs, not in person.. DQXI obviously has better assets.. This is not next gen for nothing..
Locamotable
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I'm no tech expert, but surely this information is next to useless until you know what the actual hardware is.
SinCityAssassin
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In this instance, I think you're the one being delusional. Though I do wonder how much better XBCX'll look on the Switch.
Eh, it's subjective. I think it looks pretty ugly, and I played thirty hours of it, but I can see someone loving the aesthetic of the game to look past the technical blemishes.
krizalidzero
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We know it's underpowered, but we want it to be competitive. Different things.
Xenoblade on WiiU is the perfect exemple of a super good looking game due to perfect optimizations, art direction, landscapes etc.. But seen from close enough there is obviously a reality check when doing crazy distances like that on WiiU..
You're telling me it has better textures and models than PS4 games, sure. Have fun with that statement. This is math i mean..
This is not even subjective he's basically saying DQXI has less graphics to display than some WIiU games so it should be fine on switch.. That's ridiculous.
Will we? Do we have a confirmation of a western release, let alone that the Switch will be getting it for real?
calc84maniac
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20nm still hasn't been confirmed, has it? Though I wouldn't be surprised.
Didn't think about that, good point!
This is rich.
EDIT: 20nm would almost be more stupid than when they sold the Wii U for 350 bucks at loss to ensure bc, low power consumption and a small (ugly) box instead of putting the best hardware they could for the money
SinCityAssassin
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I'm clearly not, I'm just saying it doesn't look bad. I ain't got no stake on whatever you're on.
We don't know the node actually. 20nm is possible but not confirmed.
The article says 20nm and this whole conversation is predicated on the article being right.
They literally reconfirmed it for Switch yesterday. For like the fourth time. And the event is being held in Japan.
That GIF was supposed to prove that exact point. DQXI doesn't look as good in person as well because it really isn't graphical intensive at all.
Of course it won't run exactly the same on the Switch, image quality will assure that. What I'm saying is that I see no reason for DQXI to get downgraded hard because the asssets themselves are already low-quality. Just looking at that the sprite-based grass and low-res ground textures should tell you that.
Also, just because a console has x amount of power doesn't mean the game will utilise it and funnily enough DQXI clearly shows that.
ronaldthump
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So much for the when docked the switch will be more powerful advocates....
krizalidzero
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For what I read
"Direct-Feed Games ‏@DirectFeedGames 12月15日
I heard Pascal over the summer. I know Pascal was being investigated for use with Switch. I'm legit surprised."
He doesn't say he was wrong, he just bought into the new rumor.
Cause we're discussing how a game like DQXi would need to be downgraded and would look ugly on Switch.
I can tell you i find FFVI on snes good looking, that doesn't mean a PS4 game will run the same on Switch with those specs. Even if it's poorly done compared to what does monolith, it'll then be even worse on Switch.
I mean don't you get my point. if it's what they can do on PS4 and it's not running at 60fps, that means their engine is already not running that well on it.
I sincerely don't see the whole crappy assets thing on DQXI. Maybe you can show me from those compressed vids where you can see that..
You keep saying this, but have you seen Dragon Quest XI in person? All we have so far are Youtube compressed videos to look at.
No it did not.
PdotMichael
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So Zelda is the more intensive game and Xenoblade looks plain better than the UE using Dragon Quest XI.
Well, why not?
Well, why not?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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The montains in xenoblade look better than mountains in final fantasy xv
And it's cause of better art direction and different choices. There is no miracle you know..
Comparing two different games doesn't equal discussing how a same team will port a game on a less capable hardware.
krizalidzero
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But that texture buffering, bro. The poor RAM (for the Wii U OS and how it shared only half with the games) hurt that game so badly.
Which worries me a little. The SWITCH has 4GB RAM, which is more than enough, but how well will it use them.... who knows.
Yeah, and we must know that HD version of DQ11 is being developed by team who did DQ 10 of WiiU..
They may be efficient but they aren't really master of optimization..
The gameplay footage is clear as day even with some compression. Just look at the ground. Or the stones. Or the animations. Or the the grass not even moving when being walked on.
It's like a game being on more powerful hardware (and using UE4) has nothing to do with the game being more graphically intensive. Has all to do with the game itself and nothing to do with hardware power.
And that makes me think, about an other guy earlier in the thread wondering if Dark Souls would run like on PS4..
Well.. about from Software and optimizations..
Mr. Pointy
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In terms of realistic performance (clock speeds + CPU/GPU architectural advancements + RAM + Pikmin strength, etc.), Switch in portable mode is probably equivalent to ~1.5 Wii Us and in docked mode, ~3.14159265 Wii Us.
plank
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Its too graphically intense for the Switch.
ViewtifulJC
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your reaction when the Switch is price at $249.99 or more
Mr. Pointy
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Uhh even the article and video says they are not sure if it's 20nm or not.
Mr. Pointy
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They only do Maxwell in 20nm. Nvidia would just call it Pascal if it was 16nm. I bet Nintendo got a really good deal on the X1 (see Semi-Accurate's article), and I still think they'll replace with Pascal in the inevitable iterative update/s within 2-3 years.
Well hey i'll give you that. The assets are not crazy quality, but there is a big density of them (and again, don't tell me this is not using PS4 power to run. This is obviously what they can achieve at 30fps). Put less of that and weaker LODs on Switch, plus maybe less good iq and it's going to look pretty rough.
PdotMichael
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What kind of nonsense is that?
A Dragon Quest XI port of the PS4 version to the Switch would need to be downgraded quite a lot. Polygon count, texture quality, IQ, lightning etc.
..and I think that's why SE guy said they must make third version at Famitsu interview.
How about you watch the video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzS4LbH5nmA
5:20
"and maybe it is a 16nm chip WE STILL DON"T KNOW FOR SURE"
Don't ever accuse me of making something up. Thanks.
krizalidzero
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I did a quick check and it should be much better than an iPad mini 4　(compared it to this because of the size)
I wonder about that.. It's weird...
if it's not just a a downgraded version of the PS4 version.. Nor an upgraded version of the 3ds one.. What would it be.. Character would be an average size between the two versions ?
same as my reaction when they tried to sell the abhorrent 3DS hardware at 249
utter shock
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