I asked him about tools (while citing how they were much superior on 360 at launch) and he didn't answer either.
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Hawk269
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Yes it was. I played it behind closed doors and it was very impressive. Overall though, the one game that made me almost shit myself and how good and smooth it played and looked, it was Forza 5. That is the one game that made me say "Fuck Me". Infamous Second Son was the 2nd most impressive game at the show...there were a lot of technical issues with it though, a lot and I mean a lot of pop-in happening and weird LOD issues. Granted, it was very early and a 2014 title, so I don't knock off too much because of that.
But coming from having the PS3/360 and a High End gaming rig, It was Forza 5 that really showed that consoles in this next gen are going to be impressive.
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James Sawyer Ford
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We must be seeing different games because what I've seen looks like a cleaner, 1080p version of the previous Forza games.
It didn't scream "next-gen" to me like InFamous, or even some of the original DriveClub videos (and I'm well aware that DriveClub's E3 showing was rather poor in comparison).
Note: I didn't see too much LoD or Pop-in for InFamous:SS, Forza 5 had its share of that as well.
I believe you but you can't really compare an open world title and a racing game with pre baked lighting. I also think that from simply looking at it, Forza 5 looks better than Second Son but the latter is technically more impressive considering the scope.
Xenon
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No it wasn't just software. It had huge ramifications on their marketing and business model. But we are talking about theoretical possibilities and since neither of us know the true reason, never say never. Still, it will most likely turn out that the XBO will be weaker than the PS4 and MS will keep that info until the system is released.
Hawk269
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You comparing watching videos to what I played in front of a monitor/TV??? The details in Forza 5 is what is the impressive thing. The amount of things happening in the backround, the lighting off of the cars was impressive as anything I have seen. Infamous was very impressive, but it also had a lot of issues with pop up, slow-down and weird pauses as you played. Again, I have been going to these shows for over 20 years and know not to judge a game with issues this early.
But as mentioned, out of all the games played (in real life, not a video) Forza was top showing followed by Infamous. Yes, totally different type of games and all. But seeing a game at 1080p/60fps with the effects and visual flare that Forza 5 showed was a pretty impressive showing.
Infamous Second Son was playable to you? Was that a special appointment because it wasn't playable for GB and GT.com
Are you a E3 judge, perhaps?
they werent even able to change the software right? That's why it needs the day one patch isnt it?
How did you play Infamous Second Son exactly? From my understanding it was not playable, even behind closed doors. It was shown behind closed doors, but we have videos of that online and the frame rate is flawless, pop in very minimal. Add to that, I find it slightly amusing you thought Forza 5 was impressive for its lighting (it's perhaps the only next gen game that uses pre baked lighting) and details (I thought the textures and geometry were slightly under par, though it definitely had a lot going on).
Can Crusher
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Well it had ramifications at a sales level. They have been badmouthed on the DRM stuff since the reveal, and they were confident E3 was going to give them the backup to follow through. But it didn't work, because they got blasted for DRM and price and the pre orders started revealing the kind of truth that made Xbox decision makers take a step back.
I mean they reached a simple conclusion, what good would be for them to go all in with a hand that at that point had no chance of winning? Bumping specs and lowering price though? That's just not going to happen.
Hawk269
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Yes it was playable to me. Special behind closed door meeting that was not at the main E3 hall. No, not a judge. lol
James Sawyer Ford
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Yeah I really don't understand his pop-in/LoD problems...I looked at the InFamous footage again and couldn't find any of that, but watching the Forza 5 track you can see some rather glaring instances of pop-in.
I also wasn't aware of Second Son being playable at E3.
Either way, we have decent quality footage of both...so I think I'm at liberty of having an opinion even though I wasn't in attendance.
Bornstellar
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While I know it's part of your daily agenda, trying to discredit first hand impressions with your own third hand impressions is pretty weak.
I thought there was significant pop-in in the distance. Nothing as close as it was in Infamous 1 of course.
That doesn't change the other things about Forza 5 though.
If DF is to be believed The Division ran on PS4. If that is true (which I'm not very confident on) then that was the most impressive to me.
perineumlick
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I know it's your opinion and all, but to me Forza 5 doesn't come close to meeting my expectations of next gen; neither does Drive Club. They look great, sure, but not jaw dropping in the slightest. Infamous, The Division, KZ, even Ryse look more like true indicators of what to expect visually. Not even gonna mention the Panty Raid engine and Dark Sorcerer stuff; well, yeah, I just did. Also The Order.
How exactly were you able to play it when no other journo could? Unless I'm missing something this does not sound legit. We've all seen the gameplay vids as well (including from the behind closed doors presentation) and none of the frame rate issues you mentioned exist, pop in is minimal too.
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Hawk269
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I thought I was perfectly clear, but I guess I was not. This is just my OPINION. There were others at the show that shared the same opinion that games on the X1 just seemed cleaner/smoother. But again, those are just opinions.
Infamous was impressive, very impressive, but I just thought that Forza 5 had way more of a WOW factor. So don't take that it was bad or anything. For me it is the game I want more for my PS4, which saddens me that it is not a launch title.
Can Crusher
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Unless you are using clever wording to cover your ass, this hole you're digging is only going to get deeper. Infamous Second Son was only playable by developers at E3, nobody else got actual hands on.
You saying that you had some sort of special access to a special behind doors hands on demo?
MS perhaps simply don't mind if they don't sell to the enthusiasts initially. Although to get to the mainstream they need a lower price,it seems clear they are going with a 'games but oh so much more' strategy, and they need to show that the 'oh so much more' is worth the trade off in lower quality games (and hope the difference is small enough to help that cause)
Currently I find the HDMI overlay and limited channel flipping to be quite boring. But it is clearly capable of so much more and I hope they keep evolving it - it could be the ultimate media center if they can stop being so obsessed with linear broadcast TV
Currently I find the HDMI overlay and limited channel flipping to be quite boring. But it is clearly capable of so much more and I hope they keep evolving it - it could be the ultimate media center if they can stop being so obsessed with linear broadcast TV
It would still be interesting to hear more about that Infamous demo you got.
Was it a different area? Is there an embargo on that? If there is, when will be able to expect coverage from other sites?
I'm assuming you were not the only person that was invited to a special demo but rather everyone else is just keeping quiet due to an embargo.
Or is that assumption wrong and you know Sucker Punch people and got a special demo that way?
(This is just me asking for more information because I like Infamous. This can't be used to verify what you say at the moment anyway and shouldn't be taken as dismissing your first hand impressions.)
perineumlick
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You said that it was playable for you, behind closed doors. Now you're saying it's your opinion; which one is it? Come on dude, you just invalidated anything you've posted in here to date. WTF! Lol.
Bornstellar
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That's exactly what he just said. Did you read the post?
babyghost853
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Go on, here's a shovel. Remember to dig up.
Again, how exactly did you play it? And where's the slow down you speak of? According to journo's the game was not playable to anyone but devs, and those appointments were by appointment (we have videos of them).
PsihoPerihelion
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What did Cboat exactly said?
I'm starting to think this will make the PS3's launch issues - the launch issues of other consoles period really - look fairly mundane in comparison when all's said and done.
As for most powerful console: It could be true! If released before the PS4! Except if the rumored date is true I don't see that happening unless Sony wants to launch on Thanksgiving or Black Friday, or miss that period entirely.
perineumlick
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Where the hell did you come from with the Pom Poms? We know what he said.
Can Crusher
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Of course I did, I quoted it. But words can be interpreted, and obviously the guy comes in nonchalant and says he played Infamous when.... nobody else thus far has? I mean as far as I know you can't simply come up and say stuff with 0 to back it up right?
Not unimpressive, but disconcertingly unpolished in actual gameplay. It has a lot of optimizing to go, and the game's going to be great if the rest of the series is any indication, but people who had the chance to see it noted the state it was in.
You just linked me to a trailer. I'm not trying to be unreasonable, but there were serious issues with environmental detail popping and weird detail shifts in actual gameplay.
Hawk269
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Do you think journalist get a higher priority to games and access to them than people that actually make them and/or work in a situation that they make financial decisions???
There are games that I have seen played that no journalist has seen and/or mentioned yet. Journalist DO NOT have high level access to games that are coming soon, in alpha or even talked about yet. Certain titles, sure, but when you go to these E3 shows and are in scheduled meetings, you get access to more than the normal press person.
You have to remember, someone can create a website 6 months out before E3 and register as a person in the press. Does not mean they get access to everything.
They could help get more power by having great tools to leverage the power quickly, but even there they are apparently behind Sony
Is there any information how much effort it is for developers to get benefits from the esram? Is it relatively automatic like a big cache, or does it need lots of careful planning?
Is there any information how much effort it is for developers to get benefits from the esram? Is it relatively automatic like a big cache, or does it need lots of careful planning?
I'm not even sure it's just the internet so much as a lie - or type of lie anyway - can only work once. And frankly the jump from PS1 to PS2 was one of the most mind blowing we'll ever see between two consoles, only the inclusion of 3D period like on SNES to N64 might compare but that's more a sideways shift and most systems of that generation were basically like SNES++ when it came to 2D visuals. Kind of like how you could argue similar for this generation over last generation.
James Sawyer Ford
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Disconcertingly unpolished? wat?
I'm still not seeing it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uibnf_Q_51s
Looks extremely fluid even in its rather early state. I'm not seeing any polishing issues.
perineumlick
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So you work for Sucker Punch then?
Now you're saying that you "have seen" the game being played. Make up your mind mate. Sounds like you're fumbling.
Xenon
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I missed this trailer. The main character seems much less douchey.
Nib, I usually don't react to you, because your interactions are pretty predictable, but really, please stop. Just stop. You're trying too hard, and with regularity you try to tell people who have played these games what they saw, or that they couldn't have seen it if it contradicts your view on it.
I wouldn't say most polished. I remember some gifs posted here on neogaf that showed quite a lot of nasty pop ups.
SenjutsuSage
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All I know is Forza 5 and Ryse both looked incredible for launch titles. I can only imagine what Forza 6 will look like, or when games target 1080p 30fps more often. The only major 1080p at 30fps game that I think we know of on the Xbox One is Ryse, and that looks amazing, whether people like or are interested in the game or not. Although, I'll be the first to say that the magic doesn't quite translate to some of the horrible screenshots I've seen released, but in action the game is pretty damn impressive.
I'm personally dying to see the next Halo title at 60fps. 343 blew my mind with Halo 4 on the 360, so I'm dying to see what they do for the next Halo
babyghost853
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This is starting to get good again.
Glorified G
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So what studio do you work at?
At least bold the whole sentence. He's Obviously saying he's seen games played that haven't even been announce. I3 has been announced, so he wasn't referring to that.
We have no evidence at all that he played the game, in fact, all the evidence points to the contrary. We don't even know who this guy is, and sorry, on GAF, lofty claims don't usually go left without some backing. He's free to explain himself obviously, that way we know it's legit and happy days.
Can Crusher
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So now you are saying you are either a dev or.... some financial executive? Oh lawd. This is getting really interesting now.
Bornstellar
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perineumlick
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The guy said he played Infamous, while no one else was given that privilege, and he can't be called into question but Nib can? Come on, man; I can't even take your opinion seriously about the game based on the direct feed footage I've seen, and what you are claiming.
But what does that have to do with what I asked him? Sounds like he's skirting around the questions.
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