Revolutionary
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Oh man, the example in OP is just awful.
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Does Nintendo Treehouse rely on memes too much? (Tri Force Heroes Localization)
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TheMoon
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Oh no, it's definitely a problem with any and all incarnations of "th"
the = ze
this = zhiss
with = wiss
three = zree
everything = everysing
something = somesing (<- a favorite of English teachers who like to follow with "who sings?")
father = fahser
mother = mosa
brother = brosa
birthday!!! (ever listened to Germans sing Happy Birthday? RIP...) = birsday
... all of it.
Maybe not for "the", but if they are trying to say "that" I know a lot of people who say "za". Heck, I do mess it up myself from time to time (usually if I'm trying to translate for to people)
It's common.
Most weird localization ever is Little King Story in Spain.
They speak 'chiquitistaní', (a dialect invented by a Spanish comedian named 'Chiquito de la Calzada' more two decades ago)
Hahaha its like Yoda having a stroke. I remember when they gave those ridiculous Andaluz accents to Seifer's henchmen in FFVIII.
The doge meme is whatever, but the NOE translation is way too damn wordy for one sentence.
Memes don't bother me as much as instantly dated pop culture references, largely because there's a longer shelf life. If you went into something like Ace Attorney 3, in which the first case makes a pointed reference to the Kelis song Milkshake, you immediately cringe because A) the song had already long had its run on the radio, B) it's done in a Family Guy-style "remember this, guys?" lazy way, which leads to the ultimate problem that C) completely misinterprets the point of the song as the reference is being made about a character who is very petite.
Memes don't bother me as much as instantly dated pop culture references, largely because there's a longer shelf life. If you went into something like Ace Attorney 3, in which the first case makes a pointed reference to the Kelis song Milkshake, you immediately cringe because A) the song had already long had its run on the radio, B) it's done in a Family Guy-style "remember this, guys?" lazy way, which leads to the ultimate problem that C) completely misinterprets the point of the song as the reference is being made about a character who is very petite.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
A bit OTT lol.
TheMoon
Member
I think it often sounds like "za" when the following word begins with an "r" sound. Or it's just generally dependent on how the particular person speaks which affects the pronunciation of certain vowels.
Chû Totoro
Member
UK English and US English are very different. Even myself which is not speaking English as my mother tongue realise this.
But regarding the meme, even if it may not be funny for a lot of people or too old since it's not insulting for anyone I wouldn't care.
for example isn't it "realize" in US English?
But regarding the meme, even if it may not be funny for a lot of people or too old since it's not insulting for anyone I wouldn't care.
kitchenmotors
Banned
You need to chill out and relax.
wild wild rice
Member
Exactly. The few boners in there don't dilute the overall charm and energy of the translation. It probably makes for the most interesting Zelda town and inhabitants since Windfall Island.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Ah I should probably correct that I wouldn't "stop playing" for good, just put it down and return to it later once my meme toxicity returned to normal. Also I work in writing as a profession so I'm more... sensitive to this shit.
Don't be that guy that chases me from thread to thread, guy. Don't you do it, buddy.
Localized your comment there.
Joking aside, that character was one of the most popular in the game, and said localization actually made sense with his back story, so I respectfully disagree with your assertion. We don't use memes for the sake of using memes, but in MH, there is a lot of wackiness in the Japanese that is sometimes suitable for this sort of treatment. That keikaku thing wasn't dropped in for a quick laugh, his entire character is based on him being from overseas and mixing native vocab into his lines. It was a pittari fit!
That said...you can't please everyone. There's always the Japanese version!
PS - I love adorbs, it makes sense in the context of TFH (which people should really play before criticizing the localization).
Oh yeah, I completely forgot, this is another great reason.
TheMoon
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When they outsource to 8-4, they still have their own people on it as well to supervise at the very least. But it's a collaborative effort nonetheless.
The good ol' "i" in "Kirche" would be an example for this. In some parts of the country the "i" is pronounced very clearly and in others it sounds more like "Kürche." Regional accents and all. Language is annoyingly complicated sometimes.
Aaronrules380
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So, can someone explain to me how they're overdoing it when you've provided one meme in the entire game, in a place most people will never see anyways
PixyJunket
Member
Memes are for children that haven't developed a proper sense of humor.
Of course, extremist political correctness has forced adults to not have senses of humor, so here we are.
Of course, extremist political correctness has forced adults to not have senses of humor, so here we are.
Localized your comment there.
Joking aside, that character was one of the most popular in the game, and said localization actually made sense with his back story, so I respectfully disagree with your assertion. We don't use memes for the sake of using memes, but in MH, there is a lot of wackiness in the Japanese that is sometimes suitable for this sort of treatment. That keikaku thing wasn't dropped in for a quick laugh, his entire character is based on him being from overseas and mixing native vocab into his lines. It was a pittari fit!
That said...you can't please everyone. There's always the Japanese version!
PS - I love adorbs, it makes sense in the context of TFH (which people should really play before criticizing the localization).
Yeah, I don't think a lot of people realize just how deeply silly Monster Hunter has always been. The Wyvern Captain is very much in keeping with the general tone of the series.
I remember people getting angry with you guys over renaming Hapurubokka to Nibelsnarf. Like, one look at that monster should tell you that Nibelsnarf is about the best name it could ever get.
What a cut-up!
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Chase you? From what thread?
Holy Order Sol
Member
Laughing at memes does not prevent me from finding many other things funny.
"proper" my ass
Feed me all the funny things, memes or not.
Davey Cakes
Member
Doesn't bother me at all, really.
If they chopped off the last part, it'd be fine. The UK translation needs to be completely re-worded to sound better though, as it reads too long IMO.
If they chopped off the last part, it'd be fine. The UK translation needs to be completely re-worded to sound better though, as it reads too long IMO.
Basically, this.
Yeah, just from reading the title I was expecting to see more examples rather than just one, like at least 5 of them
TheDinoman
Member
Holy crud, which trophy says that?
I probably made that sound more dismissive than I actually meant, but yeah, I am aware that Treehouse still does a lot of work, especially since they're the ones responsible for the localization of the important terminology that the entire game has to use, as well as communicating back and forth with Monolith on what the best ways are to keep the intentions of those terms and have it make sense for English-speaking audiences. It's pretty exciting that 8-4 is involved at all, given the great job they did with Xenosaga Ep 3 and Baten Kaitos Origins all those years ago.
From now on we will have a thread for each line we don't like in any videogame.
Karate Joe:
They worded it in a way that doesn't quite come off like it was written on the Internet. Perhaps in the example in the OP was worded in a similar matter people wouldn't have complained as much.
TheMoon
Member
Yup, this is the real issue here. Most people here just roll in, see "Zelda game" and a vague reference to the doge meme and then light their torch. That this is a very lighthearted game to boot and then also entirely centered around fashion-obsessed people gets completely lost.
And Fire Emblem!
(sorry Mark, not gonna mention Glory of Heracles)
kurisu1974
Banned
Huh? Sorry I don't...?
Seriously, I feel it might alienate gamers that aren't up to par with memes, and like someone already said, in 10 years when the doge meme is ancient, it will just look like gibberish.
TheDinoman
Member
Yeah, that isn't nearly as explicit as Ballad made it seem to be. I probably wouldn't of noticed it that much when reading that for the first time.
Linkstrikesback
Member
In isolation that karate joe trophy still makes sense as a description. Its written in such a way that it doesn't seem... Cringeworthy is the best word. If you know about the meme, even better.
The subtlety is important, whereas triforce heroes is just slapping you around the face with it.
Zelda games have always been filled with light heartedness with silly characters. That's not really an issue here.
Nothing is funny unless I say its funny and for some reason what I think is funny inst "PC" so nothing is funny.
Noted.
Dont worry, game and characters are over the top so one of them saying random gibberish would be fine even if the internet forget doge.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
Better bring out the pitchforks!
God, you guys love witch hunting, don't you? This thread has nothing to do about gamer gate, stop shoving it into every thread.
Anyways, onto things that OP is actually trying to discuss, I agree that it's starting to get a bit excessive. It's fine every once in a while, but now it's like every game is filled with this nonsense. I wish they'd stick closer to the original Japanese. There's enough wiggle room there without having to prove that you're young and hip.
Chû Totoro;183096525 said:
I'm not sure how serious this post was but as a native speaker I would never call UK English and US English 'very different.' Just a month or two ago I finished a pretty lengthy book by a UK author and didn't once have even minor issues understanding anything.
I feel like as soon as you notice something isn't written/spoken in your regional style (color/colour or realize/realise, etc.) you sort of get locked into knowing it will continue to be that way.
Really the only things that ever cause a problem are specific slang terms, which are usually few and far between and could be changed relatively easily or maybe the occasional dialect.
TFH is much lighter in tone than any other Zelda.
They changed the Union names, continents, enemy races and the BLADE acronym also. I think I read somewhere they asked Takahashi about the changes (poor man, they fooled him).
VeryGooster
Banned
At first I was like "Yeah that's dumb!" but it's more I just think the doge meme itself is just incredibly stupid to begin with. Like I probably wouldn't care as much for example if a character had said "Are you having a giggle there?" written as is and not the "u havin a gigl m8" crap.
I think if you feel the need to work in a meme in your script keep it light or, in spite of the concept and idea behind memes, just try to make it subtle.
I think if you feel the need to work in a meme in your script keep it light or, in spite of the concept and idea behind memes, just try to make it subtle.