Sure, but i'm still waiting for PSO2.
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Dragon's Dogma Online revealed - PS3/PS4/PC, MMO-ish, F2P, 4-player parties
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Sure, but i'm still waiting for PSO2.
threelights
Member
I guess the reason why Capcom are releasing a PC version along sides their recent projects (SFV and DDO), despite what seems to be SCE's financial and technical input, is the fact they may be the ones ''fully'' publishing this version while SCE's Third Party Production team publishes the PS version.
Y'all are really gonna have to get over the F2P thing. I hope somebody figures it out but the industry is increasingly moving in this direction. It's like how I had to get over open world games dominating the marketplace.
I just keep hoping somebody figures it out.
I just keep hoping somebody figures it out.
DrROBschiz
Member
It sucks that they chose to go full blown F2play MMO style online instead of just adding multiplayer to Dragons Dogma
Cornbread78
Member
Would like some details on the microtransactions, but the premise sounds really good.
Castef
Banned
This makes absolutely no sense, are you aware of it?
Just look at the relationship between Microsoft and japanese developers/companies during the past generation.
Bayonetta 2 is the definition of moneyhat. Without Nintendo throwing money at Sega and Platinum we would have never gotten it.
Moneyhat isn't always a bad thing.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
RE6 ran just fine on x360. And yes that was the reason, MT framework wasn't meant for big open worlds, they basically took MTF2.0 and retooled it to MTF2.X (open world version). This is also why it had streaming issues on the ram starved consoles.
And on the subject of PC versions, MTF is a PC engine. Capcom makes the PC games first, then ports to x360 for near parity and then lastly the port to ps3.
This is why all of the pc versions are so good, they aren't ports. The engine made by dimps for SF4 (which is now being used for DB Xenoverse) follows the same principles because the arcade machine it had to run on was pretty much a just a pc.
a secret-boss
Banned
Haven't played Dragon's Dogma might pop in my free copy
I don't think we need to get used to it. Its not the only workable business model. And its not necessarily any guarantee of success, either.
Just like you don't have to worry about every single game becoming open world.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
My hype can't be lower but since it has the same gameplay as DD I'll try it out at least.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
In all honesty though, I'd actually prefer a remastered DD with online co op where people can just join you as their pawns. I really enjoyed the combat of DD, but it was really hard to enjoy everything else due to the graphics and performance.
Primethius
Banned
Some of the most popular games are both F2P and do the model wonderfully. Dismissing this game based on F2P is up to you but how the F2P model "usually" works isn't really applicable here until we find out how the game's F2P model actually is.
It could be something completely terrible or it could be something wonderful (like League/Dota).
Given that the rest of the details sound absolutely wonderful from a DD fans perspective, I'll wait until more details are out before decrying the game over the "F2P" label.
DrROBschiz
Member
Its just business
Exclusives are tailored to the market and how they perceive it will perform.
As fas as Capcom goes the big global AAA stuff went to everything while the more risky stuff relied on partnerships
Dead Rising 3 wss the only outcast from the pattern and even thats easy to explain
"Moneyhat" is a fallacious concept in and of itself, given that nothing in this industry (or the world around it) is free. Games are bought and paid for. "Moneyhat" is a played out buzzword for "a game that was funded by a company I dislike".
Ninja Scooter
Member
To be honest this and the whole money hat thing. People will contort themselves into so many weird mental gymnastic positions to try and figure out what is a good money hat and a bad money hat based almost always on fitting preconceived opinions and the reality is we will likely never know the exact details about what business agreements really went down.
It makes zero sense for the franchise to be xbox only. Dragons dogma isn't even a hit in the west.
Yeah F2P is here to stay pretty much all it take is a few whales to bring in more money than the traditional model. Kind of sad though that they won't use this engine to bring DD
A to PS4 and pc. I am sure they would recoup the costs of that and we get the original running a lot better as well.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Maybe capcom thought ms would be dominate this gen?
I wonder how people would have reacted if SCE moneyhatted the ''full'' exclusivity of Destiny until its release date. (Like way before that big marketing deal/push... when it was still in production.)
p.s. I am still pissed that SCE canned ex-Santa Monica Stig's project, knowing that the PS4 lauched a few months back back then. I just hope they didn't put more into that marketing deal for Destiny than Stig's project. After God Of War III, I would have jumped Day 0 on that game and I am pretty sure it would have been better than what we had with Destiny. Really... what are the chances that Stig's new IP could be worse than Destiny (unless it was to be an FPS... they don't have any experience with FPS)?
That's not what a moneyhat is. Moneyhatting is paying to keep a game from existing on other consoles. Nintendo paid for Bayo 2 to even exist at all, which is a partnership.
Just a messenger. Would have been a bad idea imo
DrROBschiz
Member
Thank you Sony for helping Capcom to bring this game to PS4
Yeah
It sucks how cut up exclusives are in this industry. At least I expect PS4 to get the majority of titles which I am grateful for.
Dragonborn
Member
No, it's called funding
There's just no way to know if they're balancing it "honestly" is what I'm saying, at least for this type of game. There's no unbaised gauge for what's reasonable. I just don't see how once you introduce the ability to skip ahead via payments, you can disassociate this from the balancing equation. It's hard to balance the stats/weapons/experience game completely separate from the pricing when these affect the overall experience significantly. If it was something like a fighting game where you can pay to not have to play the story mode for a character unlock, that's a whole different beast. However, I think it's far more complicated for an online MMO or RPG where leveling up has such a huge impact on the experience.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Considering that reports were that the game wasn't coming together of say the chances were high. Everyone always wants to believe that every cancelled game would have been the best thing ever but the reality is that most of the time they were probably canned for a reason.
Justice_Bolt
Member
Online only? F2P? Fuck you Capcom! I would have preferred a remaster version of the original game. So disappointed it's not Dragon's Dogma 2.
I will still play the game regardless..
I will still play the game regardless..
As long as I get their games on Steam I don't even mind Capcom apparently thinking of continental Europe as "developing countries"I did try to put this image in every thread since the name was trademarked as a warning. Capcom basically told us they would do this.
There was a second quote about more console f2p games from the same call.
fargofallout
Member
I know it's a "get off my lawn" sort of sentiment, but I immediately distrust anything that's F2P. Granted, I've never played DOTA or any of those types of games (which seem to do it better), but my exposure to all F2P games has involved either the energy-based waiting simulators, or the game being gimped in some way, making me constantly say to myself "this part would be easier if I just paid $x for this upgrade." I just hate it. I understand the reasons for launching a game F2P, but very few can design around that in such a way that makes it tolerable to me. I would much rather just pay some amount upfront and not worry about whether my experience would be different if only I would be willing to pay some money. If it's F2P, I do everything I can to NOT pay, which isn't a fun way to play.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Or MS decided to go with Scalebound instead?
Sounds like BS.
DD on PS3 was one of the best selling new console IPs of last gen in Japan iirc. There is no way Capcom wasn't going to put the series on a Playstation platform.
I think the problem is it is a very profitable one, not enough people are wiling to boycott it that it loses too much money, and enough people can get sucked into it and spend a ton of money that it makes a lot of money.
There are other models and I agree with you I'd rather go with them (rather than anything that uses MTs that aren't just for random customization). But I think we're "fighting" a losing war
. I think that's his point. It is very lucrative and there's not enough of us that care enough to make it not lucrative. That doesn't mean I still don't try to discourage it, but I do think we're fighting a losing battle
. I mean look at how many people here will defend microtransactions in games (and in games you paid for too!). And this is a forum full of people who care more about games than the general market they are aiming these games to.Jimmyfenix
Member
MS & Capcom were pretty tight early last gen and i thought that partnership would continue into this gen (Dead Rising 3)