thekiddfran
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Get off their butts? Terrible post.
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E3 2014: $399 Xbox Ones "Flying Off The Shelves" at GameStop
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Get off their butts? Terrible post.
Fox Mulder
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Interesting, since the $450 retailer sales didn't seem to do shit with a better value offered.
I didn't think $399 with nothing would do much right now.
I didn't think $399 with nothing would do much right now.
Dragonborn
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It is settled. In my opinion it'll be a repeat of the 6th gen.
PS1 = PS4 (95-105 million)
X1 = N64 (35-40 million)
Wii U = Saturn (15-25 million)
The numbers in paranthesis are my predictions, not the numbers for Ps1, n64, and saturn
The X1 number is dependent on remaining somewhat stable in NA, since it's dead outside NA/UK. I see it as doing 25 million NA, 5 million UK, 10 million elsewher (at most).
thekiddfran
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Sunset Overdrive will have zero appeal to the mass market. Fable is dead, Crackdown again has no mass market appeal whatsoever. All they have is Halo 1-4 this year that can push sales.
Morphine_OD
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Everything is relative. Xbox One flying off the shelves is relative to WiiU's regular sales. New Xbox One at 42nd place behind the white PS4 on 2nd. In relation to white PS4, Xbox One is rotting in corner.
OneEyeTwoHead
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As much as I think Sunset Overdrive looks beautiful (albeit the gameplay looking a little generic) I can't help but agree on it having zero mass market appeal.
boredandlazy
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I know one person who has an XBOne(to be fair I don't know too many people with a PS4 either), he doesn't care about Sunset Overdrive. He does like Forza Horizon 2 though.
Sony's path has been right since the Feb. PS4 reveal.
They have a clear plan/shedule since the start.. Their "good" news weren't 180's etc.
So they're "gettin' off their butts" since the start of the new console
You see -> competition = good
btw.
I'm sure both consoles got a sales boost (E3).
But it's more news-worthy for the Xbone.
Therefore the gamespot article.
Different tastes.
I have a lot of friends which are only buying 3rd Party games like FIFA, Madden, MLB - The Show (1st Party), Racing Games, Beat'em Ups, etc.
They couldn't care less about all these "exclusives".
If those end up being the final numbers, then the gaming business is really screwed. Thats a major shrinkage from last gen when most investors are saying the console market will increase past the 250 million or so sold between the wii, 360 and ps3.
It also depends on the life cycle. i think this life cycle will be shorter than the last bc technology is advancing too quickly for these consoles to stay relevant as long as they did in the last generation.
I agree with your wii u and PS4 numbers but I think the X1 will be in the 60-80 million range. Once again I think, that your numbers show that the market has shrunk considerably and I don't think it has. Sure a lot of people left and are perfectly fine with games on their phones, but I don't think that many people left the console market.
Bam Bam Baklava
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For PS4 to become PS1 it needs more Japanese buyers though.
boredandlazy
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I was just addressing the point of Sunset Overdrive's appeal. This guy is pretty 'mainstream' with a leaning towards the 'dudebro' kind of gamer.
Goodacre0081
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I think it's clear what MS needs to do. white Xbone
Which isn't likely to happen at all considering how gamers have shifted to mobile platforms. Japan won't be some video gamer graveyard or anything like that but Japan has changed for good.
Miles Quaritch
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Gameplay looks generic? What?
What?
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What?
I think you need to look up what the word means.
Goodacre0081
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are investors really expecting all those casual Wii owners to make the transition?
Surprised they didn't announce that supposed white Xbox One Sunset Overdrive bundle like what ntkrnl leaked.
hooijdonk17
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I'll have to agree here, it looks like it could be this generation's Crackdown and Dead Rising all in one..
Bam Bam Baklava
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Yeah, those Wii owners skewed the data. Hopefully most of the 160mil between PS3/360 come back at some point and Nintendo pretty much guarantees 20mil at least. That leaves a lot missing.
Miles Quaritch
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Maybe they didn't think it would be worth it? They didn'tove ahead with the TF themed console either due to cost.
GarciaHotspur
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I think that during at least 2 months the Xbox One will sell more than The PS4 worldwide.
NavyPharaoh
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They still have time. MS uses the media, IMO better than Sony does. Announcing a white one right now doesn't achieve much. Save the news for the summer lull
U willing to make a ban bet?
BuggeryBugz
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I think the xbox one will be around the 50-60 million mark though.
What?
Chobel
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justsomeguy
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I think almost the opposite: I think it looks fresh gameplay, but the graphics haven't impressed me yet (poor framerate)
BananaSprinkles
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The PS4 outsold the Xbone nearly 2:1 in April. How was that closer than expected?
I think we can all agree that Sony's exclusive games for the PS3 over the past 4~ years absolutely crushed Microsoft's exclusive games for the 360. That sure as shit didn't help the PS4 overtake the 360 in the US. You might think exclusives are important, but they aren't very high on most people's lists.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I didn't know things were so grim that one day of good sales is news.
And the definition of good in this context is: no real numbers and only the "flying off shelves" quote from one retailer. Also missing from "good" is: no comparison to either previous sales data or the direct competitor.
I'm interested to see how good it can sell without the Kinect. I think that's a bigger draw than the $100 drop since that was mostly in effect already if you consider the packed in games and Gold.
And the definition of good in this context is: no real numbers and only the "flying off shelves" quote from one retailer. Also missing from "good" is: no comparison to either previous sales data or the direct competitor.
I'm interested to see how good it can sell without the Kinect. I think that's a bigger draw than the $100 drop since that was mostly in effect already if you consider the packed in games and Gold.
tensuke
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May NPD will not be kind to Xbone since they announced the price drop so early. June will be interesting to see though, will the price/E3 bump be enough to push it past PS4? Honestly, I think it could. After the E3 showing, not a bad time to own an Xbone imo! Titanfall couldn't, but I thought it was underwhelming compared to the massive "hype". But the price drop/lack of Kinect/cool E3 showing may be enough of a difference. Even if it doesn't beat PS4, it should still see a nice boost. Of course, not like PS4 won't see a boost thanks to its awesome E3 show, but Xbone does benefit from the price drop too.
Swass
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They probably want to, much like they wanted to release that special Titanfall edition, but they have far too many black ones sitting in retail channels. Maybe the white one will come later this year if sales start picking up.
Cthulhu_Steev
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You're right, Nintendo's games look amazing.
I hope you own a Vita and a WiiU, competition is important.
What?
How are you determining "mass market appeal". I can see SO being marketed quite effectively. It's open world with zombie style things and its funny. That's a pretty good bunch of buzzwords there.
Also Crackdown definitely has the potential for mass market. It's open world multiplayer with what sounds like absolutely crazy levels of destruction. I can see them tapping directly into what makes GTA online fun which is just doing crazy shit with your friends.
This will absolutely never happen.
No, we really can't. I completely disagree with this.
SolidChamp
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Ryan McCaffrey is fapping to this news.
Are you sure?Sony's path has been right since the Feb. PS4 reveal.
They have a clear plan/shedule since the start.. Their "good" news weren't 180's etc.
So they're "gettin' off their butts" since the start of the new console
You see -> competition = good
btw.
I'm sure both consoles got a sales boost (E3).
But it's more news-worthy for the Xbone.
Therefore the gamespot article.
Different tastes.
I have a lot of friends which are only buying 3rd Party games like FIFA, Madden, MLB - The Show (1st Party), Racing Games, Beat'em Ups, etc.
They couldn't care less about all these "exclusives".
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/DRM-Xbox-One-PlayStation-4-Shuhei-Yoshida-Hiroshi-Kawano,23292.html
http://www.ibtimes.com/sony-files-patent-curb-access-used-video-games-1005876
http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage
You know it sounds really dumb when you talk about a game having mass appeal. Very few games have that, only the huge blockbusters.
These games don't need mass appeal, they just need gamer appeal to win over some of the dozens of million core core gamers on PS360, and Sunset, Fable, Crackdown have that in spades.
DeadManWalking
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Hahaha no, xb1 is almost wii u like outside of USA and even in its second spot uk it's getting a beating despite bundles being as low as £320 at times.
Of course you disagree.
Isn't this banned? Don't just assume because he has a Halo avatar he can't be objective, especially retorting somebody claiming "we can all agree PS3 games smashed 360 games"
SMH.
digoutyoursoul
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Well I wouldn't go that far in my reaction to this thread but it's disappointing to still see such lukewarm responses here and that's being kind. Meant to be gamers aren't we.
Some Nobody
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Anything else is asking to be quote fodder later, no matter how things shake out.
It's a shame if that's true, because I'd love to play Sunset Overdrive. Of course, in all fairness I think it's going to sell like crap because IIRC the release date is in like October? That's just asking for trouble.
Worldwide? That's never going to happen.
I can. I often saw people saying "FINALLY we will see what the Microsoft studios have been making this E3" in response to many years of IP iteration and little else. Each time nothing turned up but IP iteration.
It has been rather well disguised but the end of the generation highlighted how little Microsoft do in actual game development. There was the early generation where they secured third party games (most of which "only on 360" ones crossed the divide later), then the apparent "winning" of Playstation franchises which were actually third party, then there were the lauded indie games (again, crossing over) and finally there was the smokescreen of Kinect support when that launched. What Microsoft's strategy has been is to support a piece of hardware with some bought in development support and then sit back and wait for the third party guys to come fill the void, stepping up to secure firsts on DLC. That's great when you are the platform holder that is holding the edge in the performance divide.
Sony clawed their way back into the generation by constantly providing content and, in the final furlongs, by blindsiding with subscription gaming. Now they are in a position where they hold the edge on the multiplatform titles and that will lead to them bending the ear of the publishers. They go wherever the money is at the end of it all.
The key to Microsoft over the next few E3's is not to be demonstrating third party multiplats, not third party bought in games, but to show their studios are doing to do more than service those core sliver of IP's. The signs haven't been good with Bungie & Epic vacating for other teams to come in and ghostdev the IP's.
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