Dangansona
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Good to know that the downgrade police is in force for a self contained demo 6 months out from release. Keep us naive consumers safe.
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Final Fantasy XV: Signs of downgrades from the Platinum Demo
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agreed - i have faith that they can tighten up the frame rate in 6 months and at this point that's the most important part
DannyDanger
Member
This is when i know im dealing with hyperbole
Pretty much every Sony first party game looks better than the earlier versions of the game. By far. Hello God of War 3.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
hey man, blacksmiths of the future have to eat too
Murder. She Wrote
Member
They should delay it and release on the PS4K
InsaneTiger
Member
Downgrade accusations using a CGI trailer as the base? LOL
It was going to happen regardless though.
It was going to happen regardless though.
Vincent Grayson
Member
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. This game looks amazing. I'd easily put it near the top of my list of best-looking games ever. All they need to do is polish and make the framerate solid. I have every confidence they can manage that in the next 6 months.
Shouldn't have tried to sell it as gameplay, see the UI, health bars and everything
DarkLordMalik
Member
They basically told a room full of press that it was pre-rendered right after E3 conference.Shouldn't have tried to sell it as gameplay, see the UI, health bars and everything
The demo also clearly mentioned that the "final product is subject to change".
hemo memo
Gold Member
I know you're disappointed but really?
Are you guys blind?
This is totally ps2 level of geometry... maybe even lower. Those are like 3-4 dozens of polygons put together.
Back when that trailer showed up, they made it a point to mention that some scenes were in fact offline rendered. I think at this point it's clear everything was a proof of concept render.
Squeenix has been honest for a while now with its media (and yet people complain about it, as if they were wishing they released bullshots). However, it's clear they were being tricky with their impressive trailer from 2014 as well, which shows much more grass density and further grass rendering than what the game does today.
That is a considerable difference.
Anyway, the game as it is right now looks very uneven as far as I'm concerned, I'm not sure I would consider it "impressive."
Squeenix has been honest for a while now with its media (and yet people complain about it, as if they were wishing they released bullshots). However, it's clear they were being tricky with their impressive trailer from 2014 as well, which shows much more grass density and further grass rendering than what the game does today.
That is a considerable difference.
Anyway, the game as it is right now looks very uneven as far as I'm concerned, I'm not sure I would consider it "impressive."
You think background assets use "PS4-level" polycounts? I mean, sure, it's not very well hidden, but it's not a geometry issue either. You can have that asset with some nicer lighting and material, some effects around it and make it look good enough.Are you guys blind?
This is totally ps2 level of geometry... maybe even lower
The whole area also smells of "we didn't take into consideration that people could come this high on the demo", too. They could easily fix that stuff without much effort.
LastOne2100
Member
Are you guys blind?
This is totally ps2 level of geometry... maybe even lower. Those are like 3-4 dozens of polygons put together.
Zooming on on a small section at extreme draw distance is surely a fair comparison. Look at a similar PS2 screenshot and you won't even see that on screen.
That's good but as someone who isn't following every single info coming out about the game but still visits gaf daily i had totally no idea about that
Still disappointing considering ala the difference
Playing the demo i noticed that some assets look like from old gen, also noticeable aliasing and poor deep of field, but despite that the game looks good to me, and to be honest being a Final Fantasy i don't care that much about its graphics but more about art style which looks good to me, my real concern is about frame rate instead, they really need to adress that, the demo could barely achieve 30fps with plenty of awful drops
PS: And of course it looks downgraded compared to demos they showed at some events, i thought here everybody knew that games shown at E3 and other events just run on powerful PCs to look as better as they can, same for trailers or official screenshots
PS: And of course it looks downgraded compared to demos they showed at some events, i thought here everybody knew that games shown at E3 and other events just run on powerful PCs to look as better as they can, same for trailers or official screenshots
hitsugi
Member
These people aren't familiar with how SFV turned out.
nelsonroyale
Member
Have you watched the whole trailer? Some of the stuff look up resed PS3 assets, which they were. Other stuff seemed suspiciously high end/unachievable. Personally, I think this engine is super taxing. If they showed the same stuff at 4K with high detail across the board, I think it would tank most of the early concept stuff. As it is, I still think it looks better than the initial trailers overall. They really managed to capture the city of Altissia for instance.
InsaneTiger
Member
Shouldn't have tried to sell it as gameplay, see the UI, health bars and everything
LOL. I haven't even looked at anything yet, I'm at work.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
So one random shot?
Edit: Oh my god the PS4k posts are stupid. You all do realize it's not a new console right?
Edit: Oh my god the PS4k posts are stupid. You all do realize it's not a new console right?
nelsonroyale
Member
There is a vegetation downgrade from the October 2014 footage. Otherwise, I don't agree. For me the main criticisms that fly are FPS, IQ, AA, and some low res. LoD can be noticible but the game is massive. Otherwise, I think it is very impressive looking and will look amazing at higher res/IQ
???
How it's not a geometry issue?
What you have rendered on screen in that frame is Noctis, the thing he's grapped on and everything off in the distance that makes 90% of what you see.
Noctis looks good, the building he's on it's ok-ish but given that the movement is fast it's enough and everything else you see seems like you are watching GTA:SA
Everything on the right side of the line looks really really bad compared to the CG trailer... i don't know how can you say it's not true. Like seriously how can you even compare it to the first screenshot?
Are people really believing that in six months, on release, they will make it look like the CG one? Are you insane?
It's obvious that LOD is involved but i expected way more than that.
D1renegade
Member
I'm laughing at this but also crying inside..
The next few years are gonna be something.
Back when that trailer showed up, they made it a point to mention that some scenes were in fact offline rendered. I think at this point it's clear everything was a proof of concept render.
Squeenix has been honest for a while now with its media (and yet people complain about it, as if they were wishing they released bullshots). However, it's clear they were being tricky with their impressive trailer from 2014 as well, which shows much more grass density and further grass rendering than what the game does today.
That is a considerable difference.
Anyway, the game as it is right now looks very uneven as far as I'm concerned, I'm not sure I would consider it "impressive."
rip
downgrade is ibvious. as always, game was probably made on pc, as all games are, and then downgraded to fit in consoles.
also yes, people expecting the game to look like it did on release day, cause this is just a demo? its like people who say, BUT ITS ONLY IN BETA. Never have i seen a game massively change from beta to release. so i expect this to be just like the demo in these pictures and for people to realize that ps4 is not capable of that power.
in fact, SE once said, you will need a very pwoerful PC to run FFXV. this to me just clearly states that the game was put on PC and now its being fitted into console specs.
also yes, people expecting the game to look like it did on release day, cause this is just a demo? its like people who say, BUT ITS ONLY IN BETA. Never have i seen a game massively change from beta to release. so i expect this to be just like the demo in these pictures and for people to realize that ps4 is not capable of that power.
in fact, SE once said, you will need a very pwoerful PC to run FFXV. this to me just clearly states that the game was put on PC and now its being fitted into console specs.
Crossing Eden
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The game still looks good but I noticed a lot of concessions that've been made recently presumably so that it can get reasonable performance on consoles, (compare the original behemoth scene to the new version). No way it would've been able to look like that 2013 trailer which as others noted, was target render footage and not actual gameplay, (those set pieces....), the city area as well was a PC tech demo/combat area with higher quality models than anything they showed outside of cutscenes. These are reasonable sacrifices if they ensure good performance since the game is still quite a looker.
JustCheezze
Banned
So do you guys want to keep whining and hope squeenix delay the game for another 10 years or do you all want to play the game this 30th Sept?
Let's face it, turd looking or not, people are going to play it. That's all that matters.
Let's face it, turd looking or not, people are going to play it. That's all that matters.
I haven't zoomed anything that's the native size of the picture, i only took a section of it and even then it wouldn't change anything because every building around the section i took it in the screenshot is on the same level more or less.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
Are you guys blind?
This is totally ps2 level of geometry... maybe even lower. Those are like 3-4 dozens of polygons put together.
x 200
The difference is that scene's geometry would be where the main character is standing instead of off in the distance if it was on ps2.
butman
Member
Are you guys blind?
This is totally ps2 level of geometry... maybe even lower. Those are like 3-4 dozens of polygons put together.
That's why the DEMO size is less than 3gb. Because this polygons you mention don't CARE in this case.
Is that second screenshot from the current demo? That IQ is horrendous.Back when that trailer showed up, they made it a point to mention that some scenes were in fact offline rendered. I think at this point it's clear everything was a proof of concept render.
Squeenix has been honest for a while now with its media (and yet people complain about it, as if they were wishing they released bullshots). However, it's clear they were being tricky with their impressive trailer from 2014 as well, which shows much more grass density and further grass rendering than what the game does today.
That is a considerable difference.
Anyway, the game as it is right now looks very uneven as far as I'm concerned, I'm not sure I would consider it "impressive."
PSY・S;199758070 said:
Those are sum nice graphics.
Too bad they aren't real.
Almost nothing survived on its way to an actual game. Lighting, shadowing, shading, LOD, grass...everything got a massive downgrade. Man. I assume not even a PC version would restore FFXV to that state.
It's a freshly released screen from Squeenix.
Dictator93
Member
Back when that trailer showed up, they made it a point to mention that some scenes were in fact offline rendered. I think at this point it's clear everything was a proof of concept render.
Squeenix has been honest for a while now with its media (and yet people complain about it, as if they were wishing they released bullshots). However, it's clear they were being tricky with their impressive trailer from 2014 as well, which shows much more grass density and further grass rendering than what the game does today.
That is a considerable difference.
Anyway, the game as it is right now looks very uneven as far as I'm concerned, I'm not sure I would consider it "impressive."
Yeah, LOD and shadow rendering differences have been pretty close to the camera this gen on a lot of games. It is not too surprising.
Now only if devs would not demo versions of the game that could not possibly look like that on console :/
now go ready the ps4k reactions. is official no one is allowed to win
family_guy
Member
May the PS4k save us.
Are you guys blind?
This is totally ps2 level of geometry... maybe even lower. Those are like 3-4 dozens of polygons put together.
yep im blind
ArchedThunder
Banned
No, it's one of the recent screens. The current demo looks massively better. Square is weird with screenshots.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
Honest?
giancarlo123x
Banned
And people wonder why we don't get actual demos like this anymore, people are always ready to dissect every little detail for something still in heavy development.
SpiceMelange
Member
The downgrade is real, especially grass, IQ and a much more aggressive LOD. Thankfully the game still look good so it doesn't bother me too much. And lol at people thinking the visuals will massively change in 6 months.
Are you ignoring on purpose the fact that i said that i know all of this is because of LOD?