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[Arkeband]

All I wish for is being able to use Bahamut and Ifrit as summons Esp. Bahamut because his summon against Ifrit was the most awesome thing I've witnessed this year.

If they make Bahamut summonable, and they don't give him Mega/Giga/Teraflare, we riot.

 

[Lexxism]

I think he shows up during a certain time of day. If you are just looking for a monster with high hp to use experiacast on you can use the kujata near the highway in duscae.

That's actually a good suggestion. Will do this later. After beating the monster, how long do I wait for it to show up again?

 

[FlutterPuffs]

The moment you realize that this is the only FF game where the bad guy wins*

*

Final Fantasy XII. Story has it faults but it has my favorite villain. He wanted to rid the world of mechanisations from the Occuria, with the help of a rebel Occuria who wants humans to hold their own fate. They succeeded.

Not to say Vayne is a good guy. He backstabs, manipulates and uses people to get his way, no matter how good of an intention he had in the first place.

 

[Jake2by4]

I think caius won too. Not sure tho because that plot is spaghetti types of confusing.

Froze time, killed the goddess, yep he won.

 

[Meowster]

Final Fantasy XII. Story has it faults but it has my favorite villain. He wanted to rid the world of mechanisations from the Occuria, with the help of a rebel Occuria who wants humans to hold their own fate. They succeeded.

Not to say Vayne is a good guy. He backstabs, manipulates and uses people to get his way, no matter how good of an intention he had in the first place.

No coincidence, then, that Vayne and Ardyn are some of the best villains in the series.

Vayne is so overlooked but XII is in general, hoping the remaster fixes that.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

I'm pretty sure Vayne didn't want to die.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

I'm pretty sure Vayne didn't want to die.

Yes, but he managed to complete his objective.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Yes, but he managed to complete his objective.

I don't think so. He wanted to rule over Ivalice as her Dynast King.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

I don't think so. He wanted to rule over Ivalice as her Dynast King.

Yes, but he wanted to do it with his own power, rather than getting appointed by the Occuria.

Of course, he lost and died but still, he managed to rid the world of Occuria's influence.

 

[theofficefan99]

I LOVED the last chapter, but I didn't like the ending. It just felt kind of stupid/lazy.

Also, who thought it was a good idea to use an in-game flashback during a CG cutscene? That was really awkward

 

[Ishida]

Ardyn is still the only villain who truly 100% accomplished what he set out to do.

Kefka destroyed the world, but his objective was to destroy all existence. He failed miserably.

Sephiroth also failed hard.

Ultimecia was in the process of Time Compression when she was defeated. She also failed.

Kuja was close, but he was defeated and all damage was undone.

Seymour failed to become one with Sin and was sent away. Failed.

Vayne managed to destroy the Occurria, so he succeeded in half of his plan. He failed to rule over the world with no gods.

Orphan and Bartendalus failed to crash Cocoon and kill all of its inhabitants.


Ardyn's plan was a lot more personal. He never wanted to destroy or conquer the world. He just wanted revenge. And he succeeded in everything. I think he's the only villain in the franchise whose plan succeeded just exactly as he planned it.

 

[Edge_Maverick]

Caius is the real winner.

 

[Alucrid]

Ardyn is still the only villain who truly 100% accomplished what he set out to do.

Kefka destroyed the world, but his objective was to destroy all existence. He failed miserably.

Sephiroth also failed hard.

Ultimecia was in the process of Time Compression when she was defeated. She also failed.

Kuja was close, but he was defeated and all damage was undone.

Seymour failed to become one with Sin and was sent away. Failed.

Vayne managed to destroy the Occurria, so he succeeded in half of his plan. He failed to rule over the world with no gods.

Orphan and Bartendalus failed to crash Cocoon and kill all of its inhabitants.


Ardyn's plan was a lot more personal. He never wanted to destroy or conquer the world. He just wanted revenge. And he succeeded in everything. I think he's the only villain in the franchise whose plan succeeded just exactly as he planned it.

not really. ardyn never got to feel gladiolus' butt

 

[DarkKyo]

Ardyn's plan was a lot more personal. He never wanted to destroy or conquer the world. He just wanted revenge. And he succeeded in everything. I think he's the only villain in the franchise whose plan succeeded just exactly as he planned it.

Doesn't this say more about the protagonists than it does Ardyn? Sure, Ardyn's plan went perfectly, but that's the problem.. Noctis and co just willingly went along with it and walked into every trap without so much as to question why Ardyn was being so helpful(earlier on) in certain spots and leading them to the objectives(later on) in other spots.

 

[Mediking]

Doesn't this say more about the protagonists than it does Ardyn? Sure, Ardyn's plan went perfectly, but that's the problem.. Noctis and co just willingly went along with it and walked into every trap without so much as to question why Ardyn was being so helpful(earlier on) in certain spots and leading them to the objectives(later on) in other spots.

No, the guys questioned Ardyn.... it's just bad writing.

 

[LordKasual]

Costlemark Sealed Dungeon...

That was my first ever actual game over. That 5-6 Iron Giant room is ridiculous.

 

[B-Dex]

The crestholm sealed dungeon boss was trash. Barney the dinosaur doing pirouettes nonstop.

 

[Ishida]

Doesn't this say more about the protagonists than it does Ardyn? Sure, Ardyn's plan went perfectly, but that's the problem.. Noctis and co just willingly went along with it and walked into every trap without so much as to question why Ardyn was being so helpful(earlier on) in certain spots and leading them to the objectives(later on) in other spots.

No, they questioned it. But they didn't have any other choice. The way to cleanse the world by using the Crystal's light needed the True King's sacrifice. Ardyn just made sure all the pieces fell into place. And he succeeded.

 

[Jennipeg]

Doesn't this say more about the protagonists than it does Ardyn? Sure, Ardyn's plan went perfectly, but that's the problem.. Noctis and co just willingly went along with it and walked into every trap without so much as to question why Ardyn was being so helpful(earlier on) in certain spots and leading them to the objectives(later on) in other spots.

Erm... What was Ardyn's plan? What did he succeed in? The credits are rolling and I have no idea.

 

[Mediking]

Doesn't this say more about the protagonists than it does Ardyn? Sure, Ardyn's plan went perfectly, but that's the problem.. Noctis and co just willingly went along with it and walked into every trap without so much as to question why Ardyn was being so helpful(earlier on) in certain spots and leading them to the objectives(later on) in other spots.

Noctis is/was doomed from the BEGINNING. Ever since he was born... he was DOOMED. Same goes for Luna.

 

[Ishida]

Erm... What was Ardyn's plan? What did he succeed in? The credits are rolling and I have no idea.

Destroying the Lucis Caelum line, vanishing the Crystal, spitting in the face of the gods and being able to die.

As a side effect, he also completely destroyed the 3 royal families of the world, leaving Lucis, Niflheim and Tenebrae completely decapitated.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Caius is the real winner.

In XIII-2 maybe, but I don't think Caius quite expected everything that happened to him afterward in LR. Ardyn, on the other hand, has a lasting victory in XV.

 

[HeartlessNobody213]

One hunt left and it's that stupid toad you can only fight when it rains.

Before this it was the Jabberwock in Costlemark which I hated having to do the stupid cube puzzle again. What's even worse is that since it's a hunt you can here the damn thing as soon you walk into the dungeon.

Same with the Quetzalcoatl in the grove although at least you don't have to do a shitty puzzle just to fight it.

Edit: Of course as soon as I post this it rains and I kill the toad. Finished all the hunts and now I just have the sealed dungeons left.

 

[Jennipeg]

Destroying the Lucis Caelum line, vanishing the Crystal, spitting in the face of the gods and being able to die.

As a side effect, he also completely destroyed the 3 royal families of the world, leaving Lucis, Niflheim and Tenebrae completely decapitated.

Was he ever a person, as in mortal? He mentioned healing people but then being turned away as a daemon. I get that he wants revenge for that, although why it's the Lucis' fault I don't know. Does anyone know why he can't die?

I don't remember vanishing the crystal either!

I swear I paid attention, I really did but I'm pretty lost.

 

[Ishida]

Was he ever a person, as in mortal? He mentioned healing people but then being turned away as a daemon. I get that he wants revenge for that, although why it's the Lucis' fault I don't know. Does anyone know why he can't die?

I don't remember vanishing the crystal either!

I swear I paid attention, I really did but I'm pretty lost.

Yes. Both Ardyn and Bahamut tell the story at the end of Chapter 13. Ardyn was a mortal, a healer who absorbed many Daemons inside his soul to spare millions of lives. However, as a side effect of absorbing the Daemons, he became immortal, completely unable to die.

Noctis' ancestor started a smearing campaign against Ardyn and they stole his right to the throne. Ardyn was rejected by the Crystal and the gods, and was denied the throne even after all the good he did.


Also remember, the entirety of the Crystal's light/power was absorbed into the Ring of the Lucii. And what happens at the end? The Crystal's power is spent and the ring shatters. No more Crystal.

 

[Brix]

Ardyn is still the only villain who truly 100% accomplished what he set out to do.

Kefka destroyed the world, but his objective was to destroy all existence. He failed miserably.

Sephiroth also failed hard.

Ultimecia was in the process of Time Compression when she was defeated. She also failed.

Kuja was close, but he was defeated and all damage was undone.

Seymour failed to become one with Sin and was sent away. Failed.

Vayne managed to destroy the Occurria, so he succeeded in half of his plan. He failed to rule over the world with no gods.

Orphan and Bartendalus failed to crash Cocoon and kill all of its inhabitants.


Ardyn's plan was a lot more personal. He never wanted to destroy or conquer the world. He just wanted revenge. And he succeeded in everything. I think he's the only villain in the franchise whose plan succeeded just exactly as he planned it.

good points.

 

[CLBridges]

One hunt left and it's that stupid toad you can only fight when it rains.

Before this it was the Jabberwock in Costlemark which I hated having to do the stupid cube puzzle again. What's even worse is that since it's a hunt you can here the damn thing as soon you walk into the dungeon.

Same with the Quetzalcoatl in the grove although at least you don't have to do a shitty puzzle just to fight it.

Damn, so you do have to redo the cube puzzle again for the Jabberwock hunt. Guess I'm gonna save that for last, don't feel like fighting 50 flans and 3 giants with a snake lady this soon after completing it.

 

[Jennipeg]

Yes. Both Ardyn and Bahamut tell the story at the end of Chapter 13. Ardyn was a mortal, a healer who absorbed many Daemons inside his soul to spare millions of lives. However, as a side effect of absorbing the Daemons, he became immortal, completely unable to die.

Noctis' ancestor started a smearing campaign against Ardyn and they stole his right to the throne. Ardyn was rejected by the Crystal and the gods, and was denied the throne even after all the good he did.


Also remember, the entirety of the Crystal's light/power was absorbed into the Ring of the Lucii. And what happens at the end? The Crystal's power is spent and the ring shatters. No more Crystal.

Thanks for the reply, it's really helpful. I've literally just finished and am trying to piece it together.

I know the problem I had with the Bahamut scene, the entire time I was thinking how bad the sound mixing was because Noctis' groaning and struggling was loader then Bahamut's talking. So I was trying to block it out and read the subtitles. I failed miserably

I assume the crystal didn't reject Ardyn based on the smearing campaign alone, there must have been something wrong about him even then?

 

[theofficefan99]

Can we discuss how the ring had so much build-up and it ended up being pretty much completely useless?

EDIT: Nevermind I totally forgot some things lol


it's disappointing gameplay-wise though

 

[Jake2by4]

Noctis is/was doomed from the BEGINNING. Ever since he was born... he was DOOMED. Same goes for Luna.

Yep he was dealt one of shitty hands in life for a FF protagonist.

 

[Ishida]

I assume the crystal didn't reject Ardyn based on the smearing campaign alone, there must have been something wrong about him even then?

Hard to tell, because we either believe Ardyn or Bahamut. And we both know they are kind of jerks.

Bahamut says that Ardyn was denied ascension because his soul had been tainted by the Daemons he absorbed. He was not pure enough.

Ardyn however, says that that Izunia (The guy who the Crystal chose to be King instead of him) started badmouthing him and "made a true monster out of him" in the minds of the masses.

 

[LordKasual]

Hard to tell, because we either believe Ardyn or Bahamut. And we both know they are kind of jerks.

Bahamut says that Ardyn was denied ascension because his soul had been tainted by the Daemons he absorbed. He was not pure enough.

Ardyn however, says that that Izunia (The guy who the Crystal chose to be King instead of him) started badmouthing him and "made a true monster out of him" in the minds of the masses.

I just assumed that both events happened. He absorbed the demons, the gods denied him, and then the usurper smeared him.

 

[Falk]

It would have been less depressing if we'd have seen other people at Noctis and Luna's wedding IMO (kinda FFIV and FFIX style except in the afterlife). Hell, a redeemed Ardyn could even have been there, kinda like how Garland is redeemed at the end of FF1.

Can you imagine a shaved Ardyn?

noctis goes to visit ardyn at the hospital to shake hands

 

[Mediking]

Yep he was dealt one of shitty hands in life for a FF protagonist.

Yup and that's exactly why I'm not so harsh on the story.....

 

[theofficefan99]

I couldn't get that sad over the ending because the writing was such ass the whole way through.

 

[Cheezeman3000]

I know the problem I had with the Bahamut scene, the entire time I was thinking how bad the sound mixing was because Noctis' groaning and struggling was loader then Bahamut's talking. So I was trying to block it out and read the subtitles. I failed miserably

You too? I think this was actually during Ardyn talking, but yeah I could not hear anything Ardyn was saying over Noctis' incredibly loud struggling sounds. And it was key story information!

 

[Ishida]

Noctis proving Accordo's First Secretary that he is fit to be a King.

 

[Dmax3901]

Quick question, do you need the related quest in order to access pitioss ruins or does it just have to be night?

 

[Lunafreya Nox Fleuret]

I couldn't get that sad over the ending because the writing was such ass the whole way through.

I really loved the ending despite things.

 

[Asd202]

I really loved the ending despite things.

Yeah it's good but like everything in the game it lacked build up. Noctis wakes up and you just go to Insomnia straight away.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Quick question, do you need the related quest in order to access pitioss ruins or does it just have to be night?

I heard somebody say they did it without the quest.

 

[Mediking]

Bahumut makes it clear that the whole situation is a suicide mission. Blood must be paid for all the demons to go away and daylight to reappear.

Noctis. Is/was. Doomed.

Luna. Is/was. Doomed.

You're playing as a guy with the only friends he has. Prompto, Ignis, and Gladio are ALL HE HAS. You're creating memories among heavy forces pushing you to your death.

Noctis fought with his destiny. He didn't wanna put on the Ring because he knew that would be accepting that his dad died and that he would be truly doomed.

The game hits you with all that stuff hard. Seriously. Play the game again but this time you know Noctis is doomed. He's not walking out alive. Neither is Luna.

I'm still emotional. I did NOT see this coming from all the marketing this game has done.

 

[vareon]

If you only take main quests, you really only travel with bros for a rather short time before the timeskip, so the entire ending felt nowhere near impactful. If you skip all sidequests, the game is about a prince having to travel with three really annoying people to his own wedding (and failed that, too).

 

[Mediking]

If you only take main quests, you really only travel with bros for a rather short time before the timeskip, so the entire ending felt nowhere near impactful. If you skip all sidequests, the game is about a prince having to travel with three really annoying people to his own wedding (and failed that, too).

So you're HONESTLY gonna tell me that you didn't feel sad when Prompto asks you to choose one photo from the album to take with you before you fight Ardyn and die????

You should've been scrolling through memories....

 

[theofficefan99]

Okay so does anyone else think Aranea is Bahamut, or a messenger of Bahamut or something?

Otherwise those close-ups of Bahamut's feminine eye don't make much sense.

I think it's plausible.

The fact that there's 24 "messengers" or something makes me feel like she might be an extension of him or something.

 

[jackdoe]

If you only take main quests, you really only travel with bros for a rather short time before the timeskip, so the entire ending felt nowhere near impactful. If you skip all sidequests, the game is about a prince having to travel with three really annoying people to his own wedding (and failed that, too).

Yeah, you pretty much miss out on 80% of character development if you did that. They probably should have implemented a mandatory requirement to complete x number of sidequests to proceed with the main story.

 

[Mediking]

Okay so does anyone else think Aranea is Bahamut, or a messenger of Bahamut or something?

Otherwise those close-ups of Bahamut's feminine eye don't make much sense.

I think it's plausible.

The fact that there's 24 "messengers" or something makes me feel like she might be an extension of him or something.

!!!!! Hahahaha I noticed that Bahumut had.... strong eyelashes too. But that's a guy. Lol

Aranea.... Cindy... Iris.... those three should've been at Hammerhead at the end. Now that was a missed opportunity!!!!

 

[theofficefan99]

!!!!! Hahahaha I noticed that Bahumut had.... strong eyelashes too. But that's a guy. Lol

Aranea.... Cindy... Iris.... those three should've been at Hammerhead at the end. Now that was a missed opportunity!!!!

I think the strategy guide states that Bahamut is genderless or something.

And I don't think it really matters. Umbra and Pryna are extensions of Shiva, and Umbra is male.

 

[Mediking]

I think the strategy guide states that Bahamut is genderless or something.

And I don't think it really matters. Umbra and Pryna are extensions of Shiva, and Umbra is male.

Gentiana turning into Shiva was total sex. Best Summon. Best reveal.

But... the dogs are a part of Gentiana??????

 

[DiipuSurotu]

So now there's a theory going around that evil Ardyn wasn't just defeated but erased from history, hence the repeat of the game's introduction during the ending: this time the bros are on their trip but things won't go bad for Insomnia and them.