Not yet but I suspect they'll be saving that for E3, along with an actual playable build at the event.
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Gametrailers interview: Kojima answers EVERY question on Metal Gear Solid V
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Not yet but I suspect they'll be saving that for E3, along with an actual playable build at the event.
PedroPanache
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Regardless of what you may think of his performance, it's an incredibly iconic role and performance. It shouldn't surprise anyone that people would be upset that Hayter has been replaced. Just in terms of consistency, it's a jarring change. Besides, the fact that he's been getting worse has been more down to Kojima's inability to write interesting stuff for Big Boss. He has this awful tendency to write Big Boss as being much stupider, much more dumber than his combat experience would suggest.
It's no surprise that Hayter was at his best in MGS1, because Kojima actually wrote to the character, rather than to the player/avatar; which has been a big problem in terms of writing ever since MGS3, almost as if Kojima couldn't shake off that style of writing since Raiden and MGS2. It worked brilliantly for MGS2, because Raiden essentially was the player. I always feel that whenever I play as Big Boss, that he's dumber than am I, which for someone who is the greatest solider of all time, is a problem.
I think it will be a full package for all consoles, but only when MGSV:TPP is released. Before then, Ground Zeroes will be sold on its own either as a downloadable title or a cheaper retail package. It's basically a paid demo of sorts, but with much more content than a "normal" demo. I've been saying this for some time now!
The only people who will end up buying "two games" for MGSV are those who can't wait for the finished product. I guess that will be... most of us. Lol.
matrix-cat
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Sure sounds like him. Ishmael is obviously Kiefer, but Big Boss sounds an awful lot like him, too.
VA sounds like Troy Baker to me, especially coming straight off Infinite.
As for this separation of the games, it is the only thing that makes sense given the conference. GZs being a prologue, you wouldn't have a tutorial at the start of TPP. Now my issue is just how and what GZs will be, and if it should have been included in that trailer if we have to buy it.
Ideally, it's on the disc, but is also a preorder bonus, available at least a month ahead of the real thing. We shall see.
As for this separation of the games, it is the only thing that makes sense given the conference. GZs being a prologue, you wouldn't have a tutorial at the start of TPP. Now my issue is just how and what GZs will be, and if it should have been included in that trailer if we have to buy it.
Ideally, it's on the disc, but is also a preorder bonus, available at least a month ahead of the real thing. We shall see.
Callibretto
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my feeling is that Ground Zeroes will not be long to beat, but the replayability will be way higher than normal mgs mission. it'll be good to demonstrate what 'open world' means in metal gear game.
Yep. Damn you Kojima.
One thing that does disappoint me about no Hayter, I loved the speech at the end of Peace Walker. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMilA34KGXw If you know the arc of Big Boss it's not really a spoiler.
Would be pretty cool to hear him play Big Boss if they ever redid the Metal Gear stories.
Graphics Horse
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The fact they showed off a full day night cycle on that map was interesting, because the way I'm picturing it, you'll never see daylight on Guantanemo in the mission. It could be they throw in some bonus modes which also take place on that map, but then again it could just be that they were showing off they have the tech to do that anyway.
He said you can choose when to do missions, presumably there are advantages to day versus night, maybe higher enemy counts and lower enemy visibility at night for more stealthy players, the opposite in the day for people who just want to kill everyone.
That's also what I've been saying. I predict that Ground Zeroes will be more like Peace Walker in terms of overall design where there are a lot of smaller generic optional missions, and stuff which is really easy to add more content for with a modular design. There will be a few big areas, and you can approach any mission with any sort of equipment setup you want or you can just explore around and fuck around.
It's basically going to be something to keep players busy while they finish up TPP, and then your save carries over.
Graphics Horse
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In the full game absolutely, but the intro sequence is directly tied to that mission opening, and even though they showed a daytime version of the intro, I don't see that being available except as an extra.
Oh I'm seeing it as something smaller than that, just the one map. Plus maybe some gameplay in the Mother Base attack but I'm not sure about that. One story mission and perhaps some bonus fucking around missions to unlock. I guess it depends on if this will be charged for, and if so, how much.
One thing that's obvios is Chico's cage is only on the bottom right of the map, Snake really doesn't have far to go to get there so presumably things will happen which make it necessary to travel around the rest of the base.
What intro sequence? The Chico thing? That could be shown at night, as we've seen it, but Snake could scale that rock face, and take on the mission at any point after that I would imagine.
It's the same engine, so design toolset-wise, it makes sense for them be able to do that, and to show it as they seemingly don't want to show the real meaty areas of MGS5 just yet, but if the day/night option actually has an impact in gameplay, I don't see why they'd hold it back from GZ.
I agree, I don't think you'll be able to approach the first story event in daylight simply because the opening for any game is scripted, even open world games. But based on the comments, it's also clear that this mission is not going to be the ONLY mission in Ground Zeroes. Kojima confirms that Ground Zeroes is also open world, and will offer many of the things TPP does, except on a slightly smaller scale.
Previously in an interview before TPP was unveiled, he also talked about Ground Zeroes in particular and mentioned how while it is an open world game, there will be loading between major zones which you travel to via helicopter. I believe he also confirmed that you will be able to walk around in Mother Base. So it's going to be a pretty substantial prologue imo.
Nah, sounds much larger than that.
Graphics Horse
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Yep but I'm taking that to mean that applies more to the Phantom Pain, which he couldn't talk about back then. Then again, he really seems to like talking about these separately, so I could be wrong.
It's a single camera shot for the whole intro all the way through to the gameplay.
UnblessedSoul
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Kojima is trying to make his game into a movie, this can either be a great change or a terrible mistake, RIP Hayter
I think Phantom pain is for current gen, and ground zeroes is next gen, if they are two seperate games
I think Phantom pain is for current gen, and ground zeroes is next gen, if they are two seperate games
As it stands, yes, but the exact cutscene shot was shown in daylight, so I don't think it will be.
I don't think so. Even way back then, he was pretty candid about it. He said that Ground Zeroes is the prequel to MGS5. He had no reason to say that if he was trying to hide everything completely. Based on his comments, I think it's fair to think that Ground Zeroes is a full featured title, just a smaller one. It's not going to be one map and one mission.
Did you see the actual presentation? That wasn't to show that the scene can take place in the day, it was to show how the scene still looks relatively good even with a total lighting change. There were a lot of flaws in the daytime scene which indicate it's designed to be at night and in the rain - mainly how the characters looked and the wet surface on all their clothing.
I think that's a logical stance based on what's been shown and discussed about GZs, but I think it clashes with the realities of production and marketing. The project you're describing would presumably have a very substantial development cost, more than many full priced games no doubt. And the two games releasing close to each other would cannibalize the market, so I'd either think GZ is very small, or they're not releasing close to each other, and given MGS5 is PS360, it's shipping in the next year.
I did watch it, yeah, but I didn't listen to it. I guess that makes sense.
Chittagong
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So did I get this right. Ground Zeroes is set after Phantom Pain. Phantom Pain begins with a tutorial that teaches the basics of the game. Ground Zeroes is released first despite being set later, and will act as a tutorial despite Phantom Pain having a tutorial. Also Phantom Pain and Ground Zeroes are separate games, but footage of Ground Zeroes is promonently featured in the Phantom Pain trailer.
Sounds pretty clear to me.
Sounds pretty clear to me.
Graphics Horse
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No they specifically say GZ is set 9 years earlier.
Yeah it's perhaps a bad word to choose, there aren't many games which will so laboriously teach you how to crawl by pushing forwards(?) for 5 minutes. Well maybe MGS1 before the tank hanger...
No. You got it wrong.
Ground Zeroes is set right after Peace Walker ends, and 9 years before The Phantom Pain starts. The Phantom Pain starts with a "tutorial" in the hospital which is more of a gimmicky Kojima style simulation of how a person would feel after waking up from a coma (so you start crawling, and then you slowly regain the ability to walk).
Ground Zeroes is a product which will be released before The Phantom Pain, and serves as a prologue and teaser. It is smaller than The Phantom Pain, but more familiar to fans (because it's set right after Peace Walker), and introduces the open world mechanics of MGSV.
Your gut makes no sense. Sorry!
Thats how it looks like, except if Kojima made the first part of the game a free demo, but I dont think the chances for that are high.
No, this has been shot down multiple times. Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain are both for the PS3 and 360. This has been confirmed by Konami and Kojima multiple times. They will probably both be cross-gen, especially since I think it's likely Ground Zeroes will be included with The Phantom Pain anyway, when the full Metal Gear Solid V game ships.
Ah ok. Sorry, haven't kept too close to all things MGSV.
Graphics Horse
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I'm not to sure about that part, perhaps a download code so used copies will have to get it separately. argh what am I thinking.
Callibretto
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why do people say this, everything we've seen so far from MGSV is the total opposite of trying to be movie, saying it's open world, you can drive cars around, summon helicopter, decide what time of day to carry out your mission etc, this is probably the most open ended game Kojima ever make
Callibretto
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I think it's the same as GT 5 prologue and final GT 5, all GT5 content like cars and tracks end up in the final GT5 anyway. they're not throwing all those away.
Graphics Horse
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I believe the key is in how Kojima envisions the game. He says MGSV = Prologue + Main Game. GZ = Prologue. TPP = Main Game. The full product is called "MGSV: TPP", like "MGS3:SE". So while TPP refers to the main part of the MGSV experience, I believe as long as the product is called MGSV, it will include both GZ and TPP.
Callibretto
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and depends on how long the gap between release I think, if it's just around 3 months max, I can see Ground Zero omitted from MGSV. if it's longer, I think they'll just include GZ content to MGSV
I'm not sure what's their strategy.
Maybe Ground Zero is some kind of prologue like the tanker mission in MGS2 or the virtuoso mission in MGS3. Maybe it lasts 3-5 hours instead of 1-2 hours and so they want to distribute it separately before the actual MGSV: Phantom Pain game is released.
Still I'd prefer to see both included in a single game for next gen consoles and that's what I'm looking forward to play.
Hopefully Kojima doesn't mess up....
Maybe Ground Zero is some kind of prologue like the tanker mission in MGS2 or the virtuoso mission in MGS3. Maybe it lasts 3-5 hours instead of 1-2 hours and so they want to distribute it separately before the actual MGSV: Phantom Pain game is released.
Still I'd prefer to see both included in a single game for next gen consoles and that's what I'm looking forward to play.
Hopefully Kojima doesn't mess up....
Hmm, I guess my only real concern now is how long Ground Zeros will be. I'll be extremely pissed if it's only a 4 hour game.
I can see Phantom Pain being the usual 9 hours plus, since he says its a long game. And if this really IS his last MGS this time, I wonder if its final act is going to be a time jump of 10 yrs an be an open world map of Outter Heaven? I have a feeling we'll at least see or play in Outter Heaven (either finished or while under construction).
Hopefully Kojipro LA can get started on a new Snatcher and Policenaughts. Would love to see updates from those games using nearby Hollywood assets.
I can see Phantom Pain being the usual 9 hours plus, since he says its a long game. And if this really IS his last MGS this time, I wonder if its final act is going to be a time jump of 10 yrs an be an open world map of Outter Heaven? I have a feeling we'll at least see or play in Outter Heaven (either finished or while under construction).
Hopefully Kojipro LA can get started on a new Snatcher and Policenaughts. Would love to see updates from those games using nearby Hollywood assets.
crimzonflame
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MGS4 answered every question and tied up all the loose end in the MGS series, why is this new game being called MGS5?
What does one thing have to do with the other? MGS3 didn't address MGS2's questions, does that mean it shouldn't have been MGS3?
This is relevant to the discussion: http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/27/metal_gear_solid_ground_zeroes_interview_kojima_talks_open_worlds/
So I guess the question here is, how many people believe that he's talking about all of Ground Zeroes. If the first stage shown in the demo was the prologue (first mission) of a prologue (all of Ground Zeroes), then it could be a pretty substantial product on its own.
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Yes, I agree with this. But I also believe that Ground Zeroes is coming out this year, and MGSV:TPP is coming out later next year.
So I guess the question here is, how many people believe that he's talking about all of Ground Zeroes. If the first stage shown in the demo was the prologue (first mission) of a prologue (all of Ground Zeroes), then it could be a pretty substantial product on its own.
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Yes, I agree with this. But I also believe that Ground Zeroes is coming out this year, and MGSV:TPP is coming out later next year.
Box of Bunnies
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My personal threshold is probably 30-40 bucks for Ground Zeroes released by Fall this year, with maybe 5+ hours of main story gameplay, and enough content and optional fun stuff to mess around with it as much as I want beyond that.
If the deal is worse than that, I'll seriously have to consider how loyal a MGS fanboy I am.
Takamura-San
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So happy that hayter is confirmed to be out.