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George Lucas Making Changes to Star Wars Saga... Again

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Kagari

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Katie Lucas isn't that great either. She wrote some episodes of the Clone Wars TV show and they weren't anything special.
 
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xxxstylzxxx

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Dear Lord, George has truly lost it.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt with the visual alterations/additions for the sake of scope and continuity. Hell I even liked the damned CGI band in Jabba's Palace in ROJ. I could even look past the unnecessary Greedo debacle(more of a visual blemish than anything, I really could care less about who shot first). But this.....this is just bad.....very very bad. This has to be one big internet troll/hoax, it just has to be.
 
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Spotless Mind

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I never thought Lucas could top the Han shoots first fiasco, but that Vader addition is probably the most awful yet.

If the original cuts were released in a cleaned up form, i honestly wouldn't give a shit what he did.
 
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antonz

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The new krayt sound I know I have heard somewhere before. Think from some cartoon. But it came from a person and not a dragon etc
 
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antonz

Member
Neuromancer said:
I'm glad I still have the original not shitted up episodes 4-6 on DVD. They look kind of ugly but I don't care.
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Thats the sad thing with these new ones. Outside of the sabers crossing in the throne room they didnt fix alot of the flaws. They took the time to add stupid Nooo but they couldnt even fix all the visual flaws known for 30+ years
 
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Snaku

Banned
antonz said:
Thats the sad thing with these new ones. Outside of the sabers crossing in the throne room they didnt fix alot of the flaws. They took the time to add stupid Nooo but they couldnt even fix all the visual flaws known for 30+ years
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For a fucking 1080p Blu-ray release too. I mean this shit is more noticeable than ever, even by the non-obsessive casual viewers. I almost think George intentionally left these visual fuck ups in to make the pristine prequels that he himself made look better.
 
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MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
jett said:
Does he know who the 20 year-old douche next to Obi-Wan is? :p
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As much as he knows who the random old dude next to Obi-Wan is. The Hayden ghost is an acceptable change. I had hoped the RotJ "No" would finally educate some people as to what a true shitty change is.
 
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Big One

Banned
MattKeil said:
As much as he knows who the random old dude next to Obi-Wan is. The Hayden ghost is an acceptable change.
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Aside from the fact that Hayden is the worst actor in the entire franchise, and the sequence makes absolutely no logical sense...there is simply no such thing as an acceptable change replacing the prints of the original.
 
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Warm Machine

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Big One said:
Aside from the fact that Hayden is the worst actor in the entire franchise, and the sequence makes absolutely no logical sense...there is simply no such thing as an acceptable change replacing the prints of the original.
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I don't think Hayden is a bad actor by any stretch. He actually did a pretty good job getting those lines out. You stare into the mirror and try reciting those same lines and try to come close to his performance. Good actors like Natalie Portman, Ewan, and Liam Neeson couldn't not look wooden in places. 90% of the time the acting is what the director relates to the actor to get the shot. Lucas isn't focused on the performers or even the camera as much as he cares about the technical process of making the movie.
 
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Anth0ny

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MattKeil said:
As much as he knows who the random old dude next to Obi-Wan is. The Hayden ghost is an acceptable change.
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Maybe I'm way off, but I always thought only Luke saw the ghosts. They were in his head.

He saw Vader without the mask, and the ghost that appeared was what he envisioned Anakin to look like. Basically, the guy behind the mask, except with hair and in a jedi garb. Definitely not Hayden.

I mean, if they really appeared, wouldn't Leia have been all like "oh shit, why are there ghosts right there".

But I guess with Lucas' changes... they really did appear? And Hayden was how he looked before he went to the dark side? So he showed up like that as a ghost? ugh.


And yeah I don't understand why Hayden gets shit on so much. From the prequels, you'd think Natalie Portman was a horrible actress too. Not even Sir Laurence Olivier could read that shitty dialogue.
 
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Big One

Banned
Warm Machine said:
I don't think Hayden is a bad actor by any stretch. He actually did a pretty good job getting those lines out. You stare into the mirror and try reciting those same lines and try to come close to his performance. Good actors like Natalie Portman, Ewan, and Liam Neeson couldn't not look wooden in places. 90% of the time the acting is what the director relates to the actor to get the shot. Lucas isn't focused on the performers or even the camera as much as he cares about the technical process of making the movie.
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Completely disagree with that. I have yet to see a good performance from Hayden. Every character he plays is essentially the same pretty much.

Those actors have churned out great performances, in comparison. They were just under bad direction.

Even with all the cheese, however, those three actors had the gall to at least be majorly dull. Rather than being downright offensive in their roles, they were just boring. I pretty much cringed everytime Hayden said anything in the prequels.
 
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BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Anth0ny said:
Maybe I'm way off, but I always thought only Luke saw the ghosts. They were in his head.

He saw Vader without the mask, and the ghost that appeared was what he envisioned Anakin to look like. Basically, the guy behind the mask, except with hair and in a jedi garb. Definitely not Hayden.

I mean, if they really appeared, wouldn't Leia have been all like "oh shit, why are there ghosts right there".

But I guess with Lucas' changes... they really did appear? And Hayden was how he looked before he went to the dark side? So he showed up like that as a ghost? ugh.


And yeah I don't understand why Hayden gets shit on so much. From the prequels, you'd think Natalie Portman was a horrible actress too. Not even Sir Laurence Olivier could read that shitty dialogue.
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Just to play devil's nerdvocate... don't you think Luke googled a picture of daddy in his prime? I think he knew what Anakin looked like as a Clone Wars hero, and might have wanted to visualize him that way. It could still be culled from Luke's psyche.
 
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ryutaro's mama

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Big One said:
Completely disagree with that. I have yet to see a good performance from Hayden. Every character he plays is essentially the same pretty much.

Those actors have churned out great performances, in comparison. They were just under bad direction.

Even with all the cheese, however, those three actors had the gall to at least be majorly dull. Rather than being downright offensive in their roles, they were just boring. I pretty much cringed everytime Hayden said anything in the prequels.
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No way man.

In Jumper, he was Oscar worthy.
 
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Zen

Banned
The new Ewok eyes actually work really well and don't look out of place in the scene, the rest though, ugh.

I must have been the only one that didn't mind puppet Yoda in Episode I? He seemed to fit in the scenes much more naturally than the new CGI replacement (lighting is off).
 
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antonz

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Lucas's explanation for Hayden is Anakin "died" when he became Vader. so You see Anakin as he was. So basically Obi-Wan, Yoda etc get fucked because they lived a good life.
 
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jaxword

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Anth0ny said:
Maybe I'm way off, but I always thought only Luke saw the ghosts. They were in his head.

He saw Vader without the mask, and the ghost that appeared was what he envisioned Anakin to look like. Basically, the guy behind the mask, except with hair and in a jedi garb. Definitely not Hayden.

I mean, if they really appeared, wouldn't Leia have been all like "oh shit, why are there ghosts right there".

But I guess with Lucas' changes... they really did appear? And Hayden was how he looked before he went to the dark side? So he showed up like that as a ghost? ugh.
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Leia remembered her mother despite Padme dying 10 seconds after giving birth to her.

Force memory, same with Luke.
 
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Big One

Banned
jaxword said:
Leia remembered her mother despite Padme dying 10 seconds after giving birth to her.

Force memory, same with Luke.
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Neither of the babies ever saw their father, just their mother.
 
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RaidenZR

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Hoo boy...

George Lucas Speaks Out Against Altering Films in 1988

George Lucas said:
My name is George Lucas. I am a writer, director, and producer of motion pictures and Chairman of the Board of Lucasfilm Ltd., a multi-faceted entertainment corporation.

I am not here today as a writer-director, or as a producer, or as the chairman of a corporation. I’ve come as a citizen of what I believe to be a great society that is in need of a moral anchor to help define and protect its intellectual and cultural heritage. It is not being protected.

The destruction of our film heritage, which is the focus of concern today, is only the tip of the iceberg. American law does not protect our painters, sculptors, recording artists, authors, or filmmakers from having their lifework distorted, and their reputation ruined. If something is not done now to clearly state the moral rights of artists, current and future technologies will alter, mutilate, and destroy for future generations the subtle human truths and highest human feeling that talented individuals within our society have created.

A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as “when life begins” or “when it should be appropriately terminated,” but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.

These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with “fresher faces,” or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor’s lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new “original” negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.

There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste.

I accuse the companies and groups, who say that American law is sufficient, of misleading the Congress and the People for their own economic self-interest.

I accuse the corporations, who oppose the moral rights of the artist, of being dishonest and insensitive to American cultural heritage and of being interested only in their quarterly bottom line, and not in the long-term interest of the Nation.

The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests. And the proof of that is that even a copyright law only permits the creators and their estate a limited amount of time to enjoy the economic fruits of that work.

There are those who say American law is sufficient. That’s an outrage! It’s not sufficient! If it were sufficient, why would I be here? Why would John Houston have been so studiously ignored when he protested the colorization of “The Maltese Falcon?” Why are films cut up and butchered?

Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.

I hope you have the courage to lead America in acknowledging the importance of American art to the human race, and accord the proper protection for the creators of that art–as it is accorded them in much of the rest of the world communities.
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What happened to this man?
 
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mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
Big One said:
Completely disagree with that. I have yet to see a good performance from Hayden. Every character he plays is essentially the same pretty much.

Those actors have churned out great performances, in comparison. They were just under bad direction.

Even with all the cheese, however, those three actors had the gall to at least be majorly dull. Rather than being downright offensive in their roles, they were just boring. I pretty much cringed everytime Hayden said anything in the prequels.
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That's just your reaction to the emotion and feelings of confliction that resonated in his voice.
 
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Vega

Member
Lucus isn't going to stop messing with the Original trilogy until all six movies are equally shit. : /



Thank fuck he doesn't have complete control over the Indy trilogy.
 
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Zombie James

Banned
People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society.
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In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.
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GEORGE.
 
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jambo

Member
Mindlog said:
Died in a money bath.
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polyh3dron

Banned
Anth0ny said:
via george's daughter's twitter, she didn't say this, but she retweeted it.

@KRLgrrl There is a special place in Hell for haters next to the one for child molesters and people who talk obnoxiously in the theatre
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so she's a fucking idiot like her father.
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child molesters huh... her dad molested my childhood, wonder if that counts.
 
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Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Perhaps this can all be explained by George being something of an internet grandad. When old people try to understand what those youtubes mean, he saw all the hits and favourites on the original Darth Vader 'NOOOOOOOOOOO' clips and figured "wow, everyone loves that Noooo! bit, maybe I should add it to ROTJ... they'll love that too!!"

Because George has surrounded himself with sycophants, nobody even dared tell him this is not how internet memes work...
 
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mrklaw

MrArseFace
manabyte tweeted this article which I found interesting http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html

Seems like they could fairly easily redo an original restoration either from the original negative or even Lucas' private Technicolor print (!).

If you think Lucas is an artisan who genuinely believes his work is art, then that might be unlikely. But if you think he is a greedy, money grabbing whore, then there is hope as it wouldn't cost much to restore, and surely there are millions of nerd dollars to be grabbed?
 
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B_Rik_Schitthaus

Banned
mrklaw said:
If you think Lucas is an artisan who genuinely believes his work is art, then that might be unlikely. But if you think he is a greedy, money grabbing whore, then there is hope as it wouldn't cost much to restore, and surely there are millions of nerd dollars to be grabbed?
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They'll wait till just before the next format realise of the SE (3D,4K) before they put out the Originals on BR.
 
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DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
I know this is going to sell billions, but with this happening now while Facebook/Twitter are at their highest it will be interesting to see if this whole sorry mess actually gets the point made finally.

It seems like straw/camel for a lot of people, and if nothing else it might make the point that there's yet more money to be made from the restored original versions.

Realistically though there will just be more of it for the 3D versions though, until Lucas has complete his ultimate mission of making all 6 films of uniform quality.
 
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B_Rik_Schitthaus

Banned
DECK'ARD said:
Realistically though there will just be more of it for the 3D versions though, until Lucas has complete his ultimate mission of making all 6 films of uniform quality.
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I'm surprised he has left most of the masks/puppets intact.
Thou to layer CG versions for everyone of those would cost an ass load.
 
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Cheerilee

Member
RaidenZR said:
Hoo boy...

George Lucas Speaks Out Against Altering Films in 1988


What happened to this man?
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I think I finally get it.

Films are being destroyed and we're content to let it happen. Lucas wanted to stop it, but he didn't have the power. We're the only ones with that kind of power. He wanted to wake us up. He wanted to open our eyes. He wanted to teach us. So he took up the mantle of a super villain.

He's destroying Star Wars because he wants to save the world, and the risk to Star Wars is a relatively small price to pay for that. He desperately wants to be stopped. He's showing us as much pure evil as he can muster, bearing in mind that it's actually painful for him to act like this.

Unfortunately, even knowing this, we're powerless to change the law and arrest Lucas. His plan is doomed to fail.
 
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megashock5

Member
Hero_of_the_Day_1985 said:
Maybe this has already been said, but anyone intested in the dvd's, they can be found on amazon used for less then ten bucks each. You get the best versions of the originals, and lucas gets no more money from it, win win.
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I wish.

"28 New and Used from $68.99"

Unfotunately, it looks like I've missed that train.
 
ReBurn

ReBurn

Gold Member
DECK'ARD said:
I know this is going to sell billions, but with this happening now while Facebook/Twitter are at their highest it will be interesting to see if this whole sorry mess actually gets the point made finally.

It seems like straw/camel for a lot of people, and if nothing else it might make the point that there's yet more money to be made from the restored original versions.

Realistically though there will just be more of it for the 3D versions though, until Lucas has complete his ultimate mission of making all 6 films of uniform quality.
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I read that as "unicorn" and it still made sense.
 
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