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Just watched Spartan Ops. They really need better writers for the main storyline or something. Halos storyline is always part wow and part wtf.
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Halo 5: Guardians revealed - more at E3 - Fall 2015 [Box Art person is new guy]
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I cannot see MS ever dictating that 343 must put ADS into Halo. It's just something completely foreign to the series and would alienate the fanbase, they know this.
Oh that's a load of bullshit. Perks and loadouts are not what makes CoD.
CoD is defined by twitch shooting and almost instant kill times.
Halo is a completely different beast, it's a somewhat slow and methodical shooter where the person who initiates the firefight isn't guaranteed to win 95% of the time.
Halo 4 had the basic Halo gameplay nailed down. It just had a bunch of pointless fluff as well.
What I don't get is some Halo fans are hyped for Destiny, which has ADS and Halo 1-3 gunplay, but if Halo 5 has ADS you're done with the series?
What? Also who is to say that not aiming with ADS isn't as efficient as aiming from the hip with the same general accuracy? Basically, aiming from the hip = all close and mid quarters combat, using ADS gets you whacked. Long range combat? Use ADS.
Shit, ADS would be better than using the magnify eye and not seeing your surroundings whatsoever.
In single player. Multiplayer is just as reflex based as any other shooter. Sure, movement speed is slower, but that doesn't deprioritize one's aiming and reflexes. No scoping with any sniping weapon you need fast reflexes, twisting around and throwing a grenade perfectly asks for great reflexes and speed.
What? Also who is to say that not aiming with ADS isn't as efficient as aiming from the hip with the same general accuracy? Basically, aiming from the hip = all close and mid quarters combat, using ADS gets you whacked. Long range combat? Use ADS.
Shit, ADS would be better than using the magnify eye and not seeing your surroundings whatsoever.
In single player. Multiplayer is just as reflex based as any other shooter. Sure, movement speed is slower, but that doesn't deprioritize one's aiming and reflexes. No scoping with any sniping weapon you need fast reflexes, twisting around and throwing a grenade perfectly asks for great reflexes and speed.
Hopefully they've done that so this TV show they're making isn't a complete CF
Please, PLEASE no ADS. That would be such an awful step for a series that has strayed SO MUCH in trying to chase the nonexistent COD magic.
The past few Halo releases have just been shoveling more and more useless garbage ontop of what used to be a GREAT competitive multiplayer shooter. I'd like them to step back and reevaluate the entire thing for once.
The past few Halo releases have just been shoveling more and more useless garbage ontop of what used to be a GREAT competitive multiplayer shooter. I'd like them to step back and reevaluate the entire thing for once.
Happy-Bunny
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New guy will be a girl... codename: justinbailey
It isn't chasing CoD magic, its ditching a aiming system that's existed since 2001.
ARMA has ADS for christ sakes, is that series chasing CoD magic?
Freeza Under The Shower
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oh, we're doing the subtitle thing now
well I'm out.
well I'm out.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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ADS wouldn't even work with the amount of health you have in Halo. If they went ADS lower health or not, ADS in general, well then, that seriously warrants being really really angry.
Regardless, I don't believe at all that it will happen. It's truly not a Halo game anymore after that. The devs aren't that stupid.
Regardless, I don't believe at all that it will happen. It's truly not a Halo game anymore after that. The devs aren't that stupid.
Stannis Baratheon
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That's it, I'm getting an Xbox One.
nah
nah
Twilight Gap
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First game had a subtitle. Halo 5 is actually Halo 10, so subtitles help.
Existed and worked since 2001. Putting it in now - especially after perks, killstreaks, instant respawn and kill cams - wouldn't exactly be a coincidence.
Joke? If not, weird reason to to be out. At least it still has the number in the title.
Mario should've never gotten punches in Mario 64, fuck that shit I say, that shit ain't Mario.
Lol welp hopefully some crazy shit happens for Fracas' sake.
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kittens
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He's just regurgitating obviously false rumors so we can all laugh at them. Go easy on him, make it a two year ban.
ADS in Halo would be like a Mario game that requires you to run at full speed or your jumps are 1/4 of the normal height.
SeventhSon
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Halo: Combat Evolved
Wait what? This is that fake pastebin from last year. I thought my previous post made that clear. It was a joke, albeit a poorly explained one.
What if they took those things out and added in ADS.
Also, people usually love to put all of that shit on 343's head, but Reach was the starting point for more "modernization" in Halo. Classes, class abilities, weapon layouts, sprinting, Bungie started it, 343 continued it.
What if weapon recoil in ADS mode is weighty and bobbly? What if there was very little lock on and high accuracy? What if your controller sensitivity doesn't change the speed of ADS?
Assuming ADS being added into Halo as some sort of dooms day scenario for Halo is easy. Its more interesting to think about what can be done differently with ADS.
CreateNowSleepLater
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Agree with the bold. I get it, people were so cut in the ass over H4 they figured Bungie would be their "next" Halo. Bungie has gone out of its way to make Destiny anything buy Halo so it makes no sense to give them praise for something they have not even released yet. The more of Destiny I see the more I think I will hate it.
Adding ADS to say the BR means its not the BR anymore. You can't drastically change the mechanics like that and have it be the same weapon. 343 isn't stupid, there isn't any reason to add ADS. I think they (and hopefully MS) have learned they are not getting the CoD crowd. Just be Halo and everything will be fine.
Doug Heffernan
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Perhaps Master Chief has gone rogue and the new guy is sent to take him down?
I never said it wasn't reflex based, it obviously is. I'm saying that the game plays completely differently to CoD. Loadouts and perks don't make it a Sci-fi CoD clone.
This is exactly what a new gen Halo should be doing, but I doubt MS would be that ballsy to give the green light on what would inevitably be a much larger project than another scripted linear game.
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kittens
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How does Destiny have Halo 1-3 gunplay?
CreateNowSleepLater
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Reach was the Destiny beta to me. I don't believe Bungie really cared much about Halo anymore at that point. It also to me marks when they started to get this superiority tone about them. Remember, they didn't want to make Halo anymore. That's why they left.
Common speculation, though since the Chief is the hero, he probably ain't a bad guy. The comics imply the Chief has gone missing.
Some people sure seem to have imagine it would have that because Bungie.
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kittens
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What's the closest thing the non ADS aiming and firing can be compared to?
What Destiny seems to lack are improvements made with that gunplay and the enemy AI looking dull.
fatcatbebe
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looks amazing. i wanna see a collectors edition.
That seems to be the most consistent theory. I think Chief is a broken man now that Cortana is gone and he's losing his mind.
I can't believe people are actually arguing for ADS in this thread...
Changing the aiming system for an FPS completely changes the gameplay. Adding the ability to punch in Mario does not.
SeventhSon
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Halo has gone renegade like Bond in License to Kill.
That could be cool.
That could be cool.
Twilight Gap
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Fool that follows and all that. Reach could at least be excused as a spinoff. The things I mentioned (including a control scheme named fishstick) were not in Reach. The CoD influence was never very subtle.
Sure, we can try to think of ways to make it function differently, but the real question is why? Why does Halo need ADS? I can understand that if there's going to be larger game modes, they'd want to extend the ranges of the autos somewhat; however, outside of that, it still seems unnecessary considering that the weapons most players would use at range already have functioning scopes.
Four_Chamber
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The king is back
E3 is coming baby
E3 is coming baby
TheLostBigBoss
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Just so everyone can stop freaking out, it's a fake from last year.
Look at the posted date.
Yes, that design really suits a female spartan better.
Even a Forbes contributor thought we're having a female main character in a Halo series which would have been exciting to see when this
artwork was first revealed.
TheLostBigBoss
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SeventhSon
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Why would cyborg commando warriors with a HUD tied into their neural pathways need ADS?
SicSemperTyrannis
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Does not compute >.<
It matters how its implemented. If it only drastically changes long range combat? Great, I'm tired of Robocop vision. If it completely ruins close and mid ranged combat? They fucked up.
To change up long range combat mainly, which has always felt not nearly as good as close range or mid range combat.
So they know the latest films and TV have been released with smartglass bonus content!
How did they ever heal themselves with med kits? Do they take off their armor in a method that's faster than light? Do they use absorbent heal pads? Do they pop pills?
Huge Succeeded
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blows my damn mind how people don't see how negatively ads would effect halo balance and the sandbox and how foreign an experience halo 5 with ads would be
be glad these people ain't making games. ads ain't something you just drop into a game willy nilly.
what's your implementation suggestion to enable the former without causing the latter
i can dig it but i can't envision it
be glad these people ain't making games. ads ain't something you just drop into a game willy nilly.
what's your implementation suggestion to enable the former without causing the latter
i can dig it but i can't envision it
StalkerUKCG
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You're looking at it the wrong way.
CoD is huge, The design choices made for Halo 4 multiplayer clearly try too ape features that 343i assumed correctly or not made people enjoy the CoD experience. Instant Respawn, Killstreaks, On screen text popups etc.
Early in Halo 4's prerelease people were incredibly worried it would detract from the experience they like and also not do a good enough job of aping Call of Duty to keep a new player base. Low and behold that is what happened. Big time Halo fans shunned the game and CoD kids dropped it quickly.
The game was essentially dead a few months after launch.
The CoD crowd is fickle you can't just "win" them over. Halo was big because it was relatively unique. You start removing that and it feels like one of those awful "Halo Killers" that enter the market and phase out in a week like Section 8.
ADS is something that fans passionately don't want and if 343i are not going for them they are going for the casual (for lack of a better word) fans and that will bring in sales in the millions but it wont retain them.
Core fans felt like they got the short end of the stick with H4 and they don't want that with Halo 5.
It doesn't matter what game ADS started in, CoD because of it's impact is now the de facto ADS game
It's a bacta-like substance (at least, the Optican stuff is). It heals very fast as a concession to gameplay.
Gotta love toxic comments like this.
As a big Halo fan, I wouldn't mind ADS if done respectfully. I'm not arguing the chances of that happening, what I'm saying is it is possible for ADS to be added in and not ruin what Halo does. Now, if Halo straight up has CoD ADS added in with no consideration or thought about its design, that would be terrible.
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