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Hermen Hulst: "Live service games will come day and date on PS5 and PC"
bitbydeath
Member
Without hardware all you have is mind games.
ProtoByte
Member
That way of thinking about it got shut down on the internet when the first started these ports. I wonder if that's the full story.
Anyway, it's not going to work that way long term. PC players will wait, and I think he knows this. I think this is just a medium term way to scrape some extra money off the top.
I think they should just phase out the practice entirely by the time PS6 approaches the market.
Anyway, it's not going to work that way long term. PC players will wait, and I think he knows this. I think this is just a medium term way to scrape some extra money off the top.
Well, if they think they can launch a PC store of their own, especially after that Helldivers 2 debacle, they're sorely mistaken.
True, but it would be even worse if they put their SP games on there day one.
I think they should just phase out the practice entirely by the time PS6 approaches the market.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
PC players will just wait......
GHG
Gold Member
Welcome to 2022.
www.neogaf.com
And for what it's worth, they first outlined this in an earnings call in 2021.
Hermen Hulst - PlayStation GAAS releasing day-one on PC, SP games at least one year after console release
There is is, just as i've been saying. They know what they are doing.
And for what it's worth, they first outlined this in an earnings call in 2021.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Nvidia is 'no longer a graphics company' | Digital Trends
Nvidia is an AI company more than it's a graphics company, and apparently that was an intentional shift from within the company.
www.digitaltrends.com
No, he left you. Come to where you are loved.
demigod
Member
Fixed
Alphagear
Member
Nonsense.
With Hardware sales comes PS Plus subscriptions, 100% revenue from 1st party games and 30% from 3rd party.
You reckon they will sacrifice that just for PC sales which they lose 30% to Steam.
Please.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
This is literally the same strategy they have for half a decade but okay.Soon
Hermen Hulst: "PS5 games will come day and date on PC"
feynoob
Gold Member
That doesnt mean we wont get anything. Once they tasted that power, its impossible for them to stop it.Nvidia is 'no longer a graphics company' | Digital Trends
Nvidia is an AI company more than it's a graphics company, and apparently that was an intentional shift from within the company.
No, he left you. Come to where you are loved.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Yep they said PlayStation would also start putting their games day 1 on ps plus
No, Sony does not intend to follow Microsoft’s disastrous business decisions
GHG
Gold Member
Just have a read through the thread I posted above. It's the same guys on their knees, still begging and wishing over a year and a half later.
Still they wait.
Look at this gem as an example:
It's all so painfully transparent. At the same time, back then these were the people telling us the Xbox strategy is the superior one from a business perspective. If that was the case then why not seek to maintain that edge?
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saintjules
Member
What tools did you dig that out with?
feynoob
Gold Member
It was thanks to this.
Remember when Insomniac said Spider-Man "will never appear on PC"? Twitter sure does
Phrases like "permanent PS4 exclusive" haven't aged well
You can find this one too from there.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Hermann Hulst is to PS what Mattrick is to Xbox, book it
PC players don't have to pay for PlayStation Plus. Also, the more consumers Sony drives to other platforms such as PC the smaller the consumer base they have to generate add on sales from those same consumers. These are the two most profitable product lines for PlayStation and are also the ones seeing growth. Also, sequels to existing tentpole franchises such as Horizon Forbidden West and Spider Man 2 are selling slower or less in total relative to their 1st instalments (please correct me if I'm wrong). On top of that PS5 has sold less WW than PS4 at the same point in time although I know there are various factors involved in this sales trajectory. I still believe these changes are a strategy looking at short term profit at the expense of the long term standing of the business. You only have to look at Xbox versus Nintendo right now.
ProtoByte
Member
Hardware will only lose relevance when the manufacturers themselves undermine it.
The truth is that the hardware manufacturers are where a shit ton of money is made, and eroding that erodes a whole pipeline. Walled gardens and exclusivity are a healthy and sustainable thing for this industry. That is, if you want the industry to be mostly recognizable to what it has been for the last 20 years.
However, Sony should, at some point, just reorient to the Nintendo route of pure isolationism. Playing chicken with PC gamers is a waste of effort beyond the short term, very minute cash flow, and they do not need to replicate anything Microsoft did to any extent.
feynoob
Gold Member
The 2 year gap is the most funniest thing so far.
Like why? 2 year isnt that long and you are giving PC players the best version, since the PC ports will have the complete version.
Now that I think of it, 2 year gap isnt that bad. Complete version with all dlc is icing on the cake.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
PS Plus subscriptions will be on mobile and PC in less than 10 years.
Angry_Megalodon
Gold Member
Not a single soul is gonna pay for any service on mobile. The F2P is too consolidated for that to work.
Hero of Spielberg
Gold Member
It’s a nice idea but I’m not sure how many PC players will be ‘enticed’ to buy a PS5 for sequels that will eventually come to pc anyway
Unknown Soldier
Member
What's funny is seeing all the green rats in here celebrating this news because they think Daddy MS has somehow undermined Sony
Varteras
Gold Member
I'm a PC player. I bought a PS5 specifically to play big games I don't want to wait for as soon as they come out. I still can't play Demon's Souls or GT7 on PC. I wanted to play FF7:Rebirth ASAP. Same with GTA 6. Their strategy is aimed precisely at people like me who refuse to wait.
demigod
Member
Sure worked out for GFWL.
GudOlRub
Member
I do wonder how many people are actually persuaded to throw 500$ on a console after playing a game vs how many more copies Sony'd sell if they sold the game on PC at launch as well and took advantage of the marketing hype for both console and PC together.
Anecdotal, but my friends who do not own a PS5 are quite comfortable waiting a few years for a PC release.
The only game that I believe might change some of their minds is GTA 6 but even then I'm not sure.
Anecdotal, but my friends who do not own a PS5 are quite comfortable waiting a few years for a PC release.
The only game that I believe might change some of their minds is GTA 6 but even then I'm not sure.
Topher
Gold Member
Same here. I don't like waiting for Sony first party games so I buy the console. Honestly that why I've been in favor of first party PS games on PC day one, but I also get why they think that's a bad idea.
feynoob
Gold Member
No wonder you keep docking those yoga practices.
Hero of Spielberg
Gold Member
It’s funny, I’ve got a PS5 but I’m still holding out for GT7 on PC. Although that’s probably more due to it being easier to use my wheel at my desk instead of the living room.
Also probably because the insane cost of PS games now in AUS. GT7 30% off is still $80+ here
Topher
Gold Member
The sequels angle doesn't make a lot of sense when so many sequels are also ported to PC.
tmlDan
Member
I think they have the right strategy at this time, live service games are made for PC. Single player games don't do very well in general on PC unless they're in the vein of what's big on PC (Strategy, survival, co-op). Narrative focused single player games do just okay on PC even if they launch on it, and some do horribly. They're better off selling it later and getting 100% of the revenue on PS while launching live service games day one, what PC thrives on.
What are the biggest games on PC? all live service by a large mile, or online in some capacity.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
PlayStation isn't GFWL.
Self_Destructive
Member
You DO realize that games take time to make, right? And that the games in development back then... are still in development today right? You DO realize that any shift in strategy will take years to materialize, right? They aren't going to announce "day and date" until they are in a position to reliably co-develop and release their games simultaneously. That means that their SP studios will need to hire, and integrate more developers to handle PC development alongside the console game. You DO know that it takes time right? Naughty Dog handled the port of TLOU P1 in house. Sony Bend did the Days Gone port in house. Nixxes is helping other studios integrate PC development into their pipeline.. developing PC versions of their engines to make the process easier in the future.Welcome to 2022.
Hermen Hulst - PlayStation GAAS releasing day-one on PC, SP games at least one year after console release
There is is, just as i've been saying. They know what they are doing.
And for what it's worth, they first outlined this in an earnings call in 2021.
When the Live Service games take the risk and pressure off of the AAA studios, and Sony has fully dedicated PC development teams integrated into their core studios... they will be ready to announce the shift in strategy.
Hero of Spielberg
Gold Member
Yeah, I can get the zeitgeist angle but not the sequels so much. Perhaps its language suggesting they might test new franchises day 1 on pc but not on sequels? idk
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Just have a read through the thread I posted above. It's the same guys on their knees, still begging and wishing over a year and a half later.
Still they wait.
Look at this gem as an example:
It's all so painfully transparent. At the same time, back then these were the people telling us the Xbox strategy is the superior one from a business perspective. If that was the case then why not seek to maintain that edge?
Yep
Same guys claiming GamePass is the future, that it’s profitable, that Sony can’t compete unless they do day 1 on ps plus.
These guys are clueless and have no idea what they’re talking about.
Sony has been very transparent about their pc strategy; what Hermen is saying is nothing new - he said the same thing years ago. It hasn’t changed
We can look at Microsoft’s day 1 pc strategy to know it’s horrible for your platform, which is why Sony won’t go near it.
These clowns also think all pc gamers are the same master race high end pc rig elitists that would never buy a console which is total rubbish. Many of them may start on PC and decide a console is right for them.
demigod
Member
And that’s why they’re not stupid to push psn subs on PC.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Yep and Horizon:Forbidden West base game will come to PC shortly before Horizon: The Thickening comes out. Maybe if we are lucky the DLC might come but it's likely they will leave it PS5 exclusive.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
PSN subs are for multiplayer and legacy games right?
We're already day and date for multiplayer. Multiplayer is already PlayStations primory source of revenue/profit.
Yeah, it's happening.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Day one GAAS games is understandable, but day one single player games is a terrible for Sony especially if they want to continue to sell consoles. Day one exclusives really hurt Xbox hardware sales, so I don’t see it really working out for Sony either because there would literally by no reasons to procure a PS5.
phant0m
Member
Sony is gonna spend the next decade trying to re-create that Helldivers 2 spark
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Along with the other types of games that they create. Sure.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
What Sony realized is that the majority of their players aren't really choosing between console and PC. They're choosing between consoles. Grabbing that PC audience would grow the brand immensely. It's only a matter of time. Look at all their slides, they're obsessed with "expanding to other platforms" and rightfully so.
Vroadstar
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According to the grizzled prospector with suspenders, clutching a rusty pickaxe, apparently there's a goldmine from the past
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