gunslikewhoa
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Gee, I don't know. What's their resale value?
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I find it hard to accept the idea of paying for online multiplayer on consoles
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Gee, I don't know. What's their resale value?
petran79
Banned
It also support free cloud saves, while on PSN you need to have a + subscriptipn.
Very expensive to have few MB of save games on your PSN online account for free...
You're not bothered the previously excellent PS+ has went to shit because it's required for online play?
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I cant help you if you think of it to be denying logic then.
Reselling has got nothing to do with online in the first place so i have no idea why it was bring up.
Thats the thing. PS3 and Vita can have free online play, what makes PS4 so special here?
Ragnar Blackmane
Member
I am getting my money's worth in free PS3 and PS4 games that are worth far more than the €40 I pay a year, as well as plus member PSN discounts that save me at least half that amount (likely the full amount for people that buy much on PSN), so the ability to play online is just a bonus. Miles above what Microsoft did for most of the lifetime of the 360 (where you literally paid only to be able to play online and some convinience features).
Yakuza 5 and Siren: Blood Curse alone were worth the money this year, especially because the latter is extremely hard/expensive to get in Germany. And then you add in games like Furi, RE Remake and Rebel Galaxy. And if I ever buy a cheap Vita in a few years I will already have a huge ass library for it. Heck, I even re-subbed despite being in Japan and not being able to use my consoles for almost nine months.
Yakuza 5 and Siren: Blood Curse alone were worth the money this year, especially because the latter is extremely hard/expensive to get in Germany. And then you add in games like Furi, RE Remake and Rebel Galaxy. And if I ever buy a cheap Vita in a few years I will already have a huge ass library for it. Heck, I even re-subbed despite being in Japan and not being able to use my consoles for almost nine months.
theshape31
Member
I grew up strictly playing consoles, and this is one of the main reasons why I moved on to PC gaming years ago and haven't looked back. If you don't agree with it, don't support it. Vote with your $.
Subjective
This is disingenuous.
Multilayer on pc is free until you desire to support other people even when you aren't playing.
The only thong consoles got right is offering a unified communications platform long before Steam got it right.
I'm glad Nintendo doesn't charge because the typical costs of hosting can be covered in the box sale easily.
If nintendo changes their mind i hope they actually offer features that isn't consistently done on pc.
I would love if old games got lifetime multi-player support even through hardware revisions.
I would love it if the fee went to making more accessible dev tools so players can make various mods.
Features like that would go a long way in making paying for multi-player acceptable.
odhiex
Member
That's really subjective and hard to find the connection between the two.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Then vote with your wallet I guess. I'd like to fire up a few rounds of Uncharted 4, but I'm not going to support Sony's needless charging for multiplayer. I kept Plus for the games until the quality of those dropped, and I won't go back.
I don't particularly care about the games with gold except maybe a few decent choices but I've mostly played the ones I want and on Xbox One, it's renting so I'm just collecting or finding an odd gem.
It's their platforms and they can do want they want as they have no competition on the platform, dedicated servers is a step in the right direction, cloud saving too. I get Steam does all this for free in most cases, you can argue dedicated servers are game dependent like consoles, although you can play on free servers, someone is paying for them. Console platforms are still 100% taking the piss with ads, opt in would be fair and proper customisation of screen space. They need to invest in the community more, mods etc. with that extra income.
I still argue Microsoft particularly would see much greater success if they scrap online play from gold and make Xbox more appealing. Hoping one day they'll make that announcement at E3, come on Scorpio double mic drop.
It's clear Microsoft and Sony see value in online play, not games with gold/PS+ games. I've said for years, held hostage because that's what gamers actually want access to. They know it.
It's their platforms and they can do want they want as they have no competition on the platform, dedicated servers is a step in the right direction, cloud saving too. I get Steam does all this for free in most cases, you can argue dedicated servers are game dependent like consoles, although you can play on free servers, someone is paying for them. Console platforms are still 100% taking the piss with ads, opt in would be fair and proper customisation of screen space. They need to invest in the community more, mods etc. with that extra income.
I still argue Microsoft particularly would see much greater success if they scrap online play from gold and make Xbox more appealing. Hoping one day they'll make that announcement at E3, come on Scorpio double mic drop.
It's clear Microsoft and Sony see value in online play, not games with gold/PS+ games. I've said for years, held hostage because that's what gamers actually want access to. They know it.
Rellik
Member
Then make that a separate service like EA Access. It shouldn't be tied to the ability to play online.
test_account
XP-39C²
All the games that are included arent dogshit, hardly any of them are. Maybe you're not interested in them though.
Just wondering, how are you reselling those?
StereoVsn
Member
To be fair if we are talking about dedicated servers Steam won't pay for that. Otherwise Steamworld is a fantastic proposition and a big reason everyone is going to Steam. I think Origin offers similar services but not 100% sure.
Personally since I have PS3, Vita and a PS4, plus I take advantage of PS+ discounts, overall the $40/year I normally pay for PS+ is worth it even without MP. There is usually something I check out once a month and discounts easily cover my yearly spend anyway.
I do think that MP should be provided as a part of basic service li.e things like Steamworks framework should be free. PS+ should include enhancements like Dedicated Servers and such. However since MP being locked beside the paywall is an accepted standard at this point, I don't see it changing.
test_account
XP-39C²
Its nothing special. Well, PS4 has more users now, but its there to make money, a business opportunity, hardly anything else.
hooijdonk17
Member
How about you just pay me a starbucks coffee a month for me posting here?
Sounds absurd doesn't it.
That's what it sounds like to me when I hear you pay for multiplayer.
As I've gotten older, I find that I have more money and much less free time. I'm willing to pay a landscaper since it frees up time. I'm willing to pay a housekeeper since it frees up time. Money buys convenience and time.
I do not want to spend the limited time I have for gaming on configuring settings to get games to work. I just want to pop in a game and play. And if that means I have to pay $30-40 a year to do so, then I'm happy to pay it.
I do not want to spend the limited time I have for gaming on configuring settings to get games to work. I just want to pop in a game and play. And if that means I have to pay $30-40 a year to do so, then I'm happy to pay it.
Your Entertainer
Member
It's not defensible.
family_guy
Member
I feel like PS+ was great until they added in online gaming to the package. Since then the service felt more like a requirement rather than a benefit. I said it when MS charged for their service, but holding your online only games hostage like that doesn't feel right to me all. I'm going to stop buying them and probably let my subscription expire. Honestly I wouldn't mind just paying $10 for an online pass for the games I cared about like last gen.
hooijdonk17
Member
I guess some people just want to waste their time with day one patches for physical copy console games and XBOX Live/PSN's terrible download speeds, which combined basically render all console gaming advantages moot. And I respect that. But let's not spread bullshit about PC gaming.
ThomasAnderson
Member
Best case scenario. Hopefully it happens
Edit: GWG and PS Plus rarely have anything I enjoy. Only games I've put significant time into were olli olli, furi, gone home, NBA 2k16, and resogun. Everything else was meh imo
With "paid" online multiplayer it's also coming out of somebody's else pocket. You are not paying the devs that actually run dedicated servers.
Daria Morgendorffer
Member
This is honestly what's keeping me away from XBOX/PS, but I really don't feel like I'm missing anything because of it, I'll just find other games to play on pc and Nintendo systems.
AtomicShroom
Member
IMO the business model is broken. I refuse to pay to just play online of out principle. So they're not getting my money for that, but then they're missing out on tons of money they would probably get from all the multiplayer content I would buy if the act of playing it was free. And I'm sure I'm not the only one in that situation. I'm sure they'd make tons more money of whales paying for online content than a standard user base paying a fixed monthly fee.
Online multiplayer is more ubiquitous than it ever was, where even single player games keep adding more and more multiplayer components to them.
They really should be looking at the mobile market and how "free" games are the ones bringing in the most cash. They should offer online multiplayer for free but find other ways to subsidize it. Hell, I'd be willing to sit through ads if it meant I could play online for free.
Online multiplayer is more ubiquitous than it ever was, where even single player games keep adding more and more multiplayer components to them.
They really should be looking at the mobile market and how "free" games are the ones bringing in the most cash. They should offer online multiplayer for free but find other ways to subsidize it. Hell, I'd be willing to sit through ads if it meant I could play online for free.
I guess I wrote that wrong. Are you arguing that gaming on a PC is just as easy and troublefree as gaming on a console?
Wow I had no idea P2P was so widespread on console, that's pretty disgusting. I really only play Bloodborne and Rocket League online; if I had not signed up for GWG and PS+ mainly for the free games, I would be feeling pretty ripped off.
family_guy
Member
It's probably not subjective that the total dollar value for a year of games on PS+ went down since PS4 came out and Sony started charging for online play.
Yes. Yes, it is. load steam ,click on a game. Play. This is not difficult.
hooijdonk17
Member
I'm saying that the 'configuring games to run on PC takes ages' notion is a relic of the 90s. These days, your GPU drivers update themselves almost seamlessly and 'configuring' a game takes at most a couple of minutes as you go through a couple of detail presets and pick what gives you a good framerate. More than this, it's your own enthusiast fun of fine tuning a game to your system, but it's not a necessity and everyone who does this has fun with it.
XBL and Steam offer Cloud Saving for free, only PSN asks money for it.
I have a PS4 and I'd say I actually had a easier and more trouble free experience in my PC.
How good are your posts?
We pay for content (some people still buy newspapers and magazines/aka posts lol), Patreon and Twitch subs, etc. I've never had a problem paying for something I use and want to support. If my measly $4 supports (albeit marginally) the infrastructure I play on daily, again I feel it's worth it because I derive a great deal of value and enjoyment from it.
All that said I hate paying tolls when driving and I hate paying to park my car
I guess I'm just coming from a place where I've had a hell of a time playing games from GOG on my PC.
On a side note, it's so nice to see how helpful and condescension-free PC gamers are in these threads.
I think Sony's output and quality of games has increased since last gen. Barely anyone bought PS+ last gen but due to MP requirement they have lot more coming in which allows them to get better content, support more niche games like Yakuza and even better sales. If all we had to do was sacrifice free MP then I am A-OK with that.
LordRaptor
Member
You're paying shareholders in dividends, and you're paying to employ people in unsuccessful divisions of the parent corporation to stay unsuccessful.
Online behind a paywall actually hurts the people actually making content, because it automatically adds a barrier to entry of people who might otherwise buy their game.
They receive no compensation for making the games that make people want to play online in the first place.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
How good are your posts?
We pay for content (some people still buy newspapers and magazines/aka posts lol), Patreon and Twitch subs, etc. I've never had a problem paying for something I use and want to support. If my measly $4 supports (albeit marginally) the infrastructure I play on daily, again I feel it's worth it because I derive a great deal of value and enjoyment from it.
All that said I hate paying tolls when driving and I hate paying to park my car
Did you really just compare a multi billion dollar company to content creators relying on crowdfunding?
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Cool that you dont want to configure setting to get games to work i guess. I seldom do that when i play games on Steam now as well.
What does this has to do with online subscription for console though? Those subscription helps auto config your game setting?
For one, you don't need to configure settings to get games to work. This doesn't really happen in 2016. And you have stuff like NVIDIA has that does the optimal configuration for you.
For other, the 30$-40$ you pay have no influence on that whatsoever. And Don't and Microsoft let shitty ports with terrible performance and game breaking bugs on their systems all the time.
He asked if I would pay him for posting. I explained, that if there is a value in something (whatever that may be, and obviously different strokes for different folks) that it may be worth exchanging $ for. Large company or individual aside.
John Wick
Member
Good luck with multiple discs and then selling them on to a non existent 2nd hand market
There's zero relations between paying for multiplayer and Sony taking more risks. Absolutely zero.
Polioliolio
Member
Yeah I looooathe it.
The fact that they charge you for online play, but in the same package, give you a bunch of bonus games you don't want, along with cloud saves, whatever. Just make the play free.
The fact that they charge you for online play, but in the same package, give you a bunch of bonus games you don't want, along with cloud saves, whatever. Just make the play free.
That's your opinion I'm enjoying Stories at the moment so I disagree.