Someone really needs to do a "Switch will be doomed" chalkboard.
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Jefferies Equity Analyst: Mario Kart 8D a "mega-hit on a different scale altogether"
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Or they want Nintendo to be doomed so they can play Nintendo games without buying a Nintendo system.. for reasons that go from lack of power on Nintendo consoles to the maturity thing you mentioned.
Except that competition is vital to any industry and ....well, SEGA show us that a First party going 3rd isn't that wonderful for new and exciting games
I think you are kidding yourself of think most people who bought MK8 don't have a system with access to the games you listed there. Someone interested in Persona 5 or JRPGs likely owns a PS3/PS4. And P5 being on Switch wouldn't change the fact that the persona would get the game on either system anyway.
Also none of the games listed are a substitute for Mario Kartb- so the influence they would have on MK would be limited even if they were all also on Switch.
I guess this will be the to go excuse for upcoming Switch titles that perform well.
CJY
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Wtf?
That excuse has been used for years. If a Nintendo game sells bad, it's because the console bombed and it's a "duh!". If a games sells exceptionally well, it's because Nintendo fans are starved for games. These people always have these replies ready. They just can't take positive Nintendo news. They feel threatened by Nintendo's success or they get salty and/or angry when Nintendo finds success.
Seems like the perfect storm for Nintendo.
But too early to draw conclusions, we need to see what happens once the dust has settled, I'n 12- 18 months.
That said I've been tempted to buy a switch for Mario kart, since i skipped wiiU. But will resist, we all know a hardware revision will be released sooneror later or better pricing.
And also what happens when online goes behind a paywall
But too early to draw conclusions, we need to see what happens once the dust has settled, I'n 12- 18 months.
That said I've been tempted to buy a switch for Mario kart, since i skipped wiiU. But will resist, we all know a hardware revision will be released sooneror later or better pricing.
And also what happens when online goes behind a paywall
ElectricBlanketFire
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...where did I say it was perfect?
I've pretty much railed on Nintendo's decisions for the past 3 years, including some with the Switch.
Game is ridiculously good-looking. Along with Zelda, the Switch is already home to some of the most artistically beautiful games ever. Really looking forward to ARMS continuing that trend with its Overwatch-esque aesthetic.
Road of Ease
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Sammy Samusu
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Y'all can say whatever you want.
The fact remains: Zelda, Mario and Switch are breaking records.
Word.
The fact remains: Zelda, Mario and Switch are breaking records.
Word.
Only a matter of time before Sonic is in Mario Kart.
This is just delaying Nintendos inievitable doom for about 5 years.
Well Sony tried cloning both Smash bros/Mario cart and failed hard lol
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Sony tried a pratically low budget Smash clone and sold more than SF5.
The rest, kart racing, party fighters, "zelda" both 3d and 2d, metroidvanias, 3D and 2d platformer (no, knack is too much combat focused) and other stuff is pratically nintendo and indies these days
Was there much hype over those games at Wii U launch? All I really remember about launch window western multiplats was talk of performance deficiencies vs 360/PS3, missing dlc, using last year's build and launching against full collections on other systems. The only two bright spots seemed to be NFSMW and Trine 2, both unique cases where the developers actually put in the effort to take advantage of the platform. And one bombed while the other was an indie game.
Those games won't highlight their strength in hardware power. Realistic graphics and more mature games are where their audiences are at right now. A kart racer without a popular character from their past like Crash won't do well for Sony, and MS aren't into old Rare mascots right now. They'd rather focus on racing Sims, which do very well for them anyway.
I'd even take a 'Deluxe' Remaster of SASRT on current consoles. Throw in some extra content (Atlus characters?), beef up the resolution/framerate and call it a day.
It's really funny. Nintendo's success brings a lot of salt to GAF
Yo know what would highlight strenght in hardware power ?
A new Blast Corps. Gta with destructible enviroments. But microsoft hates RARE properties so whatever =P
edit : but it works for every other big company. Capcom is leaving money on the table by not getting behind the smash public on microsoft and sony consoles for example
Mass Appeal
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I wouldn't really call it a chore. One of my friends or me create a room and it will automatically show up under friends option in the online menu and we all join or they join me if I create it. We never have had problems joining each other or vice versa. Yah there were some com errors the first day while racing but I figured with launch it was gonna happen as no launch for any online goes smooth but since then it's been buttery smooth online with no lag which is the most impressive thing especially in 200cc.
Now if we want to talk system wide features like having no party chat client built into the Switch OS like the ps4 and xb1 have then yah the online infastructure is very disappointing. We all knew that before MK8D launched so its not really a knock against the game but rather the Switch OS. Nintendo said their online service is not going to go up until the fall and a trial version coming with Splatoon 2 I assume.
Honestly, MKD8 plays amazing for it being 60fps online with everything going on. Never have I noticed lag playing with friends online or with 11 other people in online multiplayer.
ElectricBlanketFire
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I think it would be better for everyone if we stop worrying so much about "salt," "eating crow," "b-b-b but GAF said X but Y happened!"
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Bookmarking this so I can shame you in the future when people don't stop.
InfiniteCombo
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Yea, why can't the Switch just be successful and everyone be cool about it? Everyone deserves to play Mario Kart 8... Game is fucking dope.
But some Nintendo fans are very sensitive and insecure. There aren't really that many salty people... If you look at the first couple of pages of this thread (really, any NeoGAF thread of this nature), there's really only one or two truly salty people, one or two more expressing healthy skepticism, and the remaining 90% of posters being Nintendo fans overreacting defensively and complaining about "salt," when in reality they're all replying to the same one or two dudes. Situation is borderline comical...
NFS was missing the DLC too.
As pathetic as the Wii U SKU sales were not one release was on par with the other SKUs.
semiconscious
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RoadHazard
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Maybe not? MK8D is basically the optimal multiplayer MK they could do on their current hardware, so what would the point really be? There's a reason every console only gets one MK, one Smash, etc.
I want them to do a Mario Kart Adventure next. Think DKR, but set in the Mushroom Kingdom. They've never had any really meaty SP content in MK (especially not lately - MK8 basically has nothing), I think it's about time. MK8D can coexist with it as the MP-focused entry.
Little Monser
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lol GAF never change
Neff
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They're still the top dogs of the industry, at least in terms of iconography, going the distance, and harvesting raw, filthy profit. That can sting a bit if you're cheerleading Xbox or PlayStation alone (and I pity anyone who does). For a certain kind of gamer raised in the post-PlayStation climate and receptive to marketing pushing 'games for adults', they might wonder why Nintendo is still hanging around with their colourful, childish recycled games and gimmicky, underpowered, toy-like hardware rather than bowing out for a worthier successor to take the throne, or even wishing for Nintendo's failure in the hardware market leading to third party participation on more established hardware. As a 40+ gamer, I'm old enough to remember a time when the same demographics queueing up for CoD today did the same for Nes, Game Boy, and Super Mario Bros 3 decades ago. The games are still the same, but gamers themselves have changed quite a bit.
Nintendo hate is a different thing from MS or Sony hate. Those individuals tend to subscribe to a tribalistic rivalry, a petty 'if you're not with me you're against me' antagonism we see everywhere, every day. Nintendo hate goes a bit beyond that, since it's largely perceived to be a different market, even a niche one, but some gamers really, really have it in for Nintendo nonetheless, often for a bunch of reasons. It's a shame.
one's hype, & one's reality. which is which? we report. you decide...
The reality is that Mario Kart as a franchise is very popular. GAF still underestimate the franchise after 8 games (and one enhanced port) lol.
thebisonxrc
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My goodness. Why can't I enter one Switch-related thread and not find it devolved into a bunch of off-topic nonsense?
Anyway, there does seem to be a lot of interest in MK8D. I've been playing it on the bus this past week and have noticed that people are watching my Switch a lot more than when I would play Zelda. Also, friends of mine who do not own the Switch have asked me about it. People are definitely curious and keen to see it.
I never expected the game to bomb - it's Mario Kart, after all - but I will admit that I didn't expect it to be the fastest-selling game in franchise history. I think it's safe to say that it'll sell well for a while yet.
Anyway, there does seem to be a lot of interest in MK8D. I've been playing it on the bus this past week and have noticed that people are watching my Switch a lot more than when I would play Zelda. Also, friends of mine who do not own the Switch have asked me about it. People are definitely curious and keen to see it.
I never expected the game to bomb - it's Mario Kart, after all - but I will admit that I didn't expect it to be the fastest-selling game in franchise history. I think it's safe to say that it'll sell well for a while yet.
Skittzo0413
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I haven't caught up with the rest of the thread but this basically echoes my sentiments perfectly. I already own 8 games for this console (though I regret buying Mr. Shifty a little bit) and this month alone I'm planning to buy 2 more (Thumper and NBA Playgrounds) and Bomberman too at some point...
I can't remember the last time I've owned 10 games in under 3 months for a console. I'm swimming in games here.
How times have changed 🤔
😭😭😭😭😂😂😂😂
Lord Frieza
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It's probably the most pure fun I have had with a game in a long time, well deserved
Principate
Saint Titanfall
How times have changed 🤔
Ok the third slayed me due how odd it was when it happened, but yeah I don't expect the number of threads that tend to devolve into pure nonsense to decrease anytime soon.
How times have changed 🤔
I miss this format
should start with
kitchenmotors
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Little Monser;235917016 said:
It really is quite depressing how shit the Switch threads become because of shitty posters.
But I'm not opposed to more Wii U ports. It would be criminal for some of those games to not be given a wider audience.
MatrixMan.EXE
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I see more persecution complex posts in here than actual salty posts. Every console/videogame company has haters. It isn't a phenomenon unique to Nintendo. You derail the topic more with drive-by "Nintendooomed!" or "LOL Nintendo haters are so upset" posts than the supposed salty gaffers.
As I said in my post earlier, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe sold well because it's a Mario Kart game and the best one ever released at that. No doubt the lack of competing software helped as it does with any software launch, but in the end it would have been successful regardless.
As I said in my post earlier, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe sold well because it's a Mario Kart game and the best one ever released at that. No doubt the lack of competing software helped as it does with any software launch, but in the end it would have been successful regardless.
My bad. This is what I meant to say:
Less silly?
Yes the it prints money era begins again
geordiemp
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I was poking fun at the nature of investors (exaggerated buy and sell motives for money).
My comment was on the share trading, I made no comment on the game sales or console sales as in my view its too early to extrapolate anything..
So I have no idea what you are going on about,
Well of course you won't find any in this thread. You can find them in other threads. Most common I've seen is the Switch won't sell well since all announced games are ports
Funny that people are saying the success is not so impressive (Mario Kart always sells well and Nintendo hardware always sells to Nintendo fans) when we literally just had the news that this MK launch is bigger than any before (on consoles with multiple times the current Switch install base).
I'm just happy the best Mario Kart is now on a platform that is actually desirable for the general audience.
I'm just happy the best Mario Kart is now on a platform that is actually desirable for the general audience.
Astral Dog
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likely because Mario Kart is very popular.you should have thought about these comments a bit. 😆
MatrixMan.EXE
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Okay but again, every system has it's haters. Xbox gets shit here regularly, probably more than Nintendo in fact. There's literally a whole thread that's regularly linked on this forum where people were proclaiming the PS4 pointless and Sony doomed before this generation started, and even then you still had multiple posts where people would make up excuses as to why the PS4 was doing so well, albeit those are minimal now.
Both sides just need to calm down a little bit. Nintendo fans need to stop being so uptight when people make negative comments about the Switch, and Nintendo "haters" are just going to have to deal with the fact that Nintendo has another success on their hands. Switch threads are becoming insufferable.
It will die down, relax. I'm enjoying the shit out of my Switch. Why would I let a random poster on GAF who I don't know ruin that with a comment that ultimately means nothing. Gotta stop being so sensitive to any and all criticism. Just because the system is a success it doesn't make it free from criticism. I've seen plenty of instances of people making valid complaints and getting dog piled by Nintendo fans. It works both ways.
Lionel Richie
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This isn't a "both sides" situation. You have fans enjoying their console and games and being slightly hyperbolic about it, like it happens for anything ever that fans enjoy, and you have people shitposting like mad men about it because Nintendo ran over their dogs or they caught Reggie wearing their moms bathrobe.
This (40+ gamer here as well)
I'll just add that I find it relatively easy to understand why the hate is so peculiar in Nintendo's case: barring a couple of exclusives here and there, Sony and MS are basically sharing the exact same lineup due to targeting the same demographic.
So it would just sound plain weird to see a person loving Sony criticizing with the same harsh a MS supporter and viceversa. Nintendo is so objectively distinct from both in terms of its offering that it probably explains why some of the most childish/insecure people might feel the need to bash them night and day, heck maybe silently hoping for them to finally go out of business.
Pathetic, but hey, I guess that's what real life is actually about.
And by the way, nowadays, hironically, I think I could say that I've "grown up" from being a Sony/MS supporter (really liked them some 20 years ago). But I've never ever wished them going bankrupt since Nintendo become my favourite VG company, simply because I truly believe a market with real competition is a healthy one.
evil monkey
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You gotta admit though that Nintendo brings a lot more of this forum's dark side than the other two.
Oh, and 'Nintendooomed!' is never not relevant when it comes to success stories such as this one. It's a decades long running gag that's always welcome.
Honestly you're just being willfully ignorant if you think that having an almost complete lack of competition for major titles on the Switch didn't help the launch sales of Mario Kart 8.
I'm not saying Mario Kart 8 Deluxe would ever have sold poorly. It's an excellent game and would of sold very well no matter when it was released or how much competition it had. Most gamers don't have an unlimited budget to buy games. If there were more major titles on the Switch some Switch owners would of bought those titles instead and may of delayed buying Mario Kart or decided to skip it all together.