He was bordering on Nazism in his comments. He is a massive YouTuber with over 3 million subscribers. Not just some random guy. It's worth talking about.
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JonTron (youtuber) speaks against demographic "invasion" of America by nonwhites
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A lot of us are old. Maybe you're just out of touch?
The Last Wizard
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Hopefully he gets shat on like they did pewdiepie.
That's not even an unfair characterization of what he said/clarified in the exchange. I was up super late following the conversation on the stream (unrelated caffeine excess), and it was almost confusing how indefensibly horrible his points were. And I'd disagree with anyone saying he just presented his points poorly. He presented them fine, they were just manifestly horrible points and counterpoints.
HazySaiyan
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It's the whole thing. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.
Poor GRIMES
Banned
This "random youtuber" has millions of subscribers and probably even more that watch his stuff. They should know what kind of person they're supporting. Not to mention the impressionable preteens/teens that probably follow him.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Ol boy's been around for a while with millions of followers and subscribers
You mean someone with over 3 million subs that a lot of people know??
And_Gignac
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"Random things".
Yeeeeeah. I don't see what's "random" about fascist propaganda.
Maybe your age ain't the problem.
if anything some of the summaries are too generous. it's not just that "America is gonna become Mexico" but that mexican immigrants are coming to america with the explicit purpose of making america into mexico, despite the fact that they left mexico to come to america in the first place, and the primary driver of that is because they get better handouts in america.
yeah. ok.
Lol. Probably often.
UziTheBeast
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Yes I am serious. I have family in India and I'm honestly surprised people outside of India thinking India is very multicultural. Or perhaps our definition of multicultural is different?
Perhaps the quantity of different cultures is big but the diversity is not that big. We have Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs but they are quite similar. The difference between a Mexican and Nigerian is bigger than between a Hindu and a Sikh.
You have lots of tiny subcultures but that's what you can expect 1+ billion country. The majority is like 80% Hindus.
BTW Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims are all respresented in Bollywood. India also has tamils but they have their own "Bollywood". The bigger problem with Bollywood is the women being displayed as objects, but that's a whole different story.
DAREALGUMMY
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I'm glad someone got it.
I never watched Game Grumps but I always had this idea Jontron was the level headed one.
HazySaiyan
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He's not some 'random guy', he's a person with millions of subscribers that gets millions of views per video spouting racist and white nationalist rhetoric. That's not nothing.
And you decided to add to those replies because...?
Probably because Sky is the kind of earnest person who truly believes in the concept of hearing out "both sides" of the argument but is pretty unable to articulate a proper response for himself, and he figured Sargon was "smart" because he has a way with articulation.
Needless to say his appearance on Sargon's stream was like watching death of innocence in action. He already has a hard time defending himself in videos where he hangs out with Dunkey.
jim2point0
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Yeah... I can't listen anymore.
I really wish I never learned anything about the people I find entertaining. Because now if I see JonTron pop up on my subscriptions I'll just get pissed off
When the politicial climate has gradually but consistently been poking holes at the social taboos for expressing reprehensible views, we're going to see more and more people come out of the woodwork.
To be fair he avoided politics in his videos, the reason there was a lot controversy because no one expected his even his fans who were giving him the benefit of the doubt are turning on him.
Polioliolio
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Yeah... I can't listen anymore.
I really wish I never learned anything about the people I find entertaining. Because now if I see JonTron pop up on my subscriptions I'll just get pissed off
Unsub bruh
It's that easy
Triggerhappytel
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I think it might have been my favourite part of the discussion, because it's immeasurably dumb. Moreso than all the other dumb stuff, I mean!
EDIT - well, that and the part where he said discrimination does not exist in North America any more.
OmnipotentO
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Yeah... I can't listen anymore.
I really wish I never learned anything about the people I find entertaining. Because now if I see JonTron pop up on my subscriptions I'll just get pissed off
I unsubbed. I can't handle/tolerate this bullshit... smh
It isn't new at all. This stuff has been festering in the nerd community since the 70s or even earlier, before videogames even came into existence.
Beerman462
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I don't know Sky well. Hell, I don't know any of these guys well. I just think dunkey's videos are hilarious. Even so it's got to be tough for Sky. He was probably friends with Jon and since he's black both sides are going to look to him the most to see his reaction. It's frankly a lose lose situation for him, because neither side will be satisfied completely and he's going to catch hate regardless.
People are surprised by this? Watch any of his videos. They are completely devoid of critical thinking or interesting observations.
His whole body of work boils down to, "Hey remember when I was a little boy and video games made me happy? Whatever happened to that? Now look at my bird!"
HazySaiyan
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Right but you also can't deny that his popularity also means that people will seek him out on Twitter etc. where he IS spouting this crap. A lot of people are getting exposed to this hatred.
EDIT: Just looked it up, he has 1.7M followers on Twitter. That's significant.
DICKS AHOY
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Sky's also gay and caught shit on Twitter for calling out Mike Pence's past. He's in an awkward position in a lot of ways.
GrizzleBoy
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What a stupid motherfucker.....
The "if being a minority is so great, how come nobody wants to be one???" tweet is levels dumb I don't think even Trump could sink to.
The "if being a minority is so great, how come nobody wants to be one???" tweet is levels dumb I don't think even Trump could sink to.
Especially when you consider the likelihood that the majority of his subscribers are kids/teens.
HazySaiyan
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Exactly.
MrSaturn99
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this is
wow
What a shame. I never watched his stuff but he always seemed pretty cool. The current political climate really is bringing out the worst in people.
That last clip made my jaw drop. He sounds genuinely baffled. What fucking rock does he have to live under to actually believe this not a fact?
Brings out the worst in people, or brings out people's true feelings? Since Trump has gotten into office it's felt like the latter.
I just need to come here and say that Destiny utterly slayed Jon.
It is amazing the amount of information Destiny had an how Jon was continually trying to push tangents with other countries and.... tribalism? it is amazing he just laughed a point and went on with another made up argument not related with the issue discussed.
I'm amazed to find how racist Jon is. It is pretty accurate to call Jon racist, I didn't know this some months ago and after Trump was elected it got pretty clear by his showings of racism on twitter
It is amazing the amount of information Destiny had an how Jon was continually trying to push tangents with other countries and.... tribalism? it is amazing he just laughed a point and went on with another made up argument not related with the issue discussed.
I'm amazed to find how racist Jon is. It is pretty accurate to call Jon racist, I didn't know this some months ago and after Trump was elected it got pretty clear by his showings of racism on twitter
A Grizzly Bear
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The silence after Destiny responds to Jontron bringing up BLM was golden. Being Canadian I haven't been as exposed to the alt-right style of arguing, so if this is it... Jesus. The way he ignores facts, calls them false and then promptly throws out an unsubstantiated claim is incredibly frustrating.
Also, that smug fucking laugh.
Also, that smug fucking laugh.
MrSaturn99
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Yeah, the latter. Poor wording on my part.
AdmiralMikey
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I think in the case of PDP, Jontron and other Youtubers/Online influencers, it's a bit of a "Chicken or the Egg" scenario. Do people who already foster these backwards ideologies naturally drift towards these personalities for their entertainment? Alternatively, do their audiences of young, impressionable viewers flock to them for their entertainment value, and then end up falling into their political ideologies as well?
I liked Jontron for his entertainment value, finding his videos to be pretty smart and funny. However, I have some pretty established progressive beliefs and upon finding out more and more about his personal politics, decided to no longer be a fan of his. However, if I didn't have a political identity already, would I be swayed to his beliefs because I'm a fan of his work? It's entirely possible.
Closed-mindedness can be taught just as much as open-mindedness, and despite their insistence that they're not role models, people like PDP and Jontron with audiences of millions do have an influence over that audience.
TurboKiller
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This really. Ugly shit like this runs deep, it doesn't just appear suddenly in someone's personality.
potatohead
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We do have this in Canada just to a much smaller degree. The new Conservative Party is basically hijacked by similarly narrow minded individuals like those who have hijacked the Republican party.
Read on Kellie Leitch's and other Conservative leadership competitors' comments among others for those pockets of discussion quite emblematic of the same kind of absurd racism. Or Harper's history of attacking the hijab through the courts etc.
And it's always funny how these people bring up places like India or whatever or Japan. We're not trying to be secluded in the West, those aren't attributes to aspire to, and even further places like India have huge minority populations of Muslims and Christians, and Japan has religious minorities as well. There are problems there with racial and religious divides too but becoming more overt about racism and bigotry and corruption even more than India is not a thing to advertise that USA now has. So embarrassing for the world to be experiencing this right now. So many fucking racists world wide.
Fuck the alt right. Bunch of fucking assholes.
Imp the Dimp
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How were they gonna spin that anyway without admitting to just being Neo-nazis? He wasn't subtle enough.
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