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June 2008 NPD Sales Data
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Amazing DS performance! And impressive for GH.
The PS3 numbers, while a healthy boost, still suggest it's unlikely to catch up to 360 in NA, imo. 360's lead is too big and there aren't enough HD exclusives left to maintain the increase in sales we've seen this month.
LBP seems to be the big hope but I think Sony has once again miscalculated. While successful within the hardcore, it isn't going to be a mass market darling in all probability. 2D platformers aren't mainstream popular these days beyond Mario (and maybe Sonic), and the main theme of creation is too hardcore orientated, and, I can't see it resonating with the typical, current PS3 owner. These people are buying the big budget, cinematic epics on the system, so a new 2D platformer/level editor with cute graphics is likely to go unnoticed.
This also highlights PS3's biggest problem. It's positioned itself in the market where the titles that sell well, and push hardware, cost a ridiculous amount of money to create, and even then you can underachieve or fail. These games take too long to make, creating far too sporadic a release schedule to be of any real benefit to the system's overall market position.
As for 360, as soon as MS revealed how it was going to approach the system it was obvious it was going be another Xbox type seller. Following the same strategy was foolish if they wanted to capture a bigger, broader market. It's sales, and sense of levelling off, aren't surprising.
In terms of the overall home console market, it's Wii all the way. Its hw is still selling incredibly well, especially given its releases this month.
The PS3 numbers, while a healthy boost, still suggest it's unlikely to catch up to 360 in NA, imo. 360's lead is too big and there aren't enough HD exclusives left to maintain the increase in sales we've seen this month.
LBP seems to be the big hope but I think Sony has once again miscalculated. While successful within the hardcore, it isn't going to be a mass market darling in all probability. 2D platformers aren't mainstream popular these days beyond Mario (and maybe Sonic), and the main theme of creation is too hardcore orientated, and, I can't see it resonating with the typical, current PS3 owner. These people are buying the big budget, cinematic epics on the system, so a new 2D platformer/level editor with cute graphics is likely to go unnoticed.
This also highlights PS3's biggest problem. It's positioned itself in the market where the titles that sell well, and push hardware, cost a ridiculous amount of money to create, and even then you can underachieve or fail. These games take too long to make, creating far too sporadic a release schedule to be of any real benefit to the system's overall market position.
As for 360, as soon as MS revealed how it was going to approach the system it was obvious it was going be another Xbox type seller. Following the same strategy was foolish if they wanted to capture a bigger, broader market. It's sales, and sense of levelling off, aren't surprising.
In terms of the overall home console market, it's Wii all the way. Its hw is still selling incredibly well, especially given its releases this month.
dialmydrive
Member
ps3 will continue to gain momentum while 360 will continue to get slammed unless msft fixes issues with its hardware. sorry but having to wait 3-5 weeks for a repaired 360 erodes consumer loyalty and having to go through it multiple times all but destroys it. wii will continue to sell well in the u.s. throughout the remainder of the year but if what's happening in japan is any indication, wii will begin feeling the pinch in early 2009 [360 is a dead platform in japan and wii sales are miserable]. i am no ps3 fan but sony is poised for massive growth moving forward.
Captain Smoker
Member
GTA IV [360]: 276.000 [2.997.300]Flakster99 said:
GTA IV [PS3]: 156.000 [1.598.900]
TheKingsCrown
Banned
dialmydrive said:
:lol ......
:lol :lol :lol ....
seriously, is there some auto-posting program out there for GAF? I must see it. Please someone show me.
dialmydrive
Member
TheKingsCrown said:
you are a laugh riot. i always get a kick out of you fanboys.
edit: wii market share is not growing in japan <fact>; 360 sales in japan are all but non-existent <fact>
Psychotext
Member
Because I'm bored... here's the first 6 months of this year vs the first six months of last (sorry, no charts - I'm not that bored!):
Code:
Wii: +1.37m (65% increase)
PS3: +0.85m (111% increase)
PSP: +0.22m (18% increase)
NDS: +0.50m (19% increase)
360: +0.09m (8% increase)
PS2: -0.25m (16% decrease)Private Hoffman
Banned
He's right about one thing, though.
PS3 will make a PSP styled comeback in Japan when the conditions are right; i.e., new console hardware revision (smaller), price cut, and the release of more Japanese centric software like Final Fantasy XIII.
PS3 will make a PSP styled comeback in Japan when the conditions are right; i.e., new console hardware revision (smaller), price cut, and the release of more Japanese centric software like Final Fantasy XIII.
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont think the Xbox 360 sales are bad, atleast not that bad in my opinionCloudNL said:
- Does anyone have the 11-20 software #s?
- Congrats to Ninja Gaiden 2, very solid
- Nintendo is unstoppable; I love my DS, the Wii makes me sick
- Wow at GTA4 dropping off the list! The speed at which gamers churn through new software is amazing. It really is like the movie theatre business; you sell what you can in one month and then you are gone.
- Good #s for MGS4, the series has really been revitalized in terms of broad appeal; these numbers are fantastic compared to MGS3
- Congrats to Ninja Gaiden 2, very solid
- Nintendo is unstoppable; I love my DS, the Wii makes me sick
- Wow at GTA4 dropping off the list! The speed at which gamers churn through new software is amazing. It really is like the movie theatre business; you sell what you can in one month and then you are gone.
- Good #s for MGS4, the series has really been revitalized in terms of broad appeal; these numbers are fantastic compared to MGS3
dialmydrive
Member
ziran said:PS3 is posied to drop below 100K per month again.
Not exactly a positive prediction once you, you know, actually use the factual data
mark my words. let's wait to see where we are in 3 months then we can discuss who is more in-line with accurately trending factual data.
Captain Smoker
Member
The Wii has a market share of 70%, what do you expect? 90%?dialmydrive said:
ziran said:PS3 is posied to drop below 60k per month again.
Not exactly a positive prediction once you, you know, actually use the factual data
Fixed. No, seriously. Fixed. For the PS3 to ever be near 100k a month (4.33 weeks/month for 12 months), they'd have to sell 23k a week. And currently it's doing a little more than half that.
dialmydrive said:
Not among all systems, but among the three current gen systems, it is. See, when something sells more than two other somethings, its market share grows. This has been happening since launch outside of a few weeks.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Bizzyb said:
It's a plan to make people buy more Wii Play.
schuelma said:
Schuelma: always so spiny in his sentences. Well said.
Captain Smoker said:
............
dialmydrive
Member
Captain Smoker said:
look at wii growth in japan month over month since launch. do you honestly think wii can sustain its share when sales have been down <or if you prefer the glass-half-full approach, flat> over the past 6 months?
bloody pirate
Banned
PetriP-TNT said:
Bingo
Captain Smoker
Member
I don´t know, I can´t look into the future, just like you.dialmydrive said:
Anyway, the Wii is the dominating platform in Japan and sells great and the market share is very high [PS2 market share = 76% in Japan, Wii market share at the moment = 70%].
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
RagnarokX said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol This was the best one.
dialmydrive
Member
like i said, let's revisit this in a few short months. i will be more than happy to serve the crow you'll be eating on a nice, warm platter.
MGS4 success is nice but most importantly YES AEROSMITH BOMBA. I predicted that shit Activision, now if only the game cost you more than $5 to make so you would see these results and realize you can't just shit out new GH spinoffs constantly--wait what is this shit, GH:On Tour sold how much? Damn kids.
Mr. Pointy
Member
What games will the PS3 have in the next few short months that will make the Japanese buy the system in droves?dialmydrive said:
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Flat marketshare is the definition of miserable sales? Though it has fluctuated, did you know that PS2's share of the total PS2/GCN market in Japan is the same now as it was 5 years ago? What's important is that it was high in the first place, and remained high.dialmydrive said:
But you were talking in the present tense, now you're backpeddling...dialmydrive said:
You said, and I quote:
What you should've said was:
If you had, you may have realised how silly it sounds, and changed it to:
Just something to work on for next time.
You're right, but I was trying to be gentle. He seems like the delicate sort.Anihawk said:
Mgoblue201
Won't stop picking the right nation
Why wait? You can eat fresh crow now and get it over with.dialmydrive said:
dialmydrive
Member
RJT said:
i am basing it on the discussions i had with a couple of analysts at e3. both are based out of tokyo and both showed research from the manufacturers themselves as well as from famitsu and media create. both believe nintendo is beginning to experience lethargy in japan while sony's ps3 and psp continue to steal share.
Psychotext
Member
Flawless victory.
Randy Lanzarote
Member
Never forget.
TheSimExchange said:
Might take some time, but if GTA4360 had sold 276,000 it would have made the top 10.
TheKingsCrown
Banned
My god. Has drinky crow been resurrected into some evil, irrational version of Cheesemeister?dialmydrive said:
TheRagnCajun
Member
"I lol at your interpretation of NDP sales data"
"I lol that you lol at my iterpretation of NDP sales data"
"I lol that you're loling at my lol of your interpretation of NDP sales data"
IT'S ALL JUST SO FUCKING HILARIOUS!!! :lol
"I lol that you lol at my iterpretation of NDP sales data"
"I lol that you're loling at my lol of your interpretation of NDP sales data"
IT'S ALL JUST SO FUCKING HILARIOUS!!! :lol
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
dialmydrive said:
No one doubts that PSP is "stealing marketshare" (given that the DS is selling as well as the PS2 was at its peak and is also the best-selling console or portable in Japanese history, that's hardly a knock against the DS).
People doubt that the PS3 is stealing marketshare, because it's not.
(donny2112's graph)
The PS3 has outsold the Wii 3 weeks out of around 85. The Wii year to date sales are triple the PS3 despite trending below last year's. The MGS4 bump is over and the "baseline" hardware sales remain unchanged. The Wii is also substantially ahead of the PS2 at this point in its lifespan.
Or to use JoshuaJSlone's data: After 84 weeks, Wii is where PS2 was at 96.0 weeks. After 87 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 19.7 week. Weekly shares of 23.0 / 77.0 bring total shares to 25.7 / 74.3. If Wii stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 335.7 weeks (December 19, 2014).
You'll note that the Wii's weekly share this week in Japan was higher than its lifetime share, implying that it gained marketshare this week versus the PS3. It's about 4% shy marketshare-wise of what the PS2 was while it was in active competition with the GCN and XBX, both of which I think we can agree are pretty pitiful competitors.
... speaking of which, the PS3 finally caught up to the GameCube! Now that's momentum I can get behind!
dialmydrive
Member
RJT said:
i should not have said ps3 is stealing market share because it sends the wrong message. i should have said that ps3 is gaining share, not stealing from wii. it doesn't quite work that way.
let's wait to see what happens in the coming months <in japan>. i hope they're wrong but even nintendo japan has said it recognizes a problem, especially in terms of total software attach rate and third-party attach rate. but who cares when wii and nds are both very strong in the u.s., right? even if the tides do turn, i doubt we'll see any sign of noticeable slowdown before mid-calendar q1 2009.
