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Large Youtubers Hide Ownership of CSGO Lottery Site

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shira

shira

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Shark Johnson said:
So no more CSGOLounge? That's pretty lame. That was a good site and outside of team shenanigans, you couldn't be ripped off.
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It's an extremely shady business. Nobody knows exactly what happens to items or how items are prioritized or what the house cut is for any given bet.

The Lounge sites started sponsoring hatmakers and tournaments re-investing in legit aspects of e-sports.
 
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aspiegamer

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Valve must have decided the lawsuit didn't look so good for them and are just hoping this all goes away. Yeah... no. Though this will draw it away from the public spotlight, now that lawyers have their hands all over multiple aspects of it it will not die.

Not complaining! Didn't think they'd cave this quickly/easily. But hey, again, not complaining.
 
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SilentRob

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Good guys Valve! All they need is one of the biggest scandals in gaming and multi-million-dollar lawsuits to make them not tollerate and thus indirectly support illegal bullshit. Good on them.
 
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Armadilo

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"Three COD Youtubers killed CSGO Skin Gambling" , the headline that needs to be everywhere. Justice needs to happen. Drop the Hammer
 
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SZips

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Via Twitch:

Twitch and third-party terms of service and user agreements
Today Valve released an announcement clarifying the intended use of Steam’s trading system and OpenID API. Valve specifically notes that using “the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements.”

As a reminder, per Twitch’s Terms of Service, broadcasters are not permitted to stream content that breaks the terms of service or user agreements of third-parties. As such, content in which the broadcaster uses or promotes services that violate Valve’s stated restrictions is prohibited on Twitch. Our Rules of Conduct lists other examples such as playing pirated games and playing on unauthorized private servers.
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In short, if you're streaming gambling of skins, it's against Twitch's TOS.

Hopefully this means there will be actual gameplay showing up in the CS:GO category on Twitch now instead of most of the top slots occupied by people gambling.

However, this also means that crate opening streams are still just fine.
 
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Bad7667

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SZips said:
Via Twitch:



In short, if you're streaming gambling of skins, it's against Twitch's TOS.

Hopefully this means there will be actual gameplay showing up in the CS:GO category on Twitch now instead of most of the top slots occupied by people gambling.

However, this also means that crate opening streams are still just fine.
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Well at least with the crates you get a guarantee that you will receive an item. So thats something.
 
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SirPinkyNose

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Are e-sport betting site shut down too? It's not illegal in some country especially in the US.
Anyway it's good to hear that they are trying to shut down lotto sites instead of deciding to fuck the marketplace up.
 
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Unknown One

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SZips said:
Via Twitch:



In short, if you're streaming gambling of skins, it's against Twitch's TOS.

Hopefully this means there will be actual gameplay showing up in the CS:GO category on Twitch now instead of most of the top slots occupied by people gambling.

However, this also means that crate opening streams are still just fine.
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The thing is, Twitch hardly enforce their rules for popular streamers.
 
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BlackBuzzard

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Unknown One said:
The thing is, Twitch hardly enforce their rules for popular streamers.
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*Looks at Legendary Lea*

Yup apparently showing your clam on stream is still not enough to get perma banned from Twitch, even when you have had multiple strikes for other *slips*. The nepotism on twitch is unreal.
 
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Killroyskbg

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BlackBuzzard said:
*Looks at Legendary Lea*

Yup apparently showing your clam on stream is still not enough to get perma banned from Twitch, even when you have had multiple strikes for other *slips*. The nepotism on twitch is unreal.
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Or going up the stairs for 5 min showing your ass drunk as hell. But god forbide if you are ever tricked into showing a nude picture by chat or donators even if you close it as soon as you can.
 
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SZips

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Unknown One said:
The thing is, Twitch hardly enforce their rules for popular streamers.
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They might put in a slight bit more than the baseline for this one given how there are lawsuits flying about over CS:GO skin gambling.

If they do, great! That'd be really awesome to see something get done about it.

If they don't, then nothing really changes and life goes on. Some streamers will probably be scared into giving it up out of the fear of potentially getting banned on Twitch. Bigger streamers will open crates, or deal with temp bans and keep doing what they do, or move on to other things.
 
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Lulubop

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Man this Scarce dude puts out 2 low effort vids a day about some YouTube drama, and gets upwards of 2 mil views on each. What a gig.
 
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hbkdx12

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Lulubop said:
Man this Scarce dude puts out 2 low effort vids a day about some YouTube drama, and gets upwards of 2 mil views on each. What a gig.
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People love their drama

Until all this gambling stuff i had no idea that there as even a subsection of Youtube that just thrives on beef and drama.
 
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Anticol

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It's funny how valve is trying to distance themselves out of this when they in fact gave assistance to these sites and probably knew what they were doing and didn't care cause they were making a lot of money.

Well at least all the people at valve doing this can return to developing games. /s
 
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Bedlam

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SirPinkyNose said:
He reports Youtube news. What's wrong with that?
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Youtube news. Youtube. News.

I think Youtube drama is the most pathetic bs that I became aware of and have witnessed on the internet this year. It's a small circle of kids, posers and manbabys that mouth off about each other.

Yeah, admittedly some of them get millions of views and I do like it when bad stuff gets exposed.
 
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SirPinkyNose

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Bedlam said:
Youtube news. Youtube. News.

I think Youtube drama is the most pathetic bs that I became aware of and have witnessed on the internet this year. It's a small circle of kids, posers and manbabys that mouth off about each other.

Yeah, admittedly some of them get millions of views and I do like it when bad stuff gets exposed.
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So just like TMZ and celebrities.
 
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mangochutney

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Bedlam said:
Youtube news. Youtube. News.

I think Youtube drama is the most pathetic bs that I became aware of and have witnessed on the internet this year. It's a small circle of kids, posers and manbabys that mouth off about each other.

Yeah, admittedly some of them get millions of views and I do like it when bad stuff gets exposed.
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That isn't a 'this year' thing, it has been going on for years.
 
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Eidan

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mStudios said:
CSGOLotto is no more... Now is SteamLot and is registered in Russia, but the website operates in Florida.

He won't learn a single bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W61p53F8i-M
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I was expecting to hear an examination of Martin's new scheme, but what I got was information on some beef involving random YouTube celebrities.

Is that what Honor the Call's channel typically is about? I thought it was a Call of Duty channel that just happened to break news regarding CSGP Lotto. Is it really just a small operation that discusses the various feuds and perceived slights that these man children who obviously have too much time and money seemingly have with one another?
 
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Tron 2.0

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I'm not sure why Valve is getting any praise for their move.

Additionally, if these sites are in violation of their API's terms Valve could easily revoke access rather than politely ask the sites to cease.
 
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PtM

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Tron 2.0 said:
I'm not sure why Valve is getting any praise for their move.

Additionally, if these sites are in violation of their API's terms Valve could easily revoke access rather than politely ask the sites to cease.
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They're giving steamers time to get rid of their soon to be worthless skins.
 
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Effect

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Twitch is now owned by Amazon right? So while Twitch still runs itself i would imagine that would change overnight if they got hit by a lawsuit. So in regard to this situation they might be more willing to enforce things just to make sure they maintain their autonomy and not be dragged into a potential legal fight. The second that happens I would imagine Amazon's heads are going to want to know what the hell is going.
 
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Bad7667

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Anticol said:
It's funny how valve is trying to distance themselves out of this when they in fact gave assistance to these sites and probably knew what they were doing and didn't care cause they were making a lot of money.

Well at least all the people at valve doing this can return to developing games. /s
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I haven't been keeping up with this as much as I'd like but is there any proof that points to Valve helping these gambling sites?

It's one thing if Valve knew these sites existed, but if they actually provided assistance to these scammers. That is unbelievable and if it's true, my opinion of Valve has definitely lowered.
 
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Magwik

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Bad7667 said:
I haven't been keeping up with this as much as I'd like but is there any proof that points to Valve helping these gambling sites?

It's one thing if Valve knew these sites existed, but if they actually provided assistance to these scammers. That is unbelievable and if it's true, my opinion of Valve has definitely lowered.
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Ryan Morrison "the video game attorney" cited that he does have proof that Valve actually worked with the sites owners and helped them out in the past IIRC
 
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antonz

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Bad7667 said:
I haven't been keeping up with this as much as I'd like but is there any proof that points to Valve helping these gambling sites?

It's one thing if Valve knew these sites existed, but if they actually provided assistance to these scammers. That is unbelievable and if it's true, my opinion of Valve has definitely lowered.
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VideoGame Lawyer stated he had evidence given to him that showed Valve developers working with sites correcting issues sites were having etc. So there was at least some within Valve who went above and beyond just turning a blind eye.
 
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rrs

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Bad7667 said:
I haven't been keeping up with this as much as I'd like but is there any proof that points to Valve helping these gambling sites?

It's one thing if Valve knew these sites existed, but if they actually provided assistance to these scammers. That is unbelievable and if it's true, my opinion of Valve has definitely lowered.
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The only proof that seems to exist is valve employees helped such sites with the API but not saying if it was done on the clock or not in a "we got end game lawyers and gamesharked infinite weasel words" kind of way. Valve, as a company, has clearly looked the other way and only stopped edge cases to gambling that caused match fixing
 
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Guerrilla

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Bedlam said:
Youtube news. Youtube. News.

I think Youtube drama is the most pathetic bs that I became aware of and have witnessed on the internet this year. It's a small circle of kids, posers and manbabys that mouth off about each other.

Yeah, admittedly some of them get millions of views and I do like it when bad stuff gets exposed.
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How is calling some youtube celebrity out on illegal gambling activities "drama" and not "news"? For me this is the same as if Kanye West was running an illegal casino aimed at children. I wouldn't call that "celebrity drama" either. And calling keemstar out for cybermobbing an old man to near suicide with false pedophilia allegations is also kinda okay isnt it? These are people with influence and if they do something horribly wrong, it should be reported.

Of course if two youtubers only get into an argument, that's something you could call yt drama and goes into the TMZ territory, but that's not what this is about.
 
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Oblivion

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Lulubop said:
Man this Scarce dude puts out 2 low effort vids a day about some YouTube drama, and gets upwards of 2 mil views on each. What a gig.
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He just records over footage whatever that FPS game is. Probably uses the same footage with each video too...

Still, gotta admire the hustle.
 
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A-V-B

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StaticJam said:
Ryan Morrison "the video game attorney" cited that he does have proof that Valve actually worked with the sites owners and helped them out in the past IIRC
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Wonder if that's what really got Valve into action? That they'd get reamed in a court case or something.
 
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Orin GA

I wish I could hat you to death
Were is the proof? All i remember is he said thatt BBC said that someone said that Valve helped them out.
 
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