Unknown Soldier
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I would imagine Squenix would prefer a return to 1999 sales for FF titles. FF has been on a sales decline ever since FFX.
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Lightning Returns Final Fantasy XIII launches in Japan with low sales of 277k
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I would imagine Squenix would prefer a return to 1999 sales for FF titles. FF has been on a sales decline ever since FFX.
Yeah, I've wanted the Fang / Vanille War of Transgression prequel action game spin-off for a while ...
Unknown Soldier
Member
After Dirge of Cerberus I don't think we want any more action games from Squenix Japan.
If they farmed it out to Eidos Montreal though, then I would be interested. If they're going to ever farm out Final Fantasy to their Western studios, an action spinoff would be the logical choice.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Yeah DoC was horrible. Looked nice but played like shit.
You know they already could make an action game if they wanted to with the resources they have from 11 for example...
Make a phantasy star sort of action RPG would have been the most logical choice and use the world setting for that. Since with either 11 or 14 both of those games would have been a great setting for such a title. Its too bad apparently no one in SQEX has enough common sense or vision to want to bother to do it.
Im surprised that the popular for its time arcade game Quest for D by SEGA never made it to home consoles after its run in the arcades was over. Would have made a great home or handheld coop game, as it was enjoyable in the arcades. Granted Samurai and Dragons is "slightly" like that S&D looks quite bad...
Unknown Soldier
Member
FFX|X-2 HD is going to easily outsell LR, and you're damn right that it should.
Wait what? Seriously they talked about GTA too?
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Damn.
None of those games need remakes and with the current direction of SE I doubt they would turn out well either.
I honestly feel they are making the right decision in developing new games rather than high budget remakes, but the reception/sales shos that they should have moved on from FF13 after the first game
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Touché.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
High budget remakes of games would be such a huge undertaking in terms of budget and development time that they'd be better off seeking new audiences with new titles. It would far surpass any advantage of built-in audiences of the games they might possibly remake.
1st Course
Member
I expect it do better. XIII had a very poor legs.
Sasuke isn't deep, I agree.
NeonZ
Member
I think they could have reused assets without going in this direction though. FFXIII wasn't well received, so they should have tried to avoid connections with it as much as possible. Even if they didn't want to make a new mainline title reusing some assets, like monsters and such, they should have gone with distant sequels with all new casts and story, not just more and more from FFXIII's cast. Basically, new mainline titles in all but name (and with reduced budget, recycling FFXIII assets).
Trying to stick with those characters and making two direct sequels to XIII was basically poisonous to their brand.
They're in junior high. The rating system in Japan may have different hangups, but it isn't any more controlling than the US one.
Glass Rebel
Member
They're gentlemen of refined taste. Stop making it sound like it's a bad thing.
PshycoNinja
Member
How many times have we concluded that this is FUD? 10-12 times?
Let's start at the top.
1) They have not said that in interviews. As a matter of fact in many interviews this year they tried to push the lie that this trilogy was planned from the start. After some investigative work by yours truly we found that back in 2006 when announcing XIII they said they had zero plans for sequels for XIII.
After confronting SE about it the PR, Marketing, Kitase and Toriyama all started to distance themselves from all earlier comments made.
2) You continue to try and push the idea that XIII-2 and LR were made because of Versus which is clearly not the case because towards the end of both games (XIII and XIII-2) development SE talked about refocusing the XIII team to assist Versus' SMALL development team.
Obviously that wasn't the case as Kitase continued to provide resources to XIII sequels instead of the Versus project. Hence why he is no longer apart of the XV team. (So it's believed)
I won't argue XIV 1.0 cratered but that wasn't the reason XIII sequels were made and you know it. This is just trash you throw around to try and justify SE's decision to keep Toriyama making his fantasy game.
Square-Enix should introduce a new FF series and market it as "a mainline Final Fantasy for handhelds". Call it Final Fantasy Saga or something and let people like Ito and Kawazu work there.
Use pre-rendered backgrounds to keep the budget for graphics in check, make it look like REmake:
and focus on the story, characters, writing etc.
It'd be a relatively easy way to make money and keep the fanbase happy (especially since they can't release 3 standalone games on consoles anymore).
Glass Rebel
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Square-Enix should introduce a new FF series and market it as "a mainline Final Fantasy for handhelds". Call it Final Fantasy Saga or something and let people like Ito and Kawazu work there.
Use pre-rendered backgrounds to keep the budget for graphics in check, make it look like REmake:
and focus on the story, characters, writing etc.
It'd be a relatively easy way to make money and keep the fanbase happy (especially since they can't release 3 standalone games on consoles anymore).
You just described Bravely Default, basically. Even the pre-rendered backgrounds in towns.
Yeah, Bravely Default is close to what I had in mind.
Can't wait to win the avatar bet. It'll be one hell of a beat down.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
They are already planning to make Bravely Default a franchise. Basically your suggestion has been granted.
PshycoNinja
Member
Can't wait to win my avatar bet too. It will be glorious. They make it almost too easy. :3
Yes.
Not necessarily. Every FF is different (except VII-IX which all follow the same formula), so what you like or dislike will depend on you. For instance, I like all the FF titles for various reasons but hate some characters that other people absolutely love.
I'd start with III DS, then gradually move forward.
Just to note VIII is naff. Every other titles is great - amazing. But if you liked XIII you might like VIII, I dunno lol.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yup! Start with either I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XII,
Enjoy!
I made a small correction here
any of those will be better than XIII.
I made a small correction here
any of those will be better than XIII.
Yeah why not, I excluded the Bit games because I find them harder to get into as a newcomer, but if he likes himself them classic games, why not!
The gameplay was only improved from the GameCube game.
However yes the strongest point of the GC game were the graphics which the DS coudn't deliver.
Because Lightning is a horribly written character?
Already shows how much more of approachable character Noctis is than Lightning ever will be.
But they are dating?
AuthenticM
Member
Who bet that LR would outsell X HD ?
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
300k EU+NA MAX. I seriously think it would better now than in February. Edit I changed my prediction to 300k
.kayos (10HD will outsell LR) and Perfo (on LR's side). JP sales only? Dunno.
Keep in mind kayos is usually a guaranteed loser of avatar bets. However, Perfo already lost an avatar bet against Psycho Ninja recently and if he had bet his avatar on the 'fifth area' of LR (I think he did, I don't remember), he would have also lost.
Probably the salty way of advice would be ALWAYS BET KAYOS or NEVER BET KAYOS, both are pretty accurate for the current state of affairs.
I think a little more than that, because didn't 13-2 clear 350k in NA last time? Assuming it sold around the same amount in EU, and also assuming around half the 13-2 buyers will come back, then it'll be around 350k for EU+NA no?
That's assuming half of them will buy round 3.
Meccanical
Member
Kayos might finally win an avatar bet.
Maybe Lightning really is a goddess to grant such miracles.
Maybe Lightning really is a goddess to grant such miracles.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
250 seems rather low considering that XIII-2 sold 1ml+ NA/EU and even if LR: FFXIII is expected like in Japan to sell -50% it's still a 500k+ EU+NA.
Anyway yes, it would be better to launch it now. Seriously. Because I wanna play it now T.T
It shipped that, it sold far less and SE had to pay retailers to keep the games price up. The plan is probably to ship 1 millon WW so 450k in Japan 550K across the world. Also I forgot to mention that there's a superior FF game coming out in US just a few days before LR it's called Bravely Default
500k? assuming similar 50% drop from 13-2, naahh. 13->13-2 drop was higher outside of Japan.
13-2 February 2012
NPD debut was ~350k iirc
UK debut was ~80k
Toriyama said they sold/shipped? 200k in Asian market, higher than Germany and France.
I'd give it 500k+ for EU+NA+Asia+Germany+France BEST CASE. There is also the effect of new console generation on last generation software sales to consider in these markets.
I think the drop from 13-2 will be higher than 50% also, reviews could affect it too in both ways, which probably won't review better than 6 and 7 if I had to guess.
13-2 February 2012
NPD debut was ~350k iirc
UK debut was ~80k
Toriyama said they sold/shipped? 200k in Asian market, higher than Germany and France.
I'd give it 500k+ for EU+NA+Asia+Germany+France BEST CASE. There is also the effect of new console generation on last generation software sales to consider in these markets.
I think the drop from 13-2 will be higher than 50% also, reviews could affect it too in both ways, which probably won't review better than 6 and 7 if I had to guess.
I made a small correction here
any of those will be better than XIII.
Well I was/am a big fan of SNES games like Lufia2, Secret of Mana. So it being a bit game does not scare me
Red Mage
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Well I was/am a big fan of SNES games like Lufia2, Secret of Mana. So it being a bit game does not scare me
Just don't play the NES versions of FF I or FF II. I will NOT automatically change the target of an attack if it dies. I.E. your Fighter just killed the Goblin, and now your Black Belt wastes a turn attacking a dead enemy. II's grindish nature is terrible in its original form.