AHA-Lambda
Member
Woah, that's a horrifying read =/
Should we be worried about 3rd party ventures like ReCore or Quantum Break?
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Lionhead Studios and Press Play closed. Fable legends cancelled.
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Woah, that's a horrifying read =/
Should we be worried about 3rd party ventures like ReCore or Quantum Break?
Poimandres
Member
Yeah, that's pretty in line with what people would expect from E3. More Sea of Thieves, finally unveiling Battletoads. Actually seems pretty clear cut come to think of it!
Obviously there's a big shift going on at MS, but E3 is too soon to really lift the lid on it. Personally I wouldn't trust a damn thing they say about the future of Xbox gaming at the moment. Wait and see how it all pans out.
That's sad. I think more people would be more respective to a fable 4 than whatever FL was turning into.
Movalpolos
Banned
The studio closure is surprising to me. Fable being cancelled... not so much. That's an IP with really no value anymore.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Well, I like Fable and Lionhead Studios so I'm not a monster.=p
I don't undersrand this comparison considering Xbox was never known for music. I mean, people used Xbox consoles for music features but the brand being known for music the same way it's known for gaming? Never.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Yeah, I was thinking it would be split into three cores -
1.)Expansion of previously announced games (Gears 4, Scalebound, Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves, Recore, Halo Wars 2 and Quantum Break DLC?)
2.)Third party deals (including indies)
3.)One or two new announcement(s) (Forza Horizon 3 (if it isn't announced prior to E3) and/or another third party exclusive).
I think the big announcement from the event will be the X1 hardware revision.
I think that would be a solid event overall considering where MS is right now and where they are headed.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
It's really sad to see people losing their jobs so I hope they would bounce quickly. I haven't really play their recent games but I always enjoy their first two fable games.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Did the beta have some survey? Or.. They were able to tell people weren't playing it much? Beta may have been a test for the market
And apparently studio
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Simply Sami
Member
Of course it was microsofts. Nobody sane would want to develop a shitty Kinect game. Mattrick was pushing for Kinect games as obviously Kinect was selling very well.
2007-2008 were peak years for gaming. It was a testament to Fable 2 that it was in many people's top 10 games in that period.
This is just a phase. Phil Spencer is more than ever committed to Xbox One and development communities in the UK and Europe.
Praise be.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Actually what the hell are MS going to talk about at E3? =/
We always knew they were too reliant on Forza, Fable, Gears and Halo. But instead of fixing that they cut one out and from the way Stump tells it they aren't trying to fix it.
We always knew they were too reliant on Forza, Fable, Gears and Halo. But instead of fixing that they cut one out and from the way Stump tells it they aren't trying to fix it.
I guess he's saying that Xbox will have to deliver something huge with all this talks about change and studios closing etc. But I don't know.
To me it's pretty obvious that MS is in the process of shifting gears and if MS is really serious about PC (as they have been saying for a while now) I fully expect a Halo for Xbox & PC announcement and boy will Twitter be interesting on that day.
DagnastyEp
Member
This situation kind of seems like, "let's get this depressing situation out on Monday, then hey look, Gears 4 on GI cover!"
For studio closings such as these, they should more transparent.
Phil and others had said they're investing more into IP then ever before, well certainly look it. E3 and beyond will very interesting.
For studio closings such as these, they should more transparent.
Phil and others had said they're investing more into IP then ever before, well certainly look it. E3 and beyond will very interesting.
Man, I'd be heated as fuck if I was a dev at Lionhead Studios right now. I'm sure they'd much rather just work on a proper Fable or new IP instead but were "persuaded" to work on this project and then got shafted for it w/out warning pretty much it seems. Truly sucks.
PuppetMaster
Member
Wow another stuido purchased by MS closing.
Black & White is one of my favorite games ever.
Black & White is one of my favorite games ever.
Alebrije
Member
That is the mistery what Xbone 1.5 will be.
Also how current users will handle this news. If MS announces this basically current Xbone sales will bomb for people waiting for 1.5 like the current WiiU vs NX situation ; unless MS drops the price again for current Xbone do not see how they those units will move.
On console market hardware upgrades never had worked , Sega and Nintendo did it with little success. When you split the market this way you are doing cannibalism.
Brad Grenz
Member
Microsoft pulled the ripcord on console hardware a while ago, whether or not people realised it. We are just now seeing the chutes start to deploy. I think it's an open question whether either Crackdown 3 or Sea of Thieves will ever make it to market. Microsoft is also drawing down their investment in games in such a way that you should not expect more, new 3rd party deals to fill the gap.
GusBricker
Member
Depends on if Below or Cuphead are out by then. Then there's Recore, Crackdown, Sea of Thieves, I'm sure they'll show more of Scalebound.
Maybe they'll make another deal with Capcom for Dead Rising 4.
Oh man, remember when Xbox used to be cool? Regardless of sales numbers and console wars blablabla, remember when Xbox 360 was the effin coolest machine under the TV with those blades and really cool XBL games and XBLA and demos and all that? Maaaaaaaaaaaan. What a shame.
Dreams-Visions
Member
EA still owns Black & White.
Crackdown 3 has a good chance since they're setting it up as the new poster boy for Azure. Rare, I'd definitely be worried about though.
Really sad to see Lionhead go down. I honestly hope the people involved will manage to find new jobs as soon as possible. Best of luck to all of them.
I'm German, so no.
Neither Crackdown 3 nor Sea of Thieves look particularly appealing. C3 gives me Red Faction vibes.
I'm German, so no.
Neither Crackdown 3 nor Sea of Thieves look particularly appealing. C3 gives me Red Faction vibes.
Already posted? The whole situation is weird.
I will add that users will want a fundamentally better console, not a machine that is an incremental upgrade. Solid 1080p, 60 fps and largely the same assets cranked up in detail seems like a small trade off to me.
The traditional console experience has been that the next machine represents something that could not be achieved on the one available before it. In the very least marketed as such.
But hey who knows.
Its disgusting. I already made my thoughts on this clear earlier in the thread
I think I said everything I needed to say on it already but the fact that it continues to happen is just absolutely shameful. People spouting this crap should be ashamed of themselves.
What the hell did I just read? So Sony makes fake money then? Your argument in response "Sony supports and continues to support diverse development" is "but they don't make real money?" How the fuck does lower profitability in anyway end up diminishing the end result for the consumer mainly that there are more diverse and interesting games being funded? The only way your comments in this thread even begin to approach anything resembling logical is if your identity is so tied up into that of a corporation that you are no longer capable of seeing the situation as a consumer. Which, frankly, is absolutely horrifying to watch unfold. Please just stop. My face can only cringe so much.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
That tweet has already been posted. We all suspect it was the higher ups that came down on them.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Man this thread is getting embarrassing.
So from 2 studios closing down (both of which had very low output over the last 3-5 years) we've come to basically most new games announced won't make it to market aaaaaand Microsoft will stop making consoles by the end of this year.
Jesus.
So from 2 studios closing down (both of which had very low output over the last 3-5 years) we've come to basically most new games announced won't make it to market aaaaaand Microsoft will stop making consoles by the end of this year.
Jesus.
Alebrije
Member
Why? Do you think they just suddenly woke up today and went "Oh hey, I know, let's shut down Lionhead!".
He was obviously not going to say "well actually we're going to can it and close LS". People don't make this sort of announcements in response to a question about "so how's X doing?". Besides what he actually said did sound a bit weird.
I'm in Germany too. All my friends had an Xbox 360. (I'm talking about the Xbox 360. The original Xbox didn't really exist here lol. I have never seen one in real life.)
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Actually I interpreted his carefully chosen wording as knowing for some time it was going to be shut down but clearly Lionhead weren't aware.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
My mistake was listening to people on twitter claim Sony is fucking up with everything.
Quantum Break has gone gold lol. There is not a single second of footage or pics of ReCore however.
CheDominik
Member
I had one and with CFW it's still my favorite console of all time. You could do so much cool stuff with that thing. It was also the console that convinced me to go all digital in the future because changing discs is for suckers
The 360 was a brief success with the hardcore audience but a lot of people I knew just bought the 360 to shorten the waiting time for the PS3.
daTRUballin
Member
I don't think Rare will be shut down anytime soon, and hopefully they won't. Whenever MS closes a studio, everybody always predicts that Rare will be next, but it never happens.
MS is also starting to pay more attention to Rare and its IPs, moreso than they have in the past. Plus all the legacy that the studio has. They can't just simply shut them down like that.
MS is also starting to pay more attention to Rare and its IPs, moreso than they have in the past. Plus all the legacy that the studio has. They can't just simply shut them down like that.
AncientDiety
Banned
That was your mistake, twitter is a cesspool. Best to research before listening to peeps on twitter. Sony has been doing well for awhile.
Clearly he had to engage corporate doublespeak but perhaps realeasing the games and then winding down the studio was the way to go. We don't know the details of the shutdown, but I think there might have been a better way to do this and thus the reaction to statements about the game and it's studio would seem less shocking in retrospect.
But again, easy for me to say without a full understanding of the game, it's quality and the logistical challenges around releasing and supporting the product.
There is a big difference between cancelling as yet unnanounced and unrevealed new IP and cancelling a new title in an existing franchise that has been in consumer closed beta for over a year, was promoted multiple times at trade events (E3, GDC, etc) and was a pillar of the platforms central marketing push (best lineup ever). Not to mention the latter led to the closure of a historic studio in the process of its cancellation. The Sony too garbage needs to stop. This is bad and it is as shockingly bad as it is totally unexpected. Trying to play this off as normal or expected or dismiss it as the fault of anyone except the management under which it has been in development and promotion for the past 3 years is grossly disingenuous or straight up delusional.
Need I remind people that this will be third game promoted by MS that has been shitcanned before release this gen? It joins the ranks of Black Tusks new IP and Phantom Dust. Yet this is of no concern to some people here. That a company can promote games at trade shows with the promise of release then not once, not twice, but three times pull the rug out form under people. Fuck that. They deserve to be called out for this shit especially when it leads to the closure of development teams like with Fable and Phantom Dust.