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Major developments and milestones since Final Fantasy Versus XIII was announced
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donutzsick
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sora no kiseki was released on PSP, starting the long journey of kiseki on playstation. falcom became a primarily console (mostly psp at first) developer and now we have 5 kiseki games out and a 6th one coming. all before versus. (idk the history of Ys that well but plenty of those were released as well)
hersheyfan
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In 2006 Square Enix still was, despite challengers to their empire, the no. 1 producer of console RPG content in the world - the heavyweight champion of the world.
Fast forward eight years.
In 2014 Atlus sits tenuously atop that JRPG throne, being challenged on a regular basis by NISA, who now occupies the "scrappy underdog" position Atlus once held.
Square Enix is now the arena janitor who sells snacks on the side.
Fast forward eight years.
In 2014 Atlus sits tenuously atop that JRPG throne, being challenged on a regular basis by NISA, who now occupies the "scrappy underdog" position Atlus once held.
Square Enix is now the arena janitor who sells snacks on the side.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
lol what?
Ganon Dragmire
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Reminder:
I'm starting to delete posts which actually discuss the development of FFXV. Remember, that's not what this thread is for!
hersheyfan
Member
The output's not exactly comparable is it, though? In either quality or volume?
You could argue that Namco has put out more good tales games in that span than square did final fantasies.
Edit: good final fantasy installments, that werent remakes.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Except even the "bomb" Lightning Returns has sold more than the average Atlus or NIS game.
Atlus and NIS are winners only in the opinion of niche jRPG fans... except not even then, because FF is still a fan favorite. It's really a tiny fringe bitching otherwise....
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
That's the point, they're niche titles by niche developers for a niche audience. And something that isn't able to attract a huge audience can't replace a company or a series which name and titles released still greatly surpass everything they ever released. Also I disagree on the quality-topic too, for me FF is still the king of the hill without any other series even approaching the quality its titles hold.
GhostTrick
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Nintendo released a new handheld in 2011.
Nintendo is going to release a new handheld in 2016.
FFXV may not be released at this time.
Nintendo is going to release a new handheld in 2016.
FFXV may not be released at this time.
Whoa
Well, in my opinion Gust sits on top. FWIW, since the announcement of FFXIII VS they released 8 full, entirely new PS3 JRPGs, and a dozen or so handheld ports and spinoffs.
What has Atlus done in console JRPGs? They are almost as unproductive as S-E.
Go_Ly_Dow
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hersheyfan
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Well, yes, theyll never win the sales battle, as Squeenix is a much larger company than either of those other two.
Dont get me wrong, sir - i'd actually like more than anything for their output to improve. i supported them throughout the PS3/360 gen, bought final fantasy xiii and xiii-2, along with drakengard 3, star ocean, nier.. Im part of those sales figures youre quoting (well, not lightning returns). But basically the only original content i enjoyed from them in the PS3 era was nier.
Edit: i stand corrected - i also loved bravely default. Final fantasy in all but name.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I pride myself on being critical of FF, and I think the series hasn't been it's "best" for a few years.
But I agree. I think the "worst" FF typically gives me an experience i'd ather have than most RPGs.
And I know... Because I buy RPGs from other companies all the time. They rarely have that "special sauce" that makes FF so great (for a counterpoint... Xenoblade did!)
I guess my feeling is that, for however much that SE faltered last generation, it's not like I really think other jRPG devs picked up the slack.
They all sucked a bit. FF was bad? Well, easy to praise Atlus when they released no Persona in the generation at all!
(And honestly as someone who owns/played every Persona game... Give me an FF any day of the week. Just my tastes, though I love the hell out of Persona anyway).
hersheyfan
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You do have a point about no persona being released in the PS360 era to date! Overlooked that.
Basically im just hoping that FFXV will be more in the vein of FFVI to IX as opposed to more of the Lightning-era stuff... From the cut of your jib, i suspect we're both buying at launch anyway (whenever that actually happens), regardless of quality. Haha!
Now lets quit hijacking this goddamn thread! :-D
Star Falcon
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After all these years, game will be the same letdown XIII was anyway
Alex_Mexico
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One of the most enjoyable GAF threads I've had the pleasure of stumbling upon. Truly the reason why it's been more than 8 years, and probably we'll reach 10, since this game was announced with no launch nearby is because they didn't care enough. This is the perfect example of Square's "bit more than they could chew" nonsense by announcing games that were way too early in development.
And you know what? They did it again last year with KH3. I'll be surprised if we see it before 2017.
In the time since FFXV was announced Naughty Dog has created a new IP, then created a whole trilogy, and then proceeded to create another AAA IP for which they won everything there is to win as a developer and then ported it a year later to PS4 whilst also announcing part 4 of that first new IP. If Uncharted 4 ends up launching before FFXV I'll never forgive them.
That company is ran by monkeys, I swear.
And you know what? They did it again last year with KH3. I'll be surprised if we see it before 2017.
In the time since FFXV was announced Naughty Dog has created a new IP, then created a whole trilogy, and then proceeded to create another AAA IP for which they won everything there is to win as a developer and then ported it a year later to PS4 whilst also announcing part 4 of that first new IP. If Uncharted 4 ends up launching before FFXV I'll never forgive them.
That company is ran by monkeys, I swear.
Duane Cunningham
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Yeah, I started dating my wife in 2006 too, after the FFVXII announcement. We dated four years, then got married, and now we have TWO kids.
Well you know Versus/XV would just steal the spotlight.
Reading this is depressing...
One World Trade Center 2006
One World Trade Center Today
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Damn i live in NY and its sad that the World trade( Freedom tower) is up and they still haven't released the damn game Dear lord
GAT damn, between this and the freedom tower being built in downtown manhattan SE should be ashamed of themselves and a new star wars comes out next year DECEMBER 18TH 2015 if they go past that dear lord please help them
This is tragic
Sure there were smartphones (of the Nokia variety and to a lesser extent PalmOS) - my first job out of college in 2003 we were discussing about using smartphone cameras to transmit pictures (I worked doing software at a car inspection company).
And as for another software-related thing - JQuery got released in August 2006 (shortly after the E3 '06 presentation where Versus was announced) and is now the most popular Javascript library ever, used on nearly every website imaginable.
I don't think you can really debate who the JRPG king is right now because there kind of isn't one. The whole genre is in crisis on consoles. Most of what get's released right now is niche. The closest thing we have to an RPG "king" on consoles is probably Bethesda.
On that note, since the announcement of Vs XIII Bethesda:
--released the PS3 version of Oblivion
--developed and released Fallout 3
--let Obsidian develop and release New Vegas
--developed and released Skyrim which has sold around 30 million copies and was a main inspiration for Lightning Returns FF XIII
Really, this is probably the main reason the game has taken so long to get done. It might not be a Daikatana or Duke Nukem Forever situation at all where a developer just keeps restarting parts of the game to stay on the bleeding edge for a decade. FFXV has probably been worked on by a skeleton crew for most of its development.
On that note, since the announcement of Vs XIII Bethesda:
--released the PS3 version of Oblivion
--developed and released Fallout 3
--let Obsidian develop and release New Vegas
--developed and released Skyrim which has sold around 30 million copies and was a main inspiration for Lightning Returns FF XIII
Really, this is probably the main reason the game has taken so long to get done. It might not be a Daikatana or Duke Nukem Forever situation at all where a developer just keeps restarting parts of the game to stay on the bleeding edge for a decade. FFXV has probably been worked on by a skeleton crew for most of its development.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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The latest Pokemon generation available when Versus XIII was announced is getting a full 3D remake for the 3DS in two months.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
It skipped the entire Bush administration and soon the (double term) Obama one too
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Namco-Bandai became a force for RPGs in North America.
PS2:
Tales of the Abyss (2006)
Xenosaga ep3 (2006)
DS:
Inuyasha: Secret of the Divine Jewel (2007)
Solatorobo (2011)
3DS:
Project X Zone (2012)
PSP:
Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology (2007)
Vita:
Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment (2014)
Tales of Hearts R (2014)
360:
Culdcept Saga (2008)
Tales of Vesperia (2008)
Wii:
Tales of Symphonia: DotNW (2008)
PS3:
Tales of Graces F (2012)
Ni no Kuni (2013)
Tales of Xillia (2013)
Tales of Symphonia + DotNW HD (2014)
Tales of Xillia 2 (2014)
Multiplatform:
Eternal Sonata (2007/2008)
Dark Souls (2011)
Dark Souls 2 (2014)
PS2:
Tales of the Abyss (2006)
Xenosaga ep3 (2006)
DS:
Inuyasha: Secret of the Divine Jewel (2007)
Solatorobo (2011)
3DS:
Project X Zone (2012)
PSP:
Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology (2007)
Vita:
Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment (2014)
Tales of Hearts R (2014)
360:
Culdcept Saga (2008)
Tales of Vesperia (2008)
Wii:
Tales of Symphonia: DotNW (2008)
PS3:
Tales of Graces F (2012)
Ni no Kuni (2013)
Tales of Xillia (2013)
Tales of Symphonia + DotNW HD (2014)
Tales of Xillia 2 (2014)
Multiplatform:
Eternal Sonata (2007/2008)
Dark Souls (2011)
Dark Souls 2 (2014)
3DimensionalAperture
Banned
I totally get why this is such a sad thing that it's 8 years since the game was announced and we don't even have legitimate pre-alpha footage, but it's also not that confounding. Nomura's been working on Kingdom Hearts games for the last 8 years. He can only direct so many titles at once, especially on a tight schedule. As far as mainline, major console FF games, Square Enix only releases them one at a time and wanted to focus on Toriyama's FF XIII series first since XIII was one of - if not the best selling FF game of all time. The game underwent a major change as they moved it up to next gen - that's not a switchflip. It takes years and years.
Amazing.
Err, no it isn't. Not even remotely close.
zoleristec
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Superman Returns was yet to be released. The reboot, Man of Steel, is now one year old.
KingJ2002
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Lionel Richie
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Clipse released arguably the hip hop album of the year, Hell Hath no Fury. Since then, Malice found God and changed his name to No Malice. It was produced by The Neptunes and thinking that was Pharrell makes it even weirder.
Crash had just won the oscar for best movie, beating out Brokeback Mountain in a huge upset.
Germany was hosting a World Cup, eventually losing at the semifinals.
Red Auerbach was still alive.
Saints Row, Gears of War, Resistance and Dead Rising were all released.
Crash had just won the oscar for best movie, beating out Brokeback Mountain in a huge upset.
Germany was hosting a World Cup, eventually losing at the semifinals.
Red Auerbach was still alive.
Saints Row, Gears of War, Resistance and Dead Rising were all released.
KingJ2002
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With Gears of War & Resistance concluding their main story lines.
SatoAilDarko
Member
In the eight years since the announcement there have been 101 weekly chapters of Hunter X Hunter. By the time the game comes out there may be 105.
This post is masterful. lol
On a similar note, there was a new Dragonball Z movie written into series canon by Akira Toriyama himself and released in Japanese theaters on March 30, 2013. It has since been localized and had a small theatrical release to good reception in west coast theaters. It was the first DBZ movie to be shown in IMAX theaters as well as being the first thing Toriyama's done with the property in 17 years.
beat
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The Beyond Good and Evil sequel's leaked target render is itself five-plus years old now.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Dr. Buni
Member
Mhmm
Alex_Mexico
Member
Most enjoyable NeoGAF thread in a long time. Don't let it die just yet!
In May of 2006 neither Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, Twitch or Pinterest either existed or were popular at all yet.
And yet FFXV hasn't come out yet.
In May of 2006 neither Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, Twitch or Pinterest either existed or were popular at all yet.
And yet FFXV hasn't come out yet.
Prototype Viktor
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In 2006 Elon Musk was only with around 1 billion or less. He's now with 11 billion
I started dating my wife in 2005. She was 15. She's now 24 and joined her family's business a few years back. We got married less than three weeks ago.
Still no FFXV. Let's see what comes first. FFXV or our first child?
We're waiting a few more years for that.
disastermouse
Banned
Maybe for eight or nine years after its release. That sounds fair.