this is my "Saturn" store in Germany
I've never seen a PS4 in store there waiting to be bought,
I bet they're a serious safety hazard out back. Someone might break their leg tripping over one of those things.
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Microsoft Earnings: 1.2 million Xbox One's shipped in Jan-Mar, 5.1M total (3.9+1.2)
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I bet they're a serious safety hazard out back. Someone might break their leg tripping over one of those things.
As that other poster said, apathy is killing them right now.
They just had deals everywhere with their biggest game included and it did nothing.
If price were the only factor, USA would be buying Wii-U's en masse. They don't.
DirtyLarry
Member
Sure it has already been mentioned, but the Day One XBox One is available again at Amazon.
So grab it if you want that Day 1 controller.
So grab it if you want that Day 1 controller.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I think price is a bullet point issue for sure but its just one of them. It's not the cork stopping XB1 from immense success right now. Every 3rd Party game is being advertised first for PS4 with either no mention of the XB1 title or just a footer logo in a ad for the game. Even if they get the price to be on the same level as PS4 the only people jumping at that deal are the Halo fans who if they are anything like Halo fans I know are waiting for the Halo 5 bundle.
gundamkyoukai
Member
They have not been asking for that for a while now .
A price cut could help them unless Sony undercuts them again , it's rather funny because it's another advantage MS had last gen going for them .
What sorcery is this?!
The question is do they drop to $449 + Kinect and hope Kinect is enough of a differentiator to warrant the extra $50 or $399 with or without Kinect and eat the losses?
From the looks of it, they're pretty screwed any route they take. At this point the best they can hope for this generation is sales parity with the PS4 in the US and perhaps UK and even that is looking shaky.
Uno Venova
Banned
yikes
Damn you made me LOFL in my room.
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Shit, i'm still laughing.
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Still laughing, Y2.
I believe MS will announce a Halo2A bundle this Fall, but Sony is going to announce a Destiny bundle. I'm interested to see how successful Watch Dogs is for Sony - they have the push and many gamers I know weren't even aware of XB1 versions of the above games.
MS bet it all on TF ... but gamers want "wow" graphics when "upgrading". I know Infamous is the only game I've seen that has that "wow" factor so far.
MS bet it all on TF ... but gamers want "wow" graphics when "upgrading". I know Infamous is the only game I've seen that has that "wow" factor so far.
You don't have to "look for deals". All you have to be is one of the millions of American familes that go to Target and/or Walmart on a weekly basis and see XBO for $349 with Titanfall thrown in your face. Then in your mind, the new price of XBO with a game needs to be $349 from then on.
Imperfected
Member
Price is an issue, but it's important not to try and pose it as the only issue. There were a lot of people who tried that line of reasoning with the Wii-U, and it rapidly became clear that the problems ran much deeper when even ridiculous firesale prices couldn't move the units.
Yep it's not one or two problems but a combination of them,
Higher Price
Weaker hardware
Worse performing multiplats (I have been saying this for a long time now. This is imho one of the biggest setbacks for MS as this was one of their core strengths last gen)
No early launch
PR blunders that left a bad impression among core gamers, who are the early buyers for these products
Poor management decisions at the top
Exclusives: Yes they have done well so far but they needed Halo2anniversary at launch imo. Would have been more impactful
A Nintendo system is not worth $300 to most consumers. A Nintendo system has never been priced at higher than $250. Price is indeed still a factor here. When you have a system that survives almost entirely on first party output, you can't be charging $300 with last-gen specs for it.
It can't even play DVD's so its value outside of first party gaming and the few exclusive and multiplatform third party games that are out for it are not enough to justify $300 for most consumers.
CadetMahoney
Member
PS4 definitely has the mindshare this time around. That's going to be very hard for MS to change.
FonkyByNature
Member
Sucks for MS but you know what ? they got what they asked for.
When comparing both Xbox One and PS4 and having to chose one of them. The choice right now is very easy, PS4. Why ? Cheaper, nicer, smaller, way faster, more powerful, international presence, PS+, indies and promising future based on their track record.
Microsoft on the other hand ? huge ugly console, huge power brick, giant cables, Kinect is way too big and looks ugly close to the TV, UI is a complete mess and this is Microsoft we're talking about, the biggest software company in the world, the system is too slow and not responsive when using the controller, installs take way too much time compared to the blazing fast PS4 all that without talking about the underpowered hardware and weak first party titles.
I can't believe MS came into this market with the Xbox One and thought they would have a great impact or even more laughable, dominate the video game market. The system other than its great games like Killer Instinct and Titanfall is a big fucking joke. Last gen they were lucky Sony gave them the free pass and even then PS3 sold better worldwide. This gen, it's not gonna be the same for MS. They need to work hard for that dollar or people will just leave because they can. No Halo or Gears will save them this time.
When comparing both Xbox One and PS4 and having to chose one of them. The choice right now is very easy, PS4. Why ? Cheaper, nicer, smaller, way faster, more powerful, international presence, PS+, indies and promising future based on their track record.
Microsoft on the other hand ? huge ugly console, huge power brick, giant cables, Kinect is way too big and looks ugly close to the TV, UI is a complete mess and this is Microsoft we're talking about, the biggest software company in the world, the system is too slow and not responsive when using the controller, installs take way too much time compared to the blazing fast PS4 all that without talking about the underpowered hardware and weak first party titles.
I can't believe MS came into this market with the Xbox One and thought they would have a great impact or even more laughable, dominate the video game market. The system other than its great games like Killer Instinct and Titanfall is a big fucking joke. Last gen they were lucky Sony gave them the free pass and even then PS3 sold better worldwide. This gen, it's not gonna be the same for MS. They need to work hard for that dollar or people will just leave because they can. No Halo or Gears will save them this time.
Best not to make baseless claims like this while the mods are here dude.
I'm pretty sure I just read that the Wii was in first place by about 20 million units for last gen.
Codeblew
Member
Honestly, 500gb is fine, at least on the PS4. If you need to free up some space, just delete games you are not planning to play anytime soon. Reinstalling them is fast and painless. Got to love playgo or whatever it is called.
MS wasn't in the gaming industry for the PS1 days watching Sony have to break into a realm held by SEGA and Nintendo and dominating. I really think they just had no idea what a focused SONY was capable of delivering and the "8GB GDDR5" announcement probably had them scrambling, knowing that what they were going to be releasing wasn't on that level. Starting the PR spin of "we didn't go for the top-level graphics. We took a more balanced approach"
They saw an early struggling PS3 and started work on their 360 successor, but didn't seem to notice when the PS3 pulled back to neck-and-neck worldwide during the last few years. I guess they thought Sony was still on a downward spiral from the PS3 launch.
This. It's only a matter of time before people stop caring about Xbox One in North America & wind up settling themselves on purchasing a PS4 instead. Increasing the price tag back to $500 was stupid.
NPD is for US only. 360 is now ahead of the Wii in the US.
Sometimes we like to sip coffee and laugh. It's not all banhammers and screaming.
BigSpleenRupture
Banned
lol.
Ah, thank you. Reading comprehension FTW.
to me fair he did say WW
Mugatu
Member
I would have agreed with you but just this week I got an e-mail about exceeding my datacap with Cox - I didn't even know they had them. ISPs are going to start being dicks with excessive downloads, at least it seems that way or it is possible.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Drop Kinect. It won't get you first place, that horse is out of the barn. But it will keep you closer.
All regions of the world are looking like a blood bath. Drop Kinect and maybe at least one of them won't be (it will still trail, though).
All regions of the world are looking like a blood bath. Drop Kinect and maybe at least one of them won't be (it will still trail, though).
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
1.2 million shipped is not much.
I think he means reinstalling from physical media. Anyone with an ISP cap doesn't need to be delving into digital download gaming. One of the many reasons physical media is here to stay for a long, long time.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
Not very hard. Impossible, based on historical trends. The only console I'm aware of that started out "winning" (not just installed base, but also monthly sales and mindshare) but eventually lost to the competition is the Genesis/MegaDrive. I don't see a repeat of that situation between PS4 and X1.
Plus, console manufacturers aren't just competing against one another. They're fighting against macro-economic conditions as well as (what I perceive to be) a general decline in console gaming. They'll be fighting over a pie that's smaller than last gen, and at this point I can see X1 pulling in no more than 35m, tops.
SwiftDeath
Member
Thanks for the insight into Foxconn. I would've thought they couldn't simply turn off an assembly line that easily but I suppose that would be why they are so used by the industry at large if they are so flexible.
What? I'm saying that MS likely sold around 1.2M through to consumers in Calender Q1
If MS said they sold 1.2M through to consumers in calendar Q1 then analysts would see 4.2M sold WW instead of 5M sold even though the 5M is sold-in
MS would choose to use the bigger number
Eh I'm bearish on the PS4's continued perfromance this year before the library is obviously strong when viewed by your average consumers. When it has Watch Dogs and Destiny and GTAV Port etc. That's just me though
Meh I don't really believe mort's MS contact would be spreading misinformation in that case. 4.5M is not that much better than 4.2M imo
See here
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=109382203&highlight=#post109382203
I disagree. If MS gave us sold-through numbers we'd have sold-through numbers and could compare directly with Sony. 5M > 4.2M
I could see XB1 WW LTD being less than 4M up to the end of March as my post I linked shows as much but mort's tweet makes me think otherwise tbh
Mugatu
Member
Oh I see - you're right - sorry, my bad.
Didn't you read? He just read last NPD that WW numbers had 360 in front. How is that baseless? He read it, obviously it's true.
RealityPales
Member
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Is this post for real, or a joke post? Huge ugly console? Giant cables? UI a complete mess? It's almost like you've never used an Xbone! Also, console us sexy as fuck IMO!
FonkyByNature
Member
Pretty much. They underestimated Sony too much with Sony having financial problems and all that but i'm happy people voted with their wallets this time, not that Xbox One is a bad system, i have one with 5 games but PS4 is simply way better.
PS4 is an amazing system, Sony always brought the games more than any other company and their systems have a very long life on the market which is all things consumers like a lot and gives confidence in buying Sony stuff.
Glorified G
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Imperfected
Member
There are still quite a few efficiency costs incurred by drawing down production, but it's a more flexible situation than it was a decade ago. The production costs from reducing orders now is more in line with other associated costs (missing out on bulk-order deals on materials, components, and shipping, etc.).
It's still a situation you don't want to be in, though. The likely situation is that they have a new build model planned for production starting in a few months (not necessarily a truly new SKU, just a new production model), so if they can stop production early and just sell through their existing stockpile in the interim the loss of cost efficiency becomes very small.
If they don't, and they're having to draw down production with nothing new in the pipe... whelp. "That sucks," I suppose is a pretty solid analysis.
This is not what the world looks like.
And that is a really narrow-minded view to have.
That is making the huge assumption that non-US sales remained at the same proportion.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
this is my "Saturn" store in Germany
I've never seen a PS4 in store there waiting to be bought,
I bet they're a serious safety hazard out back. Someone might break their leg tripping over one of those things.
That's why European law dictates they be stacked three-high, and no lower.
FonkyByNature
Member
haha nice try, i have both Xbox One and a PS4 at home. want proof ? send me a PM and i'll gladly send you a pic of my setup.
I like beautiful classy designs and i always compare the electronics i buy because i'm a customer and want the best. PS4 when compared to the Xbox One is simply way more professionally built and looks classy/premium. That's why you got products like the iPhone which is praised for its look and classiness, people love beautiful things. The Xbox One is not one of them. I know MS and hardware don't go well together but even then, to every person i showed the Xbox One, the comments are all the same, big and ugly and "what the hell is that thing in front of the tv" when talking about kinect.
You're both right considering it's a matter of opinion. The Xbox is bigger though, that part is a fact.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Made me laugh anyway.
Doesn't them launching in the rest of the world this year prove that Sony caught them off guard with this-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g82C4Nu_Jq8
And they weren't suppose to launch in 2013? Sony is going to have a huge lead by the time September comes. Not that those extra markets are significant to sales imo.
Heh, look at this
http://www.playstationing.com/ps4/cerny-ps4-8gb-gddr5-ram-was-decided-in-very-final-meeting/375
FonkyByNature
Member
Of course it's a matter of opinion. I think the Xbox One is not as nice as the PS4. To most people i've talked gaming with, "The Xbox One is ugly" is a popular one.
And yes the UI is a complete mess. When i gave the Xbox One controller to my friends who's new to the One. Finding the system settings, party and all those useful "apps" is not easy, unless you talk to your Kinect.
Who knows that you can find your system settings under "games and app"-"apps" (ok settings is an app now lol) and then scroll to the huge squares to settings. That's definitely not intuitive, sorry.
Oppo
Member
and here I thought it was all of the above, simultaneously