There was a legit point in there but yeah the rest of that post was LOL.
The driver-side window is reflecting the speedometer, but not the hand of the speedometer.
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There was a legit point in there but yeah the rest of that post was LOL.
The driver-side window is reflecting the speedometer, but not the hand of the speedometer.
I think the same way and I've never heard other people say them.
It's evident it gives people this impression.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
Off topic: Why do you only refer to yourself and others by screen name rather than "I" and "you"? I'm pretty sure people have been banned for using similar gimmicks. I'm also pretty sure other users have mentioned that fact to you in the past, so I'm probably wasting my breath.
On topic: Game looks amazing. It's gone from a "pass" to a "buy" for me. And I'm not a huge racing fan. But who can pass up a graphical showpiece like this?
Yeah, I'm not a racing fan at all but since there's a PS+ version of this I'm looking forward to playing it just for the visuals.
Forza never used "X" trees. Theres no "X" trees in FM5. Simple as that.
is this cheap?
and this?
Prague builds are on par with the reality. You guys want so hard to find something wrong with FM5 that dont even think about doing some basic research before spreading bullshit
The builds looks flat in Forza, because THEY ARE FLAT in real-life. Its part of the city architecture..
AranhaHunter
Banned
I thought so too at first, but then I thought, "Man this will get old REAL fast". Not sure, I would have to have time with the game and play it to see.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
One week till next video?
travisbickle
Member
You've lost the plot mate. Buildings are flat now?
Wishmaster92
Member
rofl! how come the comparison gif has driveclub smooth as silk while forza is struggling?
oh manD
Don't mind that, i wanted to make it the same size as that driveclub gif but i had to cut the framerate from 30 to 16 and it still ended up being 18mb.
Yeah, there was no way i could've made that gif 30fps. It would have been double the size.
mangochutney
Member
You missed the bit where I said there are some good trees in Forza, then, I see.Forza never used "X" trees. Theres no "X" trees in FM5. Simple as that.
is this cheap?
and this?
Prague builds are on par with the reality. You guys want so hard to find something wrong with FM5 that dont even think about doing some basic research before spreading bullshit
The builds looks flat in Forza, because THEY ARE FLAT in real-life. Its part of the city architecture..
By flat I meant missing the ridges and lips, not as in straight rather than circular buildings. Perhaps this is the lighting differences shining through in that Forza doesn't present the ridges well enough. And again, I said some - not all. So you cannot just pick out just one random image you like the look of to prove something. It wasn't a casting damnation of Forza. Merely there some elements are not on a-par with what I see on a consistent level in competing titles.
So please do take the time to read all of the words I write, as they all matter.
Metalmurphy
Member
Forza never used "X" trees. Theres no "X" trees in FM5. Simple as that.
is this cheap?
and this?
Prague builds are on par with the reality. You guys want so hard to find something wrong with FM5 that dont even think about doing some basic research before spreading bullshit
The builds looks flat in Forza, because THEY ARE FLAT in real-life. Its part of the city architecture..
Well that's a load of shit.
Also nice try downplaying DC trees. They're not even in the same league. DC trees are more detailed then ones you'd see in WRPGs n shit.
Fucking, individual, tree branches... Nough said.
Oh and yes, this is very cheap,
when compared to something like this:
I mean, why even try to argue? It's a 30fps game on a more powerfull system vs a 60fps on a less powerful system. Of course DC is going to run circles around Forza graphics wise.
Wishmaster92
Member
Right on point. Maybe it's because of the laser scan method in forza 5? I don't know what drive club is using. I also find the lighting in drive club better.
Glorified G
Member
It's always funny seeing fanboys calling out other fanboys. Bullshit is bad unless it's made in favor of your corporation of choice.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Well that's a load of shit.
Also nice try downplaying DC trees. They're not even in the same league. DC trees are more detailed then ones you'd see in WRPGs n shit.
Fucking, individual, tree branches... Nough said.
Oh and yes, this is very cheap,
when compared to something like this:
I mean, why even try to argue? It's a 30fps game on a more powerfull system vs a 60fps on a less powerful system. Of course DC is going to run circles around Forza graphics wise.
I'm downplaying? the guys said Forza uses "X" trees, and even your pictures shows that they are not "X" trees. Are you sure I'm downplaying here? lol. DC thread, people posting bullshits about Forza. Tell me who is downplaying?
Please link me to threads where MS fans are bullshitting other platform games as i'm constantly seeing in MS game threads and even here in a PS4 game thread.
Metalmurphy
Member
Are you blind? You post a comparison saying "and this?" and they're not even close. That's downplaying. Forzas ones may not be an X (2 2d planes) tree but they're not even in the same league as DC ones and yet you tried to put them on the same page. You can easily tell just how many flat 2D planes there are on the Forza trees. Need me to draw them down for you?
Oh and for the record, you said "Forza never used "X" trees.", which is bullshit.
So I want to be truthful, is it bad that I think Forza 5 looks a little nicer than DriveClub? I legitimately have no big reason why, but a couple of ideas : the colors pop out more, the reflections on the car are really nice, the environments are more populated with people, the motion blur looks cool.
The lighting in DC is certainly better, there are tons of jaggies from that video though which worries me.
The lighting in DC is certainly better, there are tons of jaggies from that video though which worries me.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Oh shit. Hide yo wife hide yo kids. It's the battle of the trees.
How dare you think that
FM5 looks much much better imo, shame it doesn't have night racing
reezoo
Member
Forza never used "X" trees. Theres no "X" trees in FM5. Simple as that.
is this cheap?
and this?
Prague builds are on par with the reality. You guys want so hard to find something wrong with FM5 that dont even think about doing some basic research before spreading bullshit
The builds looks flat in Forza, because THEY ARE FLAT in real-life. Its part of the city architecture..
Forza looks like something with a lot of last gen assets, while DC is doing things out of last gen league.
Metalmurphy
Member
Why would it be bad? Couple of points though, different tracks so pointless comparison on the more populated enviroment, compare F5 Laguna Seca with DC Canada one and the roles reverse. AA is being address supposedly, its on the OP.
Oh the irony.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
Actually, no. That's extremely biased.
JackAubrey
Member
Surely if you're building a game to run at 60fps vs 30fps there's going to be a trade-off in scene complexity.
DC is going for being as pretty as possible at 30fps with sim-lite handling.
Forza is going for being as pretty as possible at 60fps with a detailed physics model.
The result is always going to be a win for screenshots of the 30fps game even if they were running on the same hardware. I'd be really shocked if screens from DC weren't prettier and more detailed than single Forza ones.
I'm really looking forward to playing both. Forza more than DC as I've not enjoyed an Evos game much since they stopped developing the amazing WRC franchise. If I put some effort in I might get worked up over the car models, but trees? Nah.
/has both games pre-ordered.
DC is going for being as pretty as possible at 30fps with sim-lite handling.
Forza is going for being as pretty as possible at 60fps with a detailed physics model.
The result is always going to be a win for screenshots of the 30fps game even if they were running on the same hardware. I'd be really shocked if screens from DC weren't prettier and more detailed than single Forza ones.
I'm really looking forward to playing both. Forza more than DC as I've not enjoyed an Evos game much since they stopped developing the amazing WRC franchise. If I put some effort in I might get worked up over the car models, but trees? Nah.
/has both games pre-ordered.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
I do like that next gen has devolved into talking about which trees are better
As I mentioned earlier, it's a really tough comparison, in that comparison gif, it's a much darker time of day in DC, the cars are completely different and yeah the Audi is much more boring to look at from behind, there isn't anywhere near as much vertical crap to reflect off the body in DC, the city is great for forza because the draw distances are minuscule, and the thing that strikes me as odd, is that when using a pre-baked solution, you should be able to cast the "ideal" light and it should look picture perfect, yet the lighting in Forza for not being GI and taxing looks bad.
The only way we'll ever get down to the nitty gritty of car models is if we can get the same car to appear in both games (which I'm sure will happen). I have a feeling the IQ on the cars is going to be similar because in my opinion were way past the point of diminishing returns on vehicles. The fact that the body's of the cars don't need to move or create expressions goes a long way into solidifying the diminish.
As I mentioned earlier, it's a really tough comparison, in that comparison gif, it's a much darker time of day in DC, the cars are completely different and yeah the Audi is much more boring to look at from behind, there isn't anywhere near as much vertical crap to reflect off the body in DC, the city is great for forza because the draw distances are minuscule, and the thing that strikes me as odd, is that when using a pre-baked solution, you should be able to cast the "ideal" light and it should look picture perfect, yet the lighting in Forza for not being GI and taxing looks bad.
The only way we'll ever get down to the nitty gritty of car models is if we can get the same car to appear in both games (which I'm sure will happen). I have a feeling the IQ on the cars is going to be similar because in my opinion were way past the point of diminishing returns on vehicles. The fact that the body's of the cars don't need to move or create expressions goes a long way into solidifying the diminish.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
Pretty sure DC devs have said they're also aiming for 60fps.
I hate jumping in on Forza versus DC debates but I think they're a good comparison of sometimes better tech does not equate better end result graphics. I am not saying I think Drive Club looks bad in any way, I personally prefer the emphasis on lighting, but I can definitely see why people could prefer the look of Forza. Forza is taking a lot of last gen effects and putting them in 1080p/60fps with high amounts of AA. These are all things we're used to looking for in visuals so they're going to be noticed more. Stuff like real time lighting in Drive Club isn't as readily apparent, although it streamlines development and adds a considerable amount of verisimilitude to the scene. I think a lot of early next gen games may get flak like Drive Club does for pushing the first iteration of high processing powered tech out of the gate. Games in the first year of next gen are going to be getting these things in place so they can build on them and optimize them in future releases. It'll pay off down the line even if the first game suffers somewhat.
Metalmurphy
Member
It's not going to happen.
That will be really interesting to see how mainstream react to both game in store at launch. I already expressed great concern that Drive Club put the cursor too much on the "tech achievement" and not enough on the simple eye candy fest.
Would be terribly unfair if in the end people are like "but Forza look more colorful and pretty" but it's not impossible.
And again, this may seem like small geek fights, but believe me when i'm telling, this will count. Direct comparison of games in store will count a lot for a new console launch.
JackAubrey
Member
I don't think it's going to happen, but I would be delighted if it did.
Even then we're still comparing two different types of games that despite external appearances have a different approach under the hood.
Forza is always going to struggle in a fight where we are merely comparing graphical detail against another game that doesn't have a similar simulation focus.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Let's not go nuts. None of us have played the final game yet.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Absolutely spot on, Sir. And you used 'verisimilitude'! I love that word
CassidyIzABeast
Member
wtf happened on this page?
Windom Earle
Member
Wasn't this thread doing fine until somebody felt the need to make a stupid .gif comparison of completely different cars/tracks/lighting conditions?
Anyway, just saw the new vid. Really looks amazing. This game is shaping up nicely, my only concerns left are handling and framerate.
Anyway, just saw the new vid. Really looks amazing. This game is shaping up nicely, my only concerns left are handling and framerate.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I'd say it's 'unlikely' considering all the incredible tech on display here. I think it's best to assume it's going to be 30fps with their first game and 60fps with their next game. I'm more than happy with this ... it looks remarkable (if you don't take what you are looking at for granted)
Glorified G
Member
Even if I went out of my way to show you those links you would argue against it anyway since you're so entrenched in the MS fanboy camp. It's like that crazy sports fan who thinks the refs are biased against his favorite team because of blown calls when every other team
goes through the exact same thing. The fan doesn't notice because he only has emotional attatchment to his favorite team.
Don't you see that you're are accusing others of cheerleading and you're doing the exact same thing as well?
JackAubrey
Member
My main concern is the tracks in DC. They look lovely in terms of detail and lighting. But as racing circuits I've yet to be wowed. As others have said, they seem like simple oval variations.
Thinking about some of those amazing point to point courses in WRC Evolved I'm hoping sooner or later we'll see next-gen versions of ribbons like these.
R3TRODYCE
Member
Shit got real.
X trees and Plastic cars??? :/
Why can't people accept that Forza wins in frame rate...and physics (but thats a game design decision), thats obvious.
DC wins in everything graphics (assuming realism is the measure), its pretty clear. Putting the two screen shots next to each other and backing away, DCs style looks like its gunning for realism, T10s looks to be gunning for, I dont even know how to say it...very pretty video game with some realism style?? :/
Its in the lighting and coloring, its like T10 is using airbrushed color enhanced photos, while DC is using a photo with natural light and color. T10s certainly has more 'pop' to their graphics, its like everything is powerwashed and painted and the sun is brighter than ever, perfect day stuff...which is great for them. DC looks like it looks when I drive.
I can't explain it well in words...both look like shining examples of what they want to be, but DC's lack of frame rate is being put to good use elsewhere.
...god I can't make this make sense....did I..a little perhaps ??
Red Chocobo
Banned
I don't see the point of all this Forza 5 vs Drive Club stuff.
Gran Turismo 6 will sell more then both of those combined. They are just fighting for second place.
JackAubrey
Member
Edit: Stupid post I've thought better of.
I'm leaning this way also.