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Nintendo Paid Online Services Include Free NES/SNES Game Every Month (for that month)

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Afrodium

Banned
I always found it funny when people said that making a powerhouse console would save Nintendo. People anyways seem to forget how mind bogglingly stupid Nintendo is when it comes to basic online functionality and general features that consumers expect in a videogame console. Horsepower is like the least of their problems.
 
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Grim Patron

Member
chancellor said:
People will pay the sub for the online. The free games won't really matter.

Also ps plus and Xbox live give more games but they are hardly ever that good. One good game from the nes/snes library will beat quantity.
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Wedzi

Banned
HotHamBoy said:
Actually, with GWG it's yours forever, even if you don't resub.

PS Plus services three consoles. That's 6 games a month, many of whuch are cross buy so you mught get 4-5 games on PS4 or Vita one month alone (this month, in fact).

They've given out everything from NBA2k17 half a year after release to Rocket League on launch day.
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Only for the 360 games. For Xbox One games it works like PS Plus
 
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brandonh83

Banned
Wedzi said:
I mean this could turn into list wars really fast but I'll give it a crack in one word, emulation.
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My only point is that we're calling it a bad proposition when I feel like it's more of a... I'll get back to you in a couple years regarding it. Like I don't really know how it's going to go. The fee could be cheaper, they could revise things, there could be enough great games to justify paying online-- these are all things I don't know, and I'm not here to act like I can predict the future.
 
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MrBadger

Member
chancellor said:
People will pay the sub for the online. The free games won't really matter.

Also ps plus and Xbox live give more games but they are hardly ever that good. One good game from the nes/snes library will beat quantity.
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I agree with the sentiment of the first part.

But come the fuck on, they're giving you a short demo of a game that's over 20 years old.
 
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chancellor

Member
Apathy said:
Man that justification. Can't wait till the monthly game is street fighter 2010 or silver surfer
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If I pay the sub, I will be paying for splatoon or mario kart online. i won't care if the game is rubbish. The games on these online services are just there to give the image of value for something that should be given for free.
 
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Lothars

Member
HotHamBoy said:
Actually, with GWG it's yours forever, even if you don't resub.
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That's only true for 360 games, that is not true for xbox one games.

Regardless this is sounding like a really bad deal that nintendo is providing.


chancellor said:
If I pay the sub, I will be paying for splatoon or mario kart online. i won't care if the game is rubbish. The games on these online services are just there to give the image of value for something that should be given for free.
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Nintendo is not doing themselves any favors on this though, They are pretty unproven when it comes to online and the online infrastructure they have had has been consistently terrible.
 
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plagiarize

Banned
This is genuinely insulting.

Unless the service is half the price of their competitors, anyways. XBL Gold gives people one (Xbox 360) game to keep forever each month. A game that is at least a decade newer than what the Switch is going to let people play for one paltry month.
 
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brandonh83

Banned
Afrodium said:
I always found it funny when people said that making a powerhouse console would save Nintendo. People anyways seem to forget how mind bogglingly stupid Nintendo is when it comes to basic online functionality and general features that consumers expect in a videogame console. Horsepower is like the least of their problems.
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If Nintendo made a powerhouse console they'd complain about having to pay $400+ for a Nintendo system and another online monthly fee on top of the others they're already paying for. :p
 
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TetraGenesis

Member
brandonh83 said:
I get that but I've been paying for online since 2005, paid for Sony's so I'm not really waving a shame finger at Nintendo.
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And just paying for online alone is no longer worth it. It was always a bad deal but at least Sony, then Microsoft, began offering generous incentives to give it value.

The fact that Nintendo is hopping on the greed train without willing to pay the price of admission (free licenses for multiple new and recent games) is absolutely worth a waving of the shame finger.

Not be willing to says a lot about one's irrational allegiance.
 
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Wedzi

Banned
brandonh83 said:
My only point is that we're calling it a bad proposition when I feel like it's more of a... I'll get back to you in a couple years regarding it. Like I don't really know how it's going to go. The fee could be cheaper, they could revise things, there could be enough great games to justify paying online-- these are all things I don't know, and I'm not here to act like I can predict the future.
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Very true. And the same goes for all of us really (hell I think we're heading for a 3DS type relaunch, maybe another ambassador program type thing) but all we can do is talk about what we're being told now and it's not exactly great compared to the rest of the market. But I feel where you're coming from.
 
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HotHamBoy

Member
Here is a list of PS Plus games given out during 2016 alone:

yyyy.mm.dd Game Platform Retail
2016.12.06 Stories: The Path of Destinies PS4
2016.12.06 Invisible, Inc. PS4
2016.12.06 Hyper Void PS4/PS3
2016.12.06 Tiny Troopers Joint Ops PS4/PS3/Vita ✓
2016.12.06 Color Guardians PS4/Vita
2016.12.06 VVVVVV Vita
2016.11.01 Everybody’s Gone to the Rapture PS4
2016.11.01 The Deadly Tower of Monsters PS4
2016.11.01 DiRT 3 PS3 ✓
2016.11.01 Costume Quest 2 PS3
2016.11.01 Letter Quest Remastered PS4/Vita
2016.11.01 Pumped BMX+ PS4/PS3/Vita
2016.10.04 Resident Evil PS4
2016.10.04 Transformers: Devastation PS4PS3 ✓
2016.10.04 Mad Riders PS3
2016.10.04 From Dust PS3
2016.10.04 Code:Realize - Guardian of Rebirth Vita ✓
2016.10.04 Actual Sunlight Vita
2016.09.06 Lords of the Fallen PS4 ✓
2016.09.06 Journey PS4PS3 ✓
2016.09.06 Badland PS4PS3Vita
2016.09.06 Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands PS3 ✓
2016.09.06 Datura PS3
2016.09.06 Amnesia: Memories Vita
2016.08.02 Tricky Towers PS4
2016.08.02 Rebel Galaxy PS4
2016.08.02 Yakuza 5 PS3
2016.08.02 Retro/Grade PS3
2016.08.02 Patapon 3 VitaPSP ✓
2016.08.02 Ultratron PS4PS3Vita
2016.07.05 Furi PS4
2016.07.05 Saint's Row: Gat Out of Hell PS4 ✓
2016.07.05 Oreshika: Tainted Bloodlines Vita ✓
2016.07.05 Prince of Persia: Revelation VitaPSP ✓
2016.07.05 Fat Princess PS3
2016.07.05 Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood PS3 ✓
2016.06.07 NBA 2K16 PS4 ✓
2016.06.07 Gone Home PS4
2016.06.07 Little Deviants Vita ✓
2016.06.07 God of War: Chains of Olympus VitaPSP ✓
2016.06.07 Siren: Blood Curse PS3
2016.06.07 Echochrome PS3
2016.05.03 Tropico 5 PS4 ✓
2016.05.03 Table Top Racing: World Tour PS4
2016.05.03 Switch Galaxy Ultra PS4Vita
2016.05.03 God of War: Ghost of Sparta VitaPSP ✓
2016.05.03 LocoRoco Cocoreccho! PS3
2016.05.03 Bionic Commando Rearmed PS3
2016.04.05 Dead Star PS4
2016.04.05 Zombi PS4 ✓
2016.04.05 Shutshimi Vita
2016.04.05 A Virus named Tom Vita
2016.04.05 I am Alive PS3
2016.04.05 Savage Moon PS3
2016.03.01 Broforce PS4
2016.03.01 Galak-Z PS4
2016.03.01 Flame Over Vita
2016.03.01 Reality Fighters Vita ✓
2016.03.01 Super Stardust HD PS3
2016.03.01 The Last Guy PS3
2016.02.02 Helldivers: Democracy Strikes Back PS4 Vita PS3 ✓
2016.02.02 Nom Nom Galaxy PS4
2016.02.02 Nova-111 Vita
2016.02.02 Lemmings Touch Vita
2016.02.02 Persona 4 Arena Ultimax PS3 ✓
2016.02.02 Grid Autosport PS3 ✓
2016.01.05 Hardware: Rivals PS4
2016.01.05 Grim Fandango Remastered PS4 Vita
2016.01.05 Nihilumbra Vita
2016.01.05 History Legends of War: Patton Vita
2016.01.05 Dragon Age: Origins PS3 ✓
2016.01.05 Medal of Honor: Warfighter PS3 ✓
 
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theWB27

Member
brandonh83 said:
My only point is that we're calling it a bad proposition when I feel like it's more of a... I'll get back to you in a couple years regarding it. Like I don't really know how it's going to go. The fee could be cheaper, they could revise things, there could be enough great games to justify paying online-- these are all things I don't know, and I'm not here to act like I can predict the future.
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They aren't going to not have you pay for online until that time comes. So you gotta judge it when you start paying for it. Revisiting it in a couple years won't change what it started with.
 
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plagiarize

Banned
Lothars said:
That's only true for 360 games, that is not true for xbox one games.

Regardless this is sounding like a really bad deal that nintendo is providing.
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If we're comparing the value of one random 360 game to the value of one random NES/SNES game, I think it's higher value. Even if you got to keep the NES game it still wouldn't be *worth* as much to me.

You might disagree, but there's no way Nintendo are going to sell Gamecube or Wii games on the VC for the same price they sell SNES games (remembering that they sell N64 games for more). So they obviously think more recent games are more valuable.
 
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Apathy

Member
plagiarize said:
This is genuinely insulting.

Unless the service is half the price of their competitors, anyways. XBL Gold gives people one (Xbox 360) game to keep forever each month. A game that is at least a decade newer than what the Switch is going to let people play for one paltry month.
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The official price of live/plus is like 60 isn't it? There is no way in hell 1 30 year old game for a month is worth $30 a year.
 
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Cess007

Member
HotHamBoy said:
Here is a list of PS Plus games given out during 2016 alone:

yyyy.mm.dd Game Platform Retail
2016.12.06 Stories: The Path of Destinies PS4
2016.12.06 Invisible, Inc. PS4
2016.12.06 Hyper Void PS4/PS3
2016.12.06 Tiny Troopers Joint Ops PS4/PS3/Vita ✓
2016.12.06 Color Guardians PS4/Vita
2016.12.06 VVVVVV Vita
2016.11.01 Everybody’s Gone to the Rapture PS4
2016.11.01 The Deadly Tower of Monsters PS4
2016.11.01 DiRT 3 PS3 ✓
2016.11.01 Costume Quest 2 PS3
2016.11.01 Letter Quest Remastered PS4/Vita
2016.11.01 Pumped BMX+ PS4/PS3/Vita
2016.10.04 Resident Evil PS4
2016.10.04 Transformers: Devastation PS4PS3 ✓
2016.10.04 Mad Riders PS3
2016.10.04 From Dust PS3
2016.10.04 Code:Realize - Guardian of Rebirth Vita ✓
2016.10.04 Actual Sunlight Vita
2016.09.06 Lords of the Fallen PS4 ✓
2016.09.06 Journey PS4PS3 ✓
2016.09.06 Badland PS4PS3Vita
2016.09.06 Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands PS3 ✓
2016.09.06 Datura PS3
2016.09.06 Amnesia: Memories Vita
2016.08.02 Tricky Towers PS4
2016.08.02 Rebel Galaxy PS4
2016.08.02 Yakuza 5 PS3
2016.08.02 Retro/Grade PS3
2016.08.02 Patapon 3 VitaPSP ✓
2016.08.02 Ultratron PS4PS3Vita
2016.07.05 Furi PS4
2016.07.05 Saint's Row: Gat Out of Hell PS4 ✓
2016.07.05 Oreshika: Tainted Bloodlines Vita ✓
2016.07.05 Prince of Persia: Revelation VitaPSP ✓
2016.07.05 Fat Princess PS3
2016.07.05 Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood PS3 ✓
2016.06.07 NBA 2K16 PS4 ✓
2016.06.07 Gone Home PS4
2016.06.07 Little Deviants Vita ✓
2016.06.07 God of War: Chains of Olympus VitaPSP ✓
2016.06.07 Siren: Blood Curse PS3
2016.06.07 Echochrome PS3
2016.05.03 Tropico 5 PS4 ✓
2016.05.03 Table Top Racing: World Tour PS4
2016.05.03 Switch Galaxy Ultra PS4Vita
2016.05.03 God of War: Ghost of Sparta VitaPSP ✓
2016.05.03 LocoRoco Cocoreccho! PS3
2016.05.03 Bionic Commando Rearmed PS3
2016.04.05 Dead Star PS4
2016.04.05 Zombi PS4 ✓
2016.04.05 Shutshimi Vita
2016.04.05 A Virus named Tom Vita
2016.04.05 I am Alive PS3
2016.04.05 Savage Moon PS3
2016.03.01 Broforce PS4
2016.03.01 Galak-Z PS4
2016.03.01 Flame Over Vita
2016.03.01 Reality Fighters Vita ✓
2016.03.01 Super Stardust HD PS3
2016.03.01 The Last Guy PS3
2016.02.02 Helldivers: Democracy Strikes Back PS4 Vita PS3 ✓
2016.02.02 Nom Nom Galaxy PS4
2016.02.02 Nova-111 Vita
2016.02.02 Lemmings Touch Vita
2016.02.02 Persona 4 Arena Ultimax PS3 ✓
2016.02.02 Grid Autosport PS3 ✓
2016.01.05 Hardware: Rivals PS4
2016.01.05 Grim Fandango Remastered PS4 Vita
2016.01.05 Nihilumbra Vita
2016.01.05 History Legends of War: Patton Vita
2016.01.05 Dragon Age: Origins PS3 ✓
2016.01.05 Medal of Honor: Warfighter PS3 ✓
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According to some here, they are not good and a NES game (any NES game it seems) can beat them in quality.
 
Interfectum

Interfectum

Member
brandonh83 said:
If Nintendo made a powerhouse console they'd complain about having to pay $400+ for a Nintendo system and another online monthly fee on top of the others they're already paying for. :p
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Not really... this isn't about people picking on poor Nintendo. The fact they remove the 'free' game after the month is up when their competitors do not makes them stick out in a bad way. No one is looking for reasons to complain about Nintendo, they are just making themselves easy targets.
 
Trogdor1123

Trogdor1123

Gold Member
Apathy said:
The official price of live/plus is like 60 isn't it? There is no way in hell 1 30 year old game for a month is worth $30 a year.
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You are forgetting that they have given you the ability to use your own phone to use an app they developed and chat on it. Value!
 
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brandonh83

Banned
theWB27 said:
They aren't going to not have you pay for online until that time comes. So you gotta judge it when you start paying for it. Revisiting it in a couple years won't change what it started with.
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More and more games will be made available as time passes, which has a direct impact on whether or not an online service is worth paying for. They know this too as it's gonna be free for a while.

All I'm doing is playing wait and see.
 
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Apathy

Member
Cess007 said:
According to some here, they are not good and a NES game (any NES game it seems) can beat them in quality.
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The koolaid is strong them then. No one can deny that there are amazing games for those systems, but people really have selective memories or didn't live through the actual nes and SNES era and didn't see the trash games those systems had as well.
 
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Toxi

Banned
Apathy said:
The koolaid is strong them then. No one can deny that there are amazing games for those systems, but people really have selective memories or didn't live through the actual nes and SNES era and didn't see the trash games those systems had as well.
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To be fair, I feel like Nintendo is gonna prioritize the classics such as Super Mario Bros 3 over shit like Urban Champion.

The main issue I have is I already bought and played those NES/SNES classics to death. I mean, at least let people play shit from the GameCube if you're gonna do this monthly rental garbage.
 
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The Salt Life

Banned
Cess007 said:
According to some here, they are not good and a NES game (any NES game it seems) can beat them in quality.
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Well yeah, a lot of those games above I never bothered downloading. I see what's offered, I watch a YouTube video, usually instantly turned off by the title and that's that. There are NES games I don't like, and a lot i did not play, my parents weren't made of money and the mom and pop VCR stores didnt rent all titles.
 
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TetraGenesis

Member
Apathy said:
The koolaid is strong them then. No one can deny that there are amazing games for those systems, but people really have selective memories or didn't live through the actual nes and SNES era and didn't see the trash games those systems had as well.
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And honestly? I don't care if the monthly game is LoZ or Super Mario Brothers. It's still a decades old game you can play (and have played) a million other places being lent to you for a month.

I don't care how much you love the game. That's not fucking value. That's not even approaching fucking value.

The service is not even close to paying itself off with a proposition like that.
 
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plagiarize

Banned
Even if one quality NES game beats all the free Xbox 360 games in quality... you STILL only get it for a month. I'm ragging on people in the pair of joycon = $80 thread for trying to shit on everything, but there's people doing the opposite in this thread who are clearly trying to defend everything.

there is no way in hell that this service is fairly priced compared to what Sony and Microsoft offer, unless it's at most half the price of those services.

I hope Nintendo invest this money in bringing their online service up to snuff with what Sony and Microsoft offer, but nothing they've said about the service gives any indication that they're going to do that. no talk about servers. the stated features fall far short of anything approaching parity. the one free two decades old game for a month thing is an insult compared to what Sony and Microsoft offer.

I'm buying this system day one. But I'm not subscribing to this shit. You don't have to defend every single detail. You really don't.
 
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HotHamBoy

Member
Not enough value? Let's look at 2015 PS Plus

yyyy.mm.dd Game Platform Retail
2015.12.01 Gauntlet: Slayer Edition PS4
2015.12.01 King's Quest - Chapter 1: A Knight to Remember PS4
2015.12.01 Freedom Wars Vita ✓
2015.12.01 Rocketbirds: Hardboiled Chicken Vita
2015.12.01 Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon PS3
2015.12.01 SSX PS3 ✓
2015.11.03 The Walking Dead: Season 2 PS4 ✓
2015.11.03 Magicka 2 PS4
2015.11.03 Mass Effect 2 PS3 ✓
2015.11.03 Beyond Good & Evil HD PS3
2015.11.03 Dragon Fin Soup PS4 Vita PS3
2015.11.03 Invizimals PSP
2015.10.06 Broken Age PS4 Vita
2015.10.06 Super Meat Boy PS4 Vita
2015.10.06 Unmechanical Extended PS4 PS3
2015.10.06 Kickbeat Vita PS3
2015.10.06 Kung Fu Rabbit Vita PS3
2015.10.06 Chariot PS3
2015.09.01 Super Time Force Ultra PS4 Vita
2015.09.01 Xeodrifter PS4 Vita
2015.09.01 Teslagrad PS4 PS3
2015.09.01 Grow Home PS4
2015.09.01 La-Mulana EX Vita
2015.09.01 Twisted Metal PS3 ✓
2015.08.04 Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris PS4
2015.08.04 Limbo PS4
2015.08.04 Sound Shapes PS4 Vita PS3
2015.08.04 Stealth Inc 2: A Game of Clones PS4 Vita PS3
2015.08.04 God of War: Ascension PS3 ✓
2015.08.04 CastleStorm Vita PS3
2015.07.07 Mousecraft PS4 Vita PS3
2015.07.07 Entwined PS4 Vita PS3
2015.07.07 Rocket League PS4
2015.07.07 Styx: Master of Shadows PS4
2015.07.07 Geometry Wars 3: Dimensions Vita
2015.07.07 Rain PS3
2015.06.02 Super Exploding Zoo PS4 Vita
2015.06.02 Futuridum PS4 Vita
2015.06.02 Skulls of the Shogun: Bone-A-Fide Edition PS4
2015.06.02 Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes PS4 ✓
2015.06.02 Call of Juarez: Gunslinger PS3
2015.06.02 Cloudberry Kingdom PS3
2015.05.05 Ether One PS4
2015.05.05 Hohokum PS4 Vita PS3
2015.05.05 Guacamelee! Super Turbo Championship Edition PS4
2015.05.05 The Unfinished Swan PS4 Vita PS3
2015.05.05 Race the Sun PS4 Vita PS3
2015.05.05 Murasaki Baby Vita
2015.04.07 MonsterBag Vita
2015.04.07 Killzone Mercenary Vita ✓
2015.04.07 Dishonored PS3 ✓
2015.04.07 Never Alone PS4
2015.04.07 Aaru's Awakening PS4 PS3
2015.04.07 Tower of Guns PS4 PS3
2015.03.11 Mighty Flip Champs! DX PS3 Vita
2015.03.03 OlliOlli2: Welcome to Olliwood PS4 Vita
2015.03.03 CounterSpy PS4 PS3 Vita
2015.03.03 Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments PS3 ✓
2015.03.03 Papo & Yo PS3
2015.03.03 Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty PS4
2015.03.03 Valiant Hearts PS4
2015.02.03 Rogue Legacy PS4 PS3 Vita
2015.02.03 Transistor PS4
2015.02.03 Apotheon PS4
2015.02.03 Yakuza 4 PS3 ✓
2015.02.03 Thief PS3 ✓
2015.02.03 Kick & Fennick Vita
2015.01.06 The Swapper PS4 PS3 Vita
2015.01.06 Whoa Dave! PS4 Vita
2015.01.06 InFamous: First Light PS4
2015.01.06 Prototype 2 PS3 ✓
2015.01.06 DuckTales Remastered PS3
2015.01.06 Duke Nukem 3D: Megaton Edition PS3 Vita

Yeah, the games aren't even that good /s

Oh, hey, has anyone mentioned the amazing PS Plus discounts every month vs Nintendo's notoriously shitty sales and evergreen MSRP?
 
Petrae

Petrae

Member
dafodeu said:
Do you think the monthly fee will be required to trade pokemon online when Pokemon Stars launches?
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That's where the big buck$ stand to be made. Pokémon is a cash cow, especially building upon GO, plus Sun/Moon. Plenty of money to be extracted from players.
 
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onemanasylum

Banned
TetraGenesis said:
God damn, the people in here defending this. The delusion.
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People rushed to defend MS DRM nonsense, even the press.....as sad as that is. People still pop up once in awhile saying MS should have "Stuck to their vision, was better" blah, blah, blah. Nothing surprises me anymore.
 
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Maxim726X

Member
brandonh83 said:
I'm talking about how the service is to play online. The monthly games aren't the focus.
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Okay... Great, that's free right now.

So again, from the consumer's standpoint you're getting a monthly rental now.

If Nintendo's online functionality is still shit after all this, they're going to look awful.
 
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Fou-Lu

Member
I am not happy about this at all, but I am also not remotely surprised. I don't really play online on Nintendo consoles so unless they offer me a game I really want to play online... (Phantasy Star Online 2 in NA? Please thank you). I probably won't even pay for it.
 
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Ogodei

Member
One of those things where we need more details and it really depends on the implementation. Most NES games are bite-sized enough that you'd get bored with them after one month anyway, less the case for SNES but it still depends.

Also whether they give discounts for eShop or other bonuses, along with the price tag (which i imagine will depend on usage statistics when the time comes to pull the trigger).

So if the console does gangbusters out the gate, you can bet the sub will be at least what Sony/Microsoft are charging. If it really struggles, they'll just push back the date when the subscription kicks in.
 
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