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[Liabe Brave]

360 is doing better than the Xbox. The PS3 is slightly ahead of the GameCube, maybe, but the GameCube will pull ahead after December. PS3 should pull away again with next year's price cut, though.

PS3 is about 400k ahead of Gamecube right now launch-aligned. As you say, it will be behind after December; Gamecube had a very good third Christmas, and PS3 won't.

 

[Tiktaalik]

Remember last generation when we used to argue that our favorite systems' sales were a reflection of the games that came out during the month, and the library currently available?


That was fun.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Honestly I would be pretty surprised if Killzone 2 managed to break 500k in February. Their first party games are just not connecting like they should.

 

[fatigues_gasolini]

I think it's about time Sony gives Insomniac the middle finger. Good for absolutely nothing they've been this gen. Other studios could benefit from that funding.

I hope your being sarcastic.

 

[Kuroyume]

God, I wish the 1up guys would post 1up yours later tonight. :lol

 

[Aaron Strife]

Why's noone complaining about M$ or SONY?

Because clearly Microsoft and Sony are releasing core games out of the kindness of their hearts, not to make money, therefore they are the only ones who aren't evil!

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

They own the rights and they publish the games, outsourcing is normal.

Why's noone complaining when M$ & SONY do this?

That actually took longer than I expected.

 

[duk]

this is just sad

LEFT 4 DEAD (360) 410K
RESISTANCE 2* (PS3) 385K

sighs

 

[sonicmj1]

The difference of course is that Nintendo made a profit on the gamecube and N64 while Sony is suffering extreme losses with the PS3. And that makes a world of difference.

Did they?

I know Nintendo made a profit during the period when the Gamecube and N64 were on the market. But at the same time, they also had an incredibly lucrative monopoly on the handheld industry with the Game Boy and Game Boy Advance.

I remember taking a peek at reports, and finding no way to distinguish the money Nintendo made from handhelds from the money Nintendo made from consoles. Maybe I didn't look hard enough?

Does anyone have a source that proves that the Gamecube and the Nintendo 64 specifically made Nintendo money, and that their profits didn't just come from the Game Boy and Game Boy Advance?

 

[industrian]

HOLY SHIT, I just checked,
the PS3 sold 466,000 in November 07, meaning it sold 88,000 less this year!

Someone compared the PS Family sales between November 2007 and November 2008 already in this thread. Every console sold less.

 

[Fladam]

Two million is insane. Just freaking insane.

One out of every in 150 people in America bought a Wii in November.

INSANE.

 

[gregor7777]

I think it's about time Sony gives Insomniac the middle finger. Good for absolutely nothing they've been this gen. Other studios could benefit from that funding.

They've made some good games. Surely better than a lot of devs can claim this gen. The PS3 is a failing system. Sony has only themselves to blame.

Insomniac doesn't have any blame in this.

 

[pilonv1]

1.4million Lich King's too. Pretty impressive.

 

[Pachael]

Well, the Blu-Ray crowd must be happy with the extra 400K players that are in the market

One saving grace: Looks like Sonic Unleashed went the way of the werehog?

 

[FrankT]

I think it's about time Sony gives Insomniac the middle finger. Good for absolutely nothing they've been this gen. Other studios could benefit from that funding.

Really?

 

[Captain Smoker]

Good Lord, true kindergarten again, casual/hardcore mimimi ;___;

 

[Grayman]

I usually do not post in these threads but

OH MY!

 

[Gary Whitta]

this is just sad



sighs

Why is it sad that the better game sold more copies?

 

[Loudninja]

Like to sew more numbers outside the top 10

 

[grandjedi6]

Oh please. Surely they thought they would have done better than they did. I mean, they're looking at the PS3 as a media hub, and not just a gaming system. Do you really think they'll be happy with, or were expecting, those kind of numbers for their "media hub?" They thought Blu-Ray would have pushed them ahead, but with these $250-300 dedicated Blu-Ray players out there, there is nowhere for the PS3 to go. They needed a price cut this year. They did not need another $499 bundle. They shot themselves in the foot. Period.

And I know the economy has tanked. Guess what? It's only going to get worse before it gets better. This was the chance that they could have sold some systems if they had dropped the price. If they do a price drop for, let's say, March. Do you think people will be willing to spend $300 on the system after another three months of recession has hit?

Actually with the US economy tanking, droping the price would be stupid of Sony.

 

[schuelma]

They've made some good games. Surely better than a lot of devs can claim this gen. The PS3 is a failing system. Sony has only themselves to blame.

Insomniac doesn't have any blame in this.

Yup. Insomniac's output is impressive and is held back by the userbase it is selling to.

 

[Fenderputty]

Oh please. Surely they thought they would have done better than they did. I mean, they're looking at the PS3 as a media hub, and not just a gaming system. Do you really think they'll be happy with, or were expecting, those kind of numbers for their "media hub?" They thought Blu-Ray would have pushed them ahead, but with these $250-300 dedicated Blu-Ray players out there, there is nowhere for the PS3 to go. They needed a price cut this year. They did not need another $499 bundle. They shot themselves in the foot. Period.

And I know the economy has tanked. Guess what? It's only going to get worse before it gets better. This was the chance that they could have sold some systems if they had dropped the price. If they do a price drop for, let's say, March. Do you think people will be willing to spend $300 on the system after another three months of recession has hit?

No ... I don't think it's going to get better for them. I also think they shot themselves in the foot. I said I HOPE they knew what was going to happen. Remember they stated that market share isn't as important to them as profitability right now. One would think that making a statement like that would also mean they understand they were going to get slaughtered this holiday season.

 

[mr_bishiuk]

PS2 will be up again once they lower the cost to $99. The problem is that the losses on the PS3 is what's probably keeping them from lower the cost on the PS2.

But Jack Tretton said there was no point lowering the cost to $99 as those people dont buy games.

 

[suffah]

Sony really dropped the ball marketing LBP though, you really can't deny that. I've seen 2 commercials for it, maybe.

They had a potential hit and they let it slip through the cracks.
!

I personally saw more LBP ads and even billboards than any other game in recent memory. Even my non-gamer gf commented on them.

Now, were the ads done well? That's another story.

 

[Crayon]

I think it's about time Sony gives Insomniac the middle finger. Good for absolutely nothing they've been this gen. Other studios could benefit from that funding.

ill drink to that.

 

[Kunan]

holy CRAP at wii hardware. WTF tho how can you sell 2 million units and have SHIT software sales like that? thats not good IMO.

People will never get it will they? Have you ever seen Boom Blox in the top 10? Did you know its sold more than Resistance 2 so far? Does that last sentence boggle your mind, cause it does for me.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

They've made some good games. Surely better than a lot of devs can claim this gen. The PS3 is a failing system. Sony has only themselves to blame.

Insomniac doesn't have any blame in this.

Rare? Is that you?

 

[Fredescu]

They own the rights and they publish the games, outsourcing is normal.

Why's noone complaining when M$ & SONY do this?

Because MS and Sony continue to make loads of internally developed software aimed at gaming enthusiasts too. The Wii's success has brought none of the predicted software support, not even from Nintendo themselves.

 

[RJT]

Actually dropping the price isn't necessarily the best answer. Sony's goal is profit maximization cutting their losses. So lowering the price isn't going to help unless they have a large enough increase in sales to get a larger revenue than initially.

That is incorrect. You have to factor in the margin they have currently and the margin they would have with a price drop. A severe price drop would most likely mean they would lose money on every sale.

Maybe the job cuts were made to finance a PS3 price drop, but I somehow doubt it...

 

[Count Dookkake]

What are all these Wii owners going to do when they see the footage for all these awesome PS3 games during the VGAs on Sunday?

Wait a bit longer for the bargain bins.

 

[donny2112]

Here's my Sony spin:

In this thread Aaron Greenberg has foolishly said that the PS3 will go into single digit marketshare
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=345056

Proof!!
Playstation 3 378k (11.6%)
Xbox 360 836k (25.7%)
Wii 2.04M (62.7%)

The arrogant Aaron can pontificate all the can, but the PS3 will always be in double digit marketshare!
[/spin]

Admirable. :lol

 

[Stoney Mason]

They've made some good games. Surely better than a lot of devs can claim this gen. The PS3 is a failing system. Sony has only themselves to blame.

Insomniac doesn't have any blame in this.

This.

 

[duk]

Yup. Insomniac's output is impressive and is held back by the userbase it is selling to.

bring the games to 360

 

[Tom_Cody]

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Why haven't you sold your PS3 yet? It's in 3rd place!

2 million whooooooooooooo!

Why getting so personal all the time, why so bitter? It's the year of the Triple, IGN confirmed it today, why do you care about sales?

 

[Bluemercury]

Because clearly Microsoft and Sony are releasing core games out of the kindness of their hearts, not to make money, therefore they are the only ones who aren't evil!

Only because of graphics, because that's clearly what they can do better than last gen.....unfortunately....

 

[Chrange]

Most Wii owners don't even know what the VGAs are.

They know about them, and would even watch, but it's either after their bed time or Matlock is on the other channel.

 

[Kusagari]

Those Resistance numbers really are pathetic. Sony's premier shooter this fall should not be outsold by L4D which came out so much later in the month.

 

[FrankT]

Yea, be nice if we could get some other numbers.

Maybe some of these;

LBP
Banjo
GHWT (PS3/360)
RB2
ME

 

[Francias Castiglione]

this is just sad



sighs

For Insomniac maybe, I would imagine Valve/Turtle Rock are happy as hell.

 

[womfalcs3]

Sony needs to cut price next month. :lol

 

[FirewalkR]

Holy Hell!!! I'm cleaning my laptop's monitor because I actually spat when I saw 2 million. :lol

Wait a sec, why did I do that, I wasn't even drinking anything.

Sony needs price drop nau

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

Awww. I kind of like my PS3, poor guy.

 

[Frankfurter]

Where does the "Wii software sales are shit" point come btw.? Wii has 5 out of the 10 best selling games this month...

 

[strikeselect]

weren't there some sony fans here awhile back that said Resistance 2 would outsell Gears 2?

:lol :lol

you know who you are

 

[BravoSuperStar]

I personally saw more LBP ads and even billboards than any other game in recent memory. Even my non-gamer gf commented on them.

Now, were the ads done well? That's another story.

Thats the other thing, the ads were confusing and weren't very compelling. Also I think some of the launch issues hurt sales as well as word of mouth. I had it figured doing at least 300-400k though, so this really is a shame. Hopefully it will have legs and sell under the radar for awhile....

 

[brain_stew]

Bastards killed gafffWWWAH??? 2 million??? Holy jesus.
360 nice
Ps3 not horrid

Gears 2 = Huge
COD: Jingoism and bad taste = of course
No LBP
L4D 360 > Resistance 2

I guess Guitar Hero World Tour didn't flop.

Sorry, I can't understand that at all, those PS3 figures are a complete disaster. Being outsold by the competition by more than 5:1 is just outright embarrassing. Heck even the second place competitor is well above outselling them 2:1.

The Wii is a product that will go down in business and marketing history, this thing will be in text books for centuries to come, and I can honestly see it as the prodct that defines our times. Its just that damn successful, and at a time where every other part of the economy is collapsing all around it.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

360 over 800k:
Third parties on 360:

leading the industry again

Wii shouldnt be considered a game system IMO, its more of a interactive toy.

Just like all other gaming systems?

2 million systems in 1 month you'd think you have stuff cracking 750k. especially something like mario kart. no 3rd party titles either. its like wii sports and wii play are all these people are buying.

Keep 'em coming guys, keep 'em coming.:lol

Some will argue that the Wii is making the pie bigger and that in the long run some of the new consumers will branch out and also purchase things other than uber casual titles.

Others say it's more likely Microsoft and Sony will adapt Nintendo's low cost, low quality, super casual approach and those who like games to have effort put into them and appeal to more than just kids (say, the average GAFer) will be left with less to look forward too and the insudtry as a whole will become completely casual.

Who's right? Who really knows, time will tell. But honestly, the most likely and probable otucome is going to be the latter, companies are motivated first and foremost by profit afterall, and if they can accomplish that without having to invest in quality it's all the better.

Wii = the next gen sweatshop

Serious games sell well on the Wii though. Look at Zack and Wiki, No More Heroes, Guitar Hero, Smash Bros, Sin & Punishment (first NA so successful that a sequel spawned), Tales of Symphonia 2, and Super Mario Galaxy.

Did they?

I know Nintendo made a profit during the period when the Gamecube and N64 were on the market. But at the same time, they also had an incredibly lucrative monopoly on the handheld industry with the Game Boy and Game Boy Advance.

I remember taking a peek at reports, and finding no way to distinguish the money Nintendo made from handhelds from the money Nintendo made from consoles. Maybe I didn't look hard enough?

Does anyone have a source that proves that the Gamecube and the Nintendo 64 specifically made Nintendo money, and that their profits didn't just come from the Game Boy and Game Boy Advance?

idk about the N64 but I do know that Nintendo posted profit with the Gamecube console itself. And if the GC did the N64 should have as well.

 

[Kyoufu]

Honestly I would be pretty surprised if Killzone 2 managed to break 500k in February. Their first party games are just not connecting like they should.

I thought Sony's first party games under-perform because of the lack of marketing put behind them.

Look at the craptacular ads their games have gotten. Its abysmal. Of course, KZ2 has been hyped ever since E3 2005 and delivers on most of that hype. The graphics alone will sell that game. It *should* do over 500k first month IMO.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

this is just sad



sighs

Not particularly. Left 4 Dead is phenomenal.