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NPD Sales Results for August 2007

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GitarooMan

Member
For me, the constant latching onto RE4 Wii as some huge success story shows the overall weakness of Wii third party sales. It released at 29.99 and it's sold a few hundred thousand, good sales but not some overarching evidence of strengthing third party sales.

I'm not saying why the sales are weak, could be mostly shit games to this point, could be lack of interest by the userbase, but I don't see any compelling arguments that third party sales are good and I don't see a lot of evidence that third party sales will get magically better and challenge 360 in the future in the US.
 
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schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Also, I'm pretty sure Tiger Woods charted in the April console top 20 as well.
 
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Evlar

Banned
schuelma said:
Also, I'm pretty sure Tiger Woods charted in the April console top 20 as well.
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And I think there have been other entries in the console top twenty as well, including Harry Potter in July. I'm just too lazy to look it up.
 
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Evlar

Banned
GitarooMan said:
For me, the constant latching onto RE4 Wii as some huge success story shows the overall weakness of Wii third party sales. It released at 29.99 and it's sold a few hundred thousand, good sales but not some overarching evidence of strengthing third party sales.

I'm not saying why the sales are weak, could be mostly shit games to this point, could be lack of interest by the userbase, but I don't see any compelling arguments that third party sales are good and I don't see a lot of evidence that third party sales will get magically better and challenge 360 in the future in the US.
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I agree they won't get "magically" better.

They will get better in a very natural manner if Wii continues to gain marketshare and if/when third parties put out compelling software.
 
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DeaconKnowledge

Member
Sho_Nuff82 said:
You haven't noticed

Silent Hill 5
Borderlands
Rage
Race Driver One
Wet
Ninja Gaiden 2
Mafia 2
Dead Island
Smash Court Tennis 3
Yakuza 3
Dead Space
Prototype
They
End
Star Ocean 4
Guilty Gear 2


over the last few months? Not counting XBLA or PSN stuff. I don't know the exact number of Wii announcements, but it's not like 3rd party support has just dried up on the HD side of things.
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I know this is old, but 16 games? Word?

I've seen way more games announced for Wii in te recent months. LIST WARZ I know, but i've seen more Wii game announcements since roughly E3.
 
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KeithFranklin

Banned
The Sphinx said:
And I think there have been other entries in the console top twenty as well, including Harry Potter in July. I'm just too lazy to look it up.
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Well to give you what you need here is the complete post of NPD top 10/20 for this year minus August.

July NPD:
** 1 NCAA FOOTBALL 08 360 ELECTRONIC ARTS Jul-07
** 2 GUITAR HERO ENCORE: ROCKS THE 80S PS2 ACTIVISION Jul-07
2 3 PLAY W/ REMOTE WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Feb-07
** 4 NCAA FOOTBALL 08 PS2 ELECTRONIC ARTS Jul-07
1 5 MARIO PARTY 8 WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA May-07
** 6 NCAA FOOTBALL 08 PS3 ELECTRONIC ARTS Jul-07
3 7 POKEMON DIAMOND VERSION NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA Apr-07
12 8 TRANSFORMERS: THE GAME PS2 ACTIVISION Jun-07
6 9 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR PS2 ACTIVISION Nov-06
7 10 GUITAR HERO 2 W/ GUITAR 360 ACTIVISION Mar-07
4 11 POKEMON PEARL VERSION NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA Apr-07
** 12 MARIO STRIKERS: CHARGED WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Jul-07
9 13 RESIDENT EVIL 4 WII CAPCOM USA Jun-07
** 14 NASCAR 08 360 ELECTRONIC ARTS Jul-07
** 15 RATATOUILLE NDS THQ Jun-07
** 16 TRANSFORMERS: AUTOBOTS NDS ACTIVISION Jun-07
14 17 NEW SUPER MARIO BROS NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA May-06
** 18 NINJA GAIDEN SIGMA PS3 TECMO Jun-07
** 19 ALL PRO FOOTBALL 2K8 360 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE Jul-07
8 20 POKEMON BATTLE REVOLUTION WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Jun-07

June NPD
01. Wii Mario Party 8 -- 426.2k
02. Wii Play w/ remote -- 293.2k
03. NDS Pokemon Diamond Version -- 288.4k
04. NDS Pokemon Pearl Version -- 214.7k
05. 360 Forza Motorsport 2 -- 197.40k
06. PS2 Guitar Hero 2 w/ Guitar -- 197.35k
07. 360 Guitar Hero 2 w/ Guitar -- 177.6k
08. Wii Pokemon Battle -- 157.9k
09. Wii Resident Evil 4
10. 360 The Darkness
11. PS2 Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 2
12. PS2 Transformers: the Game
13. 360 Tenchu Z
14. NDS New Super Mario Bros
15. PS2 Tomb Raider: Anniversary
16. Wii Super Paper Mario
17. 360 Transformers: The Game
18. PS2 MLB '07: The Show
19. Wii Big Brain Academy: Wii
20. 360 Dirt

May NPD:
331k NDS POKEMON DIAMOND VERSION
314k WII MARIO PARTY 8
249k PS2 SPIDER-MAN 3
238k NDS POKEMON PEARL VERSION
227k WII PLAY W/ REMOTE
217k 360 FORZA MOTORSPORT 2
184k 360 GUITAR HERO 2 W/ GUITAR
140k 360 SPIDER-MAN 3
138k 360 COMMAND & CONQUER 3: TIBERIUM WARS
131k PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR
11 WII SUPER PAPER MARIO Nintendo
12 360 CRACKDOWN Microsoft
13 PS3 MLB '07: THE SHOW Sony
14 WII LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS Nintendo
15 WII SPIDER-MAN 3 Activision
16 360 SHADOWRUN Microsoft
17 PS3 SPIDER-MAN 3 Activision
18 PS2 MLB '07: THE SHOW Sony
19 360 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K7 Take 2 Interactive
20 360 GEARS OF WAR Microsoft
21 NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS Nintendo
22 NDS SPIDER-MAN 3 Activision
23 360 PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: AT WORLD'S END Disney
24 PS2 GOD OF W AR II Sony
25 360 TOM CLANCY'S RAINBOW SIX: VEGAS Ubi Soft

April NPD:
Top 10 Software Items- April 2007 Units
NDS POKEMON DIAMOND VERSION NINTENDO OF AMERICA APR 2007 EVERYONE (E) 1.045 M
NDS POKEMON PEARL VERSION NINTENDO OF AMERICA APR 2007 EVERYONE (E) 712K
WII SUPER PAPER MARIO NINTENDO OF AMERICA APR 2007 EVERYONE (E) 352K
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA FEB 2007 EVERYONE (E) 249K
360 GUITAR HERO 2 W/ GUITAR ACTIVISION MAR 2007 TEEN (T) 197K
PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR ACTIVISION NOV 2006 TEEN (T) 142K
360 SPIDER-MAN 3 ACTIVISION APR 2007 TEEN (T) 117K
PS2 SPIDER-MAN 3 ACTIVISION APR 2007 TEEN (T) 105K
PS2 GOD OF WAR II SONY MAR 2007 MATURE (M) 101K
PS2 MLB '07: THE SHOW SONY FEB 2007 EVERYONE (E) 79K

March NPD
PS2 GOD OF WAR II 833K
360 TOM CLANCY'S GHOST RECON: ADVANCED WARFI 394K
360 GUITAR HERO 2 W/ GUITAR 291K
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE 273K
PS3 MOTORSTORM 199K
NDS DIDDY KONG RACING 189K
NDS SPECTROBES 165K
360 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K7 165K
PS2 MLB '07: THE SHOW 164K
360 DEF JAM ICON 148K

February NPD:
1. Crackdown (Xbox 360) - Microsoft - 427K
2. Wii Play w/ remote (Wii) - Nintendo - 371K
3. Diddy Kong Racing (DS) - Nintendo - 262K
4. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii) - Nintendo - 130K
5. Guitar Hero 2 w/ guitar (PS2) - Activision - 130K
6. Gears of War (Xbox 360) - Microsoft - 119K
7. Major League Baseball 2K7 (Xbox 360) - Take-Two - 113K
8. Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Xbox 360) - Capcom - 111K
9. WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Wii) - Nintendo - 109K
10. NBA Street Homecourt (Xbox 360) - Electronic Arts - 102K

January NPD
1. 360 LOST PLANET: EXTREME CONDITION 329k
2. PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR 224k
3. 360 GEARS OF WAR 212k
4. WII WARIOWARE: SMOOTH MOVES 201k
5. WII LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS 189k
6. PS2 MADDEN NFL 07 156k
7. GCN LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS 144k
8. PS3 RESISTANCE: FALL OF MAN 144k
9. 360 TOM CLANCY'S RAINBOW SIX: VEGAS 135k
10. NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS 125k
 
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Shepherd

Unconfirmed Member
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pswii60

Member
DeaconKnowledge said:
I know this is old, but 16 games? Word?

I've seen way more games announced for Wii in te recent months. LIST WARZ I know, but i've seen more Wii game announcements since roughly E3.
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Don't forget to factor in all the 3rd party XBLA titles too. After all, many of which seem to have bigger budgets than those third party Wii titles that have been announced recently.
 
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Starchasing

Member
schuelma said:
Wow, how convenient for you- that completely fits in with your "real 3rd party games" don't/won't sell on Wii! Of course, RE4 doesn't count because it was a Gamecube game, and that means people buying RE4 are traditional Nintendo gamers so it doesn't count! Brilliant!
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I dont know why people need to make such complex reasonings.

If RE4 sells X units it means that there are X people that enjoy that type of games. Capcom are surprised by the excellent sales so they will probably make similar games for Wii sooner or later
 
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.dmc

Banned
davepoobond said:
madden is sooooo much more important than RE4...
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Well hardly, the console with the smallest amount of Madden sales sold 400k a month in July/August, the console with the highest amount of Madden sales isn't really setting the hardware charts alight. What does that say about how important Madden is to deciding the console wars?
 
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frankthurk

Member
PlayStation 2 202K
PlayStation 3 130.6K
Xbox 360 276.7K
Wii 403.6 K

my predictions

[Wii] 400,000
[PS2] 200,000
[360] 275,000
[PS3] 130,000

sweet...
 
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PhoenixDark

Banned
PlayStation 3 130.6K
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PlayStation Portable 151.2 K
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Xbox 360 276.7K
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Wii 403.6 K
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Nintendo DS 383.3K
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seattle6418

Member
sorry, i could only read 7 of the 44 pages... don't have enough time... was felipeko already banned or they are waiting until december?

seriously, that was a dumb bet
 
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Corwood Rep

Member
GitarooMan said:
For me, the constant latching onto RE4 Wii as some huge success story shows the overall weakness of Wii third party sales. It released at 29.99 and it's sold a few hundred thousand, good sales but not some overarching evidence of strengthing third party sales.

I'm not saying why the sales are weak, could be mostly shit games to this point, could be lack of interest by the userbase, but I don't see any compelling arguments that third party sales are good and I don't see a lot of evidence that third party sales will get magically better and challenge 360 in the future in the US.
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Really, the fundamental issue that ruins estimation is that no third part has even BEGUN to try on the Wii. At ALL. There is no example of a great original third-party game on the Wii, much less a great original third-party game on the Wii that failed, which is the only way the "third-parties don't sell" notion should really be reinforced.

I'm sick of this third-party stuff doesn't sell bullshit. Call me when the Wii gets a high-budget game from an A-team third-party developer and doesn't sell. And in the meantime, can somebody explain how Red Steel has cracked a million units sold despite being terrible? Shouldn't that be an indicator of, if not guaranteed financial viability of third-party titles, proof that Wii owners will buy third-party games in at least some situations?

I mean, people talk about Madden and The Godfather and Boogie bombing, but in two of those situations the games sucked (Madden especially compared to its PS3/360 counterparts), and in the third situation, that game never sold anyway and it was 99% ported assets.
 
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Marlowe

Member
Aristotlekh said:
Really, the fundamental issue that ruins estimation is that no third part has even BEGUN to try on the Wii. At ALL. There is no example of a great original third-party game on the Wii, much less a great original third-party game on the Wii that failed, which is the only way such a notion should really be reinforced.

I'm sick of this third-party stuff doesn't sell bullshit. Call me when the Wii gets a high-budget game from an A-team third-party developer and doesn't sell. And in the meantime, can somebody explain how Red Steel has cracked a million units sold despite being terrible? Shouldn't that be an indicator of, if not guaranteed financial viability of third-party stuff, proof that Wii owners will buy third-party games in at least some situations?

I mean, people talk about Madden and The Godfather and Boogie bombing, but in two of those situations the games sucked (Madden especially compared to its PS3/360 counterparts), and in the third situation, that game never sold anyway and it was 99% ported assets.
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I totally understand your position and agree to a certain extent. I believe the lack of 3rd-party effort on Wii has to do with the long history of Nintendo consoles not selling a ton of third-party software. Chicken-and-egg problem here for sure - no doubt - do third-party games not sell because of lack of effort and quality or is their a lack of effort and quality because of low-sales expectations?

I believe third parties are wary of dumping a ton of cash into a Wii-exclusive title because of the past sales history. Hopefully, the runaway success of the Wii will lead developers to take the financial leap.
 
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unomas

Banned
Aristotlekh said:
Really, the fundamental issue that ruins estimation is that no third part has even BEGUN to try on the Wii. At ALL. There is no example of a great original third-party game on the Wii, much less a great original third-party game on the Wii that failed, which is the only way the "third-parties don't sell" notion should really be reinforced.

I'm sick of this third-party stuff doesn't sell bullshit. Call me when the Wii gets a high-budget game from an A-team third-party developer and doesn't sell. And in the meantime, can somebody explain how Red Steel has cracked a million units sold despite being terrible? Shouldn't that be an indicator of, if not guaranteed financial viability of third-party titles, proof that Wii owners will buy third-party games in at least some situations?

I mean, people talk about Madden and The Godfather and Boogie bombing, but in two of those situations the games sucked (Madden especially compared to its PS3/360 counterparts), and in the third situation, that game never sold anyway and it was 99% ported assets.
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Launch games don't count, people will buy pretty much anything at launch. Everyone should be happy, Nintendo fans because the Wii is pushing the most hardware, the Microsoft fans because 3rd party sales are great month after month which ensures more great HD gaming, and Sony fans because they will get Metal Gear and Final Fantasy no matter what. Everyone wins! PS3 will also get all those HD ports that the 360 gets, it's almost like those two consoles are one platform really.

This whole thing would be over if Nintendo hadn't underpowered the Wii. They would be getting all those HD games and killing both MS and Sony in every department besides just console sales. Unfortunately they went another route.
 
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Arde5643

Member
It's asinine to compare sales figures for 3rd party on the Wii and 3rd party on the 360 now.

That means you're ignoring all the facts supporting 360 now:
* 3rd party games selling fuckloads on 360 now are of AAA quality and had fuckton marketing push.
* 3rd party games selling decent to not bad on Wii right now are B to C quality and had little marketing. The 3rd party titles on the Wii that sold huge all had large marketing budget.

Now if you were to compare 3rd party quality titles in the Wii and 360, now we're going somewhere since the quality of the current 3rd party titles don't even compare with 360's 3rd party lineup last year.
 
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Corwood Rep

Member
Marlowe said:
I believe third parties are wary of dumping a ton of cash into a Wii-exclusive title because of the past sales history. Hopefully, the runaway success of the Wii will lead developers to take the financial leap.
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Yeah, but can that really be an effective precedent when the Wii is the first really viable home console Nintendo's had since the SNES? The market's totally different now.
 
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MaX_PL

Banned
frankie_baby said:
why oh why is america so obssessed with madden????????

its the same game every year
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i dunno man, i tell my brother the same thing every year and his answer is always "they got new rosters man".
 
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Farmboy

Member
Arde5643 said:
It's asinine to compare sales figures for 3rd party on the Wii and 3rd party on the 360 now.

That means you're ignoring all the facts supporting 360 now:
* 3rd party games selling fuckloads on 360 now are of AAA quality and had fuckton marketing push.
* 3rd party games selling decent to not bad on Wii right now are B to C quality and had little marketing. The 3rd party titles on the Wii that sold huge all had large marketing budget.

Now if you were to compare 3rd party quality titles in the Wii and 360, now we're going somewhere since the quality of the current 3rd party titles don't even compare with 360's 3rd party lineup last year.
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That's the whole point: it'd be nice to see some AAA third party Wii titles. I'm sure they could be successful... it's just that they don't seem to be on the horizon, with the possible exceptions of Zack & Wiki and FF:CC. Western developers especially seem to be slacking off (although maybe MySims will be good; not my kind of game though).

For the record, I'd like to say that I really enjoyed the Wii version of Mercury Meltdown. I know it's just a port, but it may well be the best third party Wii title this side of RE4. If you like marble madness/monkey ball type gameplay and you're a Wii-owner, do buy it. Support good third party Wii-games today!
End of Public Service Announcement
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Suburban Cowboy

Member
3rd partys would be stupid not to start developing exclusives for the wii. Remember the Gamecube? Competant 3rd party exclusives sold pretty well. Take Viewtiful Joe for example, it was a total success. But when they released the sequel, and it was no longer a GC exclusive no one with a nintendo bought it.

Soul Calibur 2 is another example. The GC sku sold the most. This wasnt simply because it had link in it, but because nintendo fans felt they were getting something exclusive for their console, an experience not present on the others.

There is still Nintendo loyalty present, show some effort and you will be rewarded. Any good 3rd party exclusive game can/will do as well as Metroid Prime.
 
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Arde5643

Member
Farmboy said:
That's the whole point: it'd be nice to see some AAA third party Wii titles. I'm sure they could be successful... it's just that they don't seem to be on the horizon, with the possible exceptions of Zack & Wiki and FF:CC. Western developers especially seem to be slacking off (although maybe MySims will be good; not my kind of game though).

For the record, I'd like to say that I really enjoyed the Wii version of Mercury Meltdown. I know it's just a port, but it may well be the best third party Wii title this side of RE4. If you like marble madness/monkey ball type gameplay and you're a Wii-owner, do buy it. Support good third party Wii-games today!
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For this fall, I'm actually only going to buy 1 first party game and the rest are all 3rd party games.

1st party:
Super Mario Galaxy

3rd party:
Trauma Center : New Blood
Zak & Wiki
Mercury Meltdown
Puzzle Quest
 
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sphinx

the piano man
I think we should start naming games that fit the profile of a " Real, AAA, 3rd party Title for Wii " to reach some kind of conlusion.

The first game I can think of is Capcom's Zack and Wiki. It screems "pedigree" all over the place. Previews have been phenomenal and it supposedly uses the Wiimote like no other game.

If that game does not sell well in at least 2 of 3 regions, would the claim that " 3rd party games on Wii don't sell" be finally confirmed?
 
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schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
sphinx said:
I think we should start naming games that fit the profile of a " Real, AAA, 3rd party Title for Wii " to reach some kind of conlusion.

The first game I can think of is Capcom's Zack and Wiki. It screems "pedigree" all over the place. Previews have been phenomenal and it supposedly uses the Wiimote like no other game.

If that game does not sell well in at least 2 of 3 regions, would the claim that " 3rd party games on Wii don't sell" be finally confirmed?
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I don't think so. I mean it will probably be critically raved but a kiddy style old school point and click adventure game with a horrible name and probably little marketing? I don't see how it can be expected to sell well.

I think a better test would be something like RE:UC which is going to get a lot of marketing.
 
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Arde5643

Member
sphinx said:
I think we should start naming games that fit the profile of a " Real, AAA, 3rd party Title for Wii " to reach some kind of conlusion.

The first game I can think of is Capcom's Zack and Wiki. It screems "pedigree" all over the place. Previews have been phenomenal and it supposedly uses the Wiimote like no other game.

If that game does not sell well in at least 2 of 3 regions, would the claim that " 3rd party games on Wii don't sell" be finally confirmed?
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It also depends if Capcom actually advertises it - which will be smart if they do so.

Of course, so far most publishers have been really stupid in not advertising the products they have for the Wii.
 
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Corwood Rep

Member
sphinx said:
I think we should start naming games that fit the profile of a " Real, AAA, 3rd party Title for Wii " to reach some kind of conlusion.

The first game I can think of is Capcom's Zack and Wiki. It screems "pedigree" all over the place. Previews have been phenomenal and it supposedly uses the Wiimote like no other game.

If that game does not sell well in at least 2 of 3 regions, would the claim that " 3rd party games on Wii don't sell" be finally confirmed?
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"AAA" doesn't simply equal good. It also implies AAA marketing and more than utterly niche appeal. I don't see Zack and Wiki pulling more than 200k in the states, regardless of how cool we might think it looks.
 
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Segata Sanshiro

Member
I don't think you can pin the claim on a single title like that. To really say anything decisive about it, we'll have to wait until there's a decent number of good third party games. I mean, if we want to be even close to statistically proper about it.
 
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speculawyer

Member
pswii60 said:
Actually there's a healthy balance between FIFA and PES.
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Hey, I watched a 'football' match the other day and almost saw a goal.

As far as balance with Madden goes . . . ouch . . . don't twist the knife.
APF 2K8 gets no respect.
 
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Forgotten Ancient

Banned
Aristotlekh said:
"AAA" doesn't simply equal good. It also implies AAA marketing and more than utterly niche appeal. I don't see Zack and Wiki pulling more than 200k in the states, regardless of how cool we might think it looks.
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I understand what you're saying, but it seems like there's an excuse for any third party title that doesn't sell well.
 
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schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Forgotten Ancient said:
I understand what you're saying, but it seems like there's an excuse for any third party title that doesn't sell well.
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Yeah but Zack and Wiki? Tell me what the market is for a cell shaded point and click adventure game starring a rugrat and his monkey friend or whatever Wiki is. I think there are far more valid tests than Zack and Wiki.
 
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