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Official February 2008 NPD Results - "Last Gen" > "Next Gen" - Industry Gone Wild.
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Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Captain Smoker said:
Erm, at least a few of these veer from spin into the "factually incorrect" zone.
First, the lifetime attach rate figure is both liberal with its rounding estimates to the point that no one would really make that assumption. Second, when launch-aligning tie ratios the difference between the Wii and the 360 is actually <~30%. No doubt the 360 is a major beast in this area, but let's stick with its actual record of achievement rather than lying.
Second, nothing the cash dollars software sales monthly, Wii sales and 360 sales were near tied. The numbers suggest that the 360 had a 40% cash value bonus over the Wii, but the 360 has a minimum ~30% average software purchase price over the Wii. Their statement is true, but actually diminishes the 360 when you consider its implications.
The "Microsoft internal estimates" for the Wii and PS3's online communities are a laughing stock. "Turning 10 million gamers into developers" even moreso.
BuckRobotron
Member
Nice for Lost Odyssey @200k+. Didn't pick it up yet, but will register one for this month.
Probably returning unopened Eternal Sonata to put toward it at the same time, after Mass Effect I can't even look at the box without getting saccharine overload.
Probably returning unopened Eternal Sonata to put toward it at the same time, after Mass Effect I can't even look at the box without getting saccharine overload.
Whipped Spartan
Member
beerbelly said:
LOL Good thing he isn't a Nintendo fan as they actually had a transformation from zero to hero of sorts.
Rated-Rsuperstar
Member
AniHawk said:
Sony will have to extend the PS3 life cycle to 20 years if ps2 goes for 15.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Jtyettis said:
LOST is not a family favorite!! Damn that greasy PR speak!!
titiklabingapat
Member
It's probably because the Wii probably expanded the industry. Remove the Wii in the equation and you have a "normal" sales in the normal time of the year.sonycowboy said:
Well depends on how far eventually they can drop the price overall..... I know they can drop it to $99 easily, but $50? $30? The Arcade is hitting $199 this year at the minimum.... it won't be long before its sub $100 and there's actually something on the market to compete with the Ps2...... either that or at this rate everyone on earth will own a Ps2 before it hits 15 yearsAniHawk said:
DevelopmentArrested
Banned
botticus said:
Don't assume and make an ass out of you and me.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
The videogame industry in America is huge, and every year without a beat it gets bigger.Das-J said:This really can't be understated... our industry is BOOMING right now!
It will soon rule all!!!
MUAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
DevelopmentArrested said:
Don't assume and make an ass out of you and me.
The Canterbury Tales of Chaucer....and Shakespeare.....
WarLox said:
the flavor of the month thing was largely true for the first year of the 360's life, but as the user base had grown, it has also diversified. It can now sustain sales on multiple games in any number of genres. The userbase still buys lots of shooters, but it's been obvious for a while that it's been branching out.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
botticus said:
I'd put the tilt higher than that based on the following:
- Rock Band + GH3 360 >> GH3 Wii, so that about covers average purchase price above 60/50.
- Wii budget games are more prevalent and cheaper than the 360's, so that covers average purchase price below 60/50.
I'd say that the 360 probably had a slight lead in software this month. I'd argue the difference in average purchase price is probably around 32-34% versus the difference in software sales of 40%.
On the other hand, if Wii's budget software sold well or if GH3 360 did quite well, the average purchase price differential would be higher than the Wii could leapfrog the 360 in software sales.
charlequin
Banned
NeoUltima said:
All titles sell at a higher ratio on a system when its install base is lower than they do later in its life when its install base has grown; the average launch-month attach rate of new titles drops throughout a console's life. In order to perform equivalently well, a PS3 version of a game needs to have a better ratio than than the X360 version (which DMC4 did accomplish this month.)
GremlinInTheMachine said:
Are you seriously suggesting that we apply a standard of "Less than 1 million sales worldwide = failure" to all PS360 titles?
gtj1092 said:
Because in market realities, brand generally serves as a tiebreaker -- given equivalent value propositions, or value close enough to make people uncertain of their choice, they will select the familiar or preferred brand. It very rarely overcomes a superior value proposition for an opposing product, which is why arguments of the form "I acknowledge that the X360 is cheaper and taking advantage of market-leader network externalities, but people will buy title X on PS3 because they love the PlayStation brand!" are unconvincing.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
WarLox said:
God DAMN I need a Next Gen Pandemonium.
Attach ratio higher on Ps3? Damn, those ps3 owners don't buy any games :sarcasmCaptain Smoker said:360 Call of Duty Version 2:1 PS3 Version [see teamxbox article]
296.200 : 148.100
==> PS3 Call of Duty 4 sold ~ 148.100 in February, LTD is ~ 1.254.100 till end of February 08.
Ariexv said:Well depends on how far eventually they can drop the price overall..... I know they can drop it to $99 easily, but $50? $30? The Arcade is hitting $199 this year at the minimum.... it won't be long before its sub $100 and there's actually something on the market to compete with the Ps2...... either that or at this rate everyone on earth will own a Ps2 before it hits 15 years
I think the PSX went $130 (1998?) -> $99 (2000?) -> $79 (?) -> $49 (2003). The PS2 dropped to $130... when, two years ago?
seattle6418
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sonycowboy said:
we could make an elaborated and insightful post, but the reality is pretty simple: older people keep dying, babies keep on coming so each day there's more and more people that already born with games in their lifes. for those people, it's entertainment, just like movies. we know that for "older people" its just some toy.
i know a lot of people ages 15-20 that don't have a console, not into games. we still have a ways to go, lots of room for improvment. first extra money that i can save i will start buying stock on game companies. sounds like a good plan
-WindYoshi-
Banned
GOOOOO LOST ODDYSEY!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
(and add my purchase of LO to it's march sales)
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
(and add my purchase of LO to it's march sales)
Honestly I'm really impressed by the US market performance overall.
Notwithstanding the recession and other difficulties the american entertainment market has expanded so much that today we are having SIX products which if you go past the stupid console war are ALL simultaneously doing great numbers which only a market leader was able to do during previous generations.
So after all it's good to see this industry so healthy.
BTW are official comments from Sony and Nintendo (we've already heard Microsoft's take) out?
Notwithstanding the recession and other difficulties the american entertainment market has expanded so much that today we are having SIX products which if you go past the stupid console war are ALL simultaneously doing great numbers which only a market leader was able to do during previous generations.
So after all it's good to see this industry so healthy.
BTW are official comments from Sony and Nintendo (we've already heard Microsoft's take) out?
Warm Machine
Member
Any Frontlines numbers by chance?
MisterHero
Super Member
HAHA SMASH BROS DIDNT EVEN CHART
TAKE THAT NINNYTENDO
TAKE THAT NINNYTENDO
squatingyeti
non-sanctioned troll
beerbelly said:
You're being sarcastic, right? Right?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
99k; a few pages back.Warm Machine said:
Edit: Sorry, 99,900. so basically 100k.
sonycowboy
Member
Stumpokapow said:
It's pretty full with liberal use of rounding and truthfulness. Nearly Twice the tie ratio? I suppose if you say it's closer to 2 than to 1, but it's much, much closer to 1.5 than to 2. :lol
Most of it is laughable, but it is nice to get the marketshare out there publically. It shows that the Wii and PS3 continue to grow their marketshare beyond their installed base numbers.
Rated-Rsuperstar
Member
MisterHero said:
joke post?
DevelopmentArrested
Banned
Rated-Rsuperstar said:
now what do you think
Those Lost Odyssey sales are phenomenal. Do we have any Layton numbers? It deserves to sell a million copies.. nay, five million.
Just looked it up on TSE.. 91k. Hopefully it's just a start of things to come. Pretty heinous start for DQ Swords -- it's surprisingly decent and deserves much better.
Just looked it up on TSE.. 91k. Hopefully it's just a start of things to come. Pretty heinous start for DQ Swords -- it's surprisingly decent and deserves much better.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
sonycowboy said:
Good point. Sometimes I take for granted that while PR leaks junk info, at least its non-junk enough to allow us to have rules-sanctioned discussions of issues we would not normally be able to discuss.
Lion Heart
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Speevy said:
Lol everyone thinks they won.