the northern army is massacred by the Frey's. I am in disbelief. Not just because of what happened, but the manner that it happened. You knew something was going to go wrong but...Holy shit. I can barely believe it. It's like Martin created the Starks solely to exhume torture and terrible things upon the family. Wow.
the northern army is massacred by the Frey's. I am in disbelief. Not just because of what happened, but the manner that it happened. You knew something was going to go wrong but...Holy shit. I can barely believe it. It's like Martin created the Starks solely to exhume torture and terrible things upon the family. Wow.
the northern army is massacred by the Frey's. I am in disbelief. Not just because of what happened, but the manner that it happened. You knew something was going to go wrong but...Holy shit. I can barely believe it. It's like Martin created the Starks solely to exhume torture and terrible things upon the family. Wow.
the northern army is massacred by the Frey's. I am in disbelief. Not just because of what happened, but the manner that it happened. You knew something was going to go wrong but...Holy shit. I can barely believe it. It's like Martin created the Starks solely to exhume torture and terrible things upon the family. Wow.
That's happening at the end of the first half of season 3, right? It will certainly be a sight to see. They may have to wait another year to watch the aftermath!
Am I the only one who feels that these kind of posts are spoilers?
They raise expectations, you know more/worse is coming. They greatly alter the reading experience imo because you are just waiting for the next big boom. I personally don't want to know that there is another big thing coming. I want to discover it, be shocked by it WHILE reading. I don't know but I think I'd be pretty pissed after reading these kind of comments if I hadn't read the books already (not only yours, in general).
Am I the only one who feels that these kind of posts are spoilers?
They raise expectations, you know more/worse is coming. They greatly alter the reading experience imo because you are just waiting for the next big boom. I personally don't want to know that there is another big thing coming. I want to discover it, be shocked by it WHILE reading. I don't know but I think I'd be pretty pissed after reading these kind of comments if I hadn't read the books already (not only yours, in general).
If it makes you feel any better, I knew something big was coming. I even knew what the event would be referred to as. I just didn't know what exactly would happen. I speculated myself as to what it would be. And when it happened I was still devastated. So you'll be fine.
On an unrelated note...
I didn't care that Catelyn died. I have wanted her dead for a while. But seeing her own son's death through her eyes before her own...And the way it happened...And the fact that Robb had been one of the most "just" and noble characters in the series...Christ. It was Robb's death that shocked me, not Catelyn's. But her point of view and the way it unfolded that made it so insane.
is it just me or are the books really confusing? i get lost in all the various households, miscellaneous named characters, the different mind games and politics being played. i feel like i read a chapter then have to read the summary on a wiki and still sometimes it doesn't completely sink in. still enjoyable though.
is it just me or are the books really confusing? i get lost in all the various households, miscellaneous named characters, the different mind games and politics being played. i feel like i read a chapter then have to read the summary on a wiki and still sometimes it doesn't completely sink in. still enjoyable though.
With so many characters and so much going on it's certainly easy to get a bit overwhelmed. If you ever decide to reread the series, you'll notice a lot of new stuff you missed the first time.
the northern army is massacred by the Frey's. I am in disbelief. Not just because of what happened, but the manner that it happened. You knew something was going to go wrong but...Holy shit. I can barely believe it. It's like Martin created the Starks solely to exhume torture and terrible things upon the family. Wow.
holy crap @ Edmure's "wedding" and Joffrey's wedding. Up until these points I thought the book wasn't exactly going to make an entertaining TV season although I assume season 3 episode 10 will end with Arya's death.
holy crap @ Edmure's "wedding" and Joffrey's wedding. Up until these points I thought the book wasn't exactly going to make an entertaining TV season although I assume season 3 episode 10 will end with Arya's death.
I guess everyone thought that at that point. I was like fuck this and put the book away. It was too much, it took me a long time to process what happened. fucking GRRM lol.
I guess everyone thought that at that point. I was like fuck this and put the book away. It was too much, it took me a long time to process what happened. fucking GRRM lol.
I'm actually kind of surprised that most people seem to have thought that she was dead. Naturally that's the first thing you'd think happened given the way it was written, but I remember my second immediate thought being that it makes no sense for the Hound to kill her and was pretty sure that he just hit her with the flat of the blade.
I'm actually kind of surprised that most people seem to have thought that she was dead. Naturally that's the first thing you'd think happened given the way it was written, but I remember my second immediate thought being that it makes no sense for the Hound to kill her and was pretty sure that he just hit her with the flat of the blade.
Same here. I didn't think for a second that Arya was dead. Honestly, not many of the ASOS deaths came as a surprise, it was the method of the death that shocked me. Rob not ever being a POV character in the books, and really totally disappearing from the narrative once the war starts (really only hearing secondhand what he's doing) clued me in that he was not long for this world. Still, the manner of his death came out of nowhere. Similarly with Jeoffrey, I knew the little prick would get it in the end, I didn't expect it so soon though.
I will admit that Tywin's death and manner of death took me by surprise.
it recaps what happens after the camp at First Fist is attacked. And I remain deeply confused about the differences between the Others and the undead/wights. In the prologue, the horn is blown three times, and we're told three horn blows is for the Others.
In the recap of the events after in Sam's chapter, they're sort of shambling undead, glowing blue eyes, etc. Not Others, but called wights. These guys take a beating and keep on going.
Then later in the chapter Sam runs into an actual Other, riding an undead horse, and he kills it with a dagger in the throat. The Other then melts, wicked witch-style.
Can someone, without spoiler major later plot points, tell me what the hell is up with these things? I'm three books in and I have no idea what the differences is or what their relationships are between these Others and the wights. It's clearly really important, but they're used interchangeably but are clearly different.
it recaps what happens after the camp at First Fist is attacked. And I remain deeply confused about the differences between the Others and the undead/wights. In the prologue, the horn is blown three times, and we're told three horn blows is for the Others.
In the recap of the events after in Sam's chapter, they're sort of shambling undead, glowing blue eyes, etc. Not Others, but called wights. These guys take a beating and keep on going.
Then later in the chapter Sam runs into an actual Other, riding an undead horse, and he kills it with a dagger in the throat. The Other then melts, wicked witch-style.
Can someone, without spoiler major later plot points, tell me what the hell is up with these things? I'm three books in and I have no idea what the differences is or what their relationships are between these Others and the wights. It's clearly really important, but they're used interchangeably but are clearly different.
Thanks, that was what I needed. I read down to the first line on the A Storm of Swords section.
So the wights are thralls of the Others. That's what I didn't understand. A Storm of Swords used them in a confusing way; the three horn blows signal Others, but then they're attacked by wights, as if they were the same. When they are clearly not. That lost me.
Thanks, that was what I needed. I read down to the first line on the A Storm of Swords section.
So the wights are thralls of the Others. That's what I didn't understand. A Storm of Swords used them in a confusing way; the three horn blows signal Others, but then they're attacked by wights, as if they were the same. When they are clearly not. That lost me.
Think about what the horn call for "wildlings" includes. Not just free-folk, but everything else, Thenns, giants, Hornfoots, etc. Same for the "Rangers" horn call, it includes any NW in general. Its more like a faction call instead of unit type.
Think about what the horn call for "wildlings" includes. Not just free-folk, but everything else, Thenns, giants, Hornfoots, etc. Same for the "Rangers" horn call, it includes any NW in general. Its more like a faction call instead of unit type.
Sure it's been mentioned before, but the Audiobooks took a notable turn with this book due to bringing Dotrice back after so many years. But it is still good stuff.
which I had heard about much without knowing any specifics. It's put me in a sour mood, but the more I think on it the more cheered I get.
I've been actively rooting for Catlyn's death from the moment she stood up and abducted Tyrion in that inn back in book 1. She started a war, which led directly to her husband's death and the sacking of her home town, and the slaughter of her people. Then she releases her son's only captive of value, which enabled his ambush and her own demise. I suppose it's fitting that she finally fucked up enough to get herself killed.
I've never hated a leading character as much as her.
Of course, googling her name to make sure I spelled it right, I find she get resurrected soon. Which is so, so stupid. There goes my gladness.
I have not enjoyed A Storm of Swords. The plot lines are incredibly wandering; GRRM had no idea what to do with Arya, she's wandered aimlessly for two books now. Bran's story is equally boring, and Jaime's wandering is starting to mirror Arya's. None of those plot threads have been interesting at all, the just sort of lurch along. Daenerys' story is better, but her chapters feel more like an intermission due to the total separation between the narrative threads. I assume they close as some point but the way things are going it'll all end up one big troll by GRRM and she'll accidentally burn her own ship down in crossing and drown.
Regarding Robb.
I was originally kind of pissed about his death and the slaughter of his army. But I don't feel like I really got to know him as a character. He wasn't a POV, and we never really had insight into him, just the (often wrong) observations from her fuckwad of a mother.
I figured he'd die soon, since GRRM's MO seems to be to skullfuck every borderline likable character. I figure Tyrion is up next at this rate.
I'll finish Storm of Swords. Not sure I'll keep going though, there's no real enjoyment to be had. It's just a gauntlet of misery and the only real questions I have are who gets fucked harder. Might just wiki the other two and then follow the HBO series.
which I had heard about much without knowing any specifics. It's put me in a sour mood, but the more I think on it the more cheered I get.
I've been actively rooting for Catlyn's death from the moment she stood up and abducted Tyrion in that inn back in book 1. She started a war, which led directly to her husband's death and the sacking of her home town, and the slaughter of her people. Then she releases her son's only captive of value, which enabled his ambush and her own demise. I suppose it's fitting that she finally fucked up enough to get herself killed.
I've never hated a leading character as much as her.
Of course, googling her name to make sure I spelled it right, I find she get resurrected soon. Which is so, so stupid. There goes my gladness.
A Feast For Crows is completed. It was certainly a bit long winded and not as exciting as the others. But overall, my biggest complaint is that Roy Dotrice had such a long wait between recording the audiobook for Storm of Swords and A Feast for Crows that he forgot which voice was used for some characters. It's not that distracting, except for Peter, who went from a young sounding schemer, to a burly knight.
While It was fun watching Cersei descend into madness, it just went on too long. You knew she was heading for a brick wall, and I just wanted to to be done already. I hope it gets more interesting, because it felt a bit anticlimactic.
I could not care less about the Iron Islands plot lines. Hope it goes somewhere, but man is this a boring way to start it.
The Dorn plot line was boring up until the last bit where you hear about his plans.
Sam's getting to be pretty awesome.
Fuck Catelyn Stark. Even as a zombie she's an idiot, and now she can't be killed.
Arya continues to be awesome.
I don't believe that either of the Clegane's are really dead. I assume Qyburn is doing some wild stuff in the Dungeon's and cured him. And it seemed pretty obvious that Sandor was not "killed"
I hope Davos isn't dead. Not really for any love of the character, but because it would be very stupid for a character to just be killed in a secondhand story all of a sudden. I don't think he's dead though. He's in White Harbor, and I figure if Rickon and Osha were heading there, they must be pretty loyal to the Starks, even with them being pretty much wiped out.
I still have a tough time feeling sympathy for Jamie. I do love the arc his character has been going through, but I still think he's an asshole.
Since the thread is already bumped, I might as well add that I will be starting the books in early May. The purchasing of the first book will be a bit of a reward for myself, for a job (hopefully) well done in the spring semester and something to keep my busy during my weeks off before summer classes begin. I began watching the series earlier this year, and I'm now currently caught up and pretty much loving every second of every episode. My goal is to finish at least two of the books before Fall term begins.
With that said, any recommendations/suggestions for a fan of the Game of Thrones TV series jumping into the books for the first time?
Since the thread is already bumped, I might as well add that I will be starting the books in early May. The purchasing of the first book will be a bit of a reward for myself, for a job (hopefully) well done in the spring semester and something to keep my busy during my weeks off before summer classes begin. I began watching the series earlier this year, and I'm now currently caught up and pretty much loving every second of every episode. My goal is to finish at least two of the books before Fall term begins.
With that said, any recommendations/suggestions for a fan of the Game of Thrones TV series jumping into the books for the first time?
Anyone else enjoying the differences between show and books? So far it's all been well presented and provides surprises, which you wouldn't expect or get from a faithful adaptation.
Anyone else enjoying the differences between show and books? So far it's all been well presented and provides surprises, which you wouldn't expect or get from a faithful adaptation.
So, what do you guys think of starting the book after being caught up on all the seasons so far?
I want to stop watching the show and read the books first, but I feel like I'll just be wasting my time having to get caught up on the books, considering I know what happens until the latest episode that airs.
But apparently this is like a 7 part series, so eventually I'll be outpacing the show. I just wonder if it's worth the time.
So, what do you guys think of starting the book after being caught up on all the seasons so far?
I want to stop watching the show and read the books first, but I feel like I'll just be wasting my time having to get caught up on the books, considering I know what happens until the latest episode that airs.
But apparently this is like a 7 part series, so eventually I'll be outpacing the show. I just wonder if it's worth the time.
So, what do you guys think of starting the book after being caught up on all the seasons so far?
I want to stop watching the show and read the books first, but I feel like I'll just be wasting my time having to get caught up on the books, considering I know what happens until the latest episode that airs.
But apparently this is like a 7 part series, so eventually I'll be outpacing the show. I just wonder if it's worth the time.
