Oppo
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200 that attacked police/embassies out of a larger group, numbers not reported.
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Pakistan clashes over Hebdo cartoon
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200 that attacked police/embassies out of a larger group, numbers not reported.
So what? It has to do with people calling for death.
Aquamarine
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it's not just one protest of 200 people...read the article.
Religion obviously has something to do with it, whoever said it didn't is crazy. However lumping every Muslim together for the actions of a few is the issue.
WeAreStarStuff
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Religion does crazy things to the minds of some people; those images..
Again, there are no agreed upon characteristics on what constitutes a cult.
It's a completely arbitrary denomination for everything vaguely religious, used in a pejorative context.
Brerlappin
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It actually did. At one point, Islam was the most progressive and forward thinking of all world religions. It actually embraced science and made Catholocism at the time seem like radical Islam does today. I cant straight up remember what changed it tho, i just remember seeing it in an episode of Carl Sagans Cosmos lol
Doesn't matter how often it's repeated, it'll keep getting ignored. I guess the benefit of being loosely affiliated with 1.5 billion people is that you can always say 'but it's just a minority of muslims, so islam has nothing to do with it!'.
Don't forget to fear the rise of the European far right though. 'It's just a minority' rule doesn't apply there.
It's a fabricated issue. Nobody says 'all muslims', even if they're criticising islam.
You can blame the Mongols to a degree, I guess.
Brerlappin
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Mongols are the worst act of terrorism
Oppo
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Dave, let's you and I start the "Did I Fucking Stutter?" Party.
It's really not that hard to understand. You're young, don't know anything frame your whole world around a particular dynamic. A dynamic that guards itself against being seduced by evil ideas. Then you a lifes purpose of defending the good in a celestial conflict. It's really only by the grace of years of education that people truly begin understanding how to approach the world and what tools make sense. It think it's fine to hold such antiquated beliefs in contempt is fine, but it goes a long way to have some empathy and knowledge on the whole dynamic from which it all emerges.
RustyNails
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Yaphett Kotto
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Read about some hundred Muslims, mostly from a conservative organization, protesting about cartoons and instantly think the whole nation is behind it and worry more about the cartoons than the killings of students in military-ran schools with a sprinkle of the prophet being a warlord.
Never change, Gaf.
Never change, Gaf.
Naked Snake
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"The protest was part of a nationwide rally ...."
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Some of us read the article. You didn't,
RustyNails
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I dont see millions and millions of Muslims storming French embassies, do you? Far right nationalism in Europe is fringe with little to no representation. Until they start lynching Muslims in the street I'll be keeping them in my tiny right wing crazy extremists file.
SneakyStephan
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200 people that belong to a fanatical group showed up and a few of them hold up that retarded banner.
Yes they really are representative of the entire country, just like the GOP is representative of the US.
We all know you 'mericuns are all gay hating, ultra racist assholes
RustyNails
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They CALLED for a nationwide rally. Only 200 people showed up.
near
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It's not a fabricated issue when the actions of a few result in the overall suffering of everyone affliated. To the point that even Rupert Murdoch adds insult to injury.
PhantomHound
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It's 'Murica.
And when there's more outrage over a cartoon than the killing of school children, there is a problem with that group.
Kenshin001
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Because most civilized people don't consider threatening someone's life inclusive of free speech. Threatening people actually drags free speech down. This is the nonsensical equivalence argument where if a cartoonist mocks a religion then people have the right to threaten to kill him because uh, free speech. If Bill Maher said Muslims should be hanged he would be jobless too.
Lone Wolf
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Drawing pictures of their Prophet, who is certainly not made up. He was very real.
RustyNails
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So what. There are countless Hang Bush, Hang Obama protests over there. In fact there were a few Hang Bush signs during Iraq War protest here in America.
CadetMahoney
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Whether real or not, what does it matter?
What makes him so special that people can't draw pictures of him but can of everyone else?
Nothing.
Called for by a political party and their politicians also officially condemned the cartoon.
I'm not blaming the entirety of Pakistan's population here, but this certainly goes farther than 200 nutjobs.
Oppo
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I believe they are in fact countable, but that is internal political fringe crap. which politicians called for a hanging ?
Poetic.Injustice
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When has that political party ever been in power? The answer is never.
What a shitty thread full of ignorance. I'm out.
Well there isn't one single event. There is something called Islam, and Muslim Culture, and the culture part is essentially stuff that got picked up along the way. The niqab and the burka for example, got picked up from Persia iirc.
The protesters were student activists from jamaat e islami according to the article, which is wahhabi - modern Saudi Arabian off shoot. Wahhabism has a lot of money behind it unfortunately.
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Nope. They reported an estimated 200 clashed with police in that article. They clearly say these protests were called for by the nation's largest Islamist party and are occurring in numerous cities.
Yaphett Kotto
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It was 200 damn people out of over 196 million. Go reread the article.
Debatable.
Lone Wolf
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I agree with you, i'm just stating that he did exist, for better or worse.
He existed, as did Jesus. Whether you want to believe anything after that is on you.
Who gives a shit? Can I not criticize the NPD and their voters just because they never provided the chancellor in Germany?
MilkyJoe
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Because beheading is sooo... last year...
captainnapalm
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Decided to do a little research based on one of the names in the article.
Jamaat-e-Islami, the group who organised the protest and presumably created those charming banners, are a social conservative, and Islamist political party. Its objective is to make Pakistan an Islamic state, governed by Sharia law. It was founded in India but moved (?) to Pakistan after Indian independence.
In Pakistan, The party came under severe government repression in 1948, 1953, and 1963. In other words, presumably because the leadership in Pakistan were not in favour of their aims, but later during the early years of the regime of General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, they served as the "regime's ideological and political arm". So suddenly they found a political leader open to supporting them.
Who is General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq? He was the sixth President of Pakistan from 1978 until his death in 1988. Aided by the United States and Saudi Arabia, he systematically coordinated the Afghan mujahideen against the Soviet occupation throughout the 1980s. He rose to power following a coup and the removal of Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto from office.
The United States, notably the Reagan's Administration, was an ardent supporter of Zia's military regime and a close ally of Pakistan's conservative-leaning ruling military establishment. The Reagan administration declared Zia's regime as the "front line" ally of the United States in the fight against the Communism.
Many of Pakistan's political scientists and historians widely suspected that the riots and coup against Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was orchestrated with help of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the United States Government because United States growing fear of Bhutto's socialist policies which were seen as sympathetic towards the Soviet Union.
Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark widely suspected the United States' involvement in bringing down the Bhutto's government, and publicly accused the United States' Government after attending the trial.
So now we have a bit of an insight as to how a fringe, far-right fundamentalist political party was able to gain a foothold in Pakistan.
Quite a web, eh? Politics, intrigue, double dealing, coups, CIA, Reagan.
But of course it's only about religion. A lot of posters here have it figured out.
Jamaat-e-Islami, the group who organised the protest and presumably created those charming banners, are a social conservative, and Islamist political party. Its objective is to make Pakistan an Islamic state, governed by Sharia law. It was founded in India but moved (?) to Pakistan after Indian independence.
In Pakistan, The party came under severe government repression in 1948, 1953, and 1963. In other words, presumably because the leadership in Pakistan were not in favour of their aims, but later during the early years of the regime of General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, they served as the "regime's ideological and political arm". So suddenly they found a political leader open to supporting them.
Who is General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq? He was the sixth President of Pakistan from 1978 until his death in 1988. Aided by the United States and Saudi Arabia, he systematically coordinated the Afghan mujahideen against the Soviet occupation throughout the 1980s. He rose to power following a coup and the removal of Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto from office.
The United States, notably the Reagan's Administration, was an ardent supporter of Zia's military regime and a close ally of Pakistan's conservative-leaning ruling military establishment. The Reagan administration declared Zia's regime as the "front line" ally of the United States in the fight against the Communism.
Many of Pakistan's political scientists and historians widely suspected that the riots and coup against Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was orchestrated with help of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the United States Government because United States growing fear of Bhutto's socialist policies which were seen as sympathetic towards the Soviet Union.
Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark widely suspected the United States' involvement in bringing down the Bhutto's government, and publicly accused the United States' Government after attending the trial.
So now we have a bit of an insight as to how a fringe, far-right fundamentalist political party was able to gain a foothold in Pakistan.
Quite a web, eh? Politics, intrigue, double dealing, coups, CIA, Reagan.
But of course it's only about religion. A lot of posters here have it figured out.
Existence of Jesus is sketchy too.
near
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Aniconism can lead to idol worship, it is frown upon in islam because muslims do not wish to worship anything other than one god, and Muhammed is not a god, but merely a messenger. It is more about retaining the religion the way it was meant to be than allowing it to manifest into something new. The religion doesn't teach to kill those that do encourage depictions of Muhammed or any other prophet, that's just another manifestion of one person's desire that spread to a minority of it's followers. There is clearly a double standard here for some muslims and that should be the talking point to clarify the root of the problem.
People should read more in this thread.
What does it matter if even 10,000 people rallied? They are allowed to protest against the cartoons. It's the crazies holding signs that ask for hangings etc that are the issue here. Thankfully that group was very small in the grand scheme of things. You get more crazy members of the Tea Party and EDL types marching than there are crazy Pakistani's in this said rally. There will always be right wing extremists, whatever the country. I'd imagine more in Pakistan partly as a result of their education and socio economic limitations.
Well the US still has a hand in a lot of the Muslim world. Whether it be Iraq , Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Israel/Palestine or even the relationship with Saudi Arabia.
And_Gignac
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200 protesters is an irrelevant number. Not even worth reporting, if only to push wrong perceptions about Muslims.
John Bender
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Seriously? Seriously??
A special force should "remove" these people as soon as possible.
Human scum.
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