Don't try to make this sound like some crazy conspiracy. The media obviously has an interest in resisting this change and sensationalizing things. They stream the press conferences so they must make a good chunk of money from that. It's the biggest video game press event of the year and Nintendo is cutting them off from a source of revenue. Why shouldn't the press take some responsibility for purposefully misrepresenting the facts or refusing to report on them out of personal self interest? If a bully starts making up rumors about a kid at school because the kid dresses a certain way would you just blame the kid and tell him to stop making the bully pick on him?
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Play Nintendo - Announcing Nintendo @ E3 2014
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Don't try to make this sound like some crazy conspiracy. The media obviously has an interest in resisting this change and sensationalizing things. They stream the press conferences so they must make a good chunk of money from that. It's the biggest video game press event of the year and Nintendo is cutting them off from a source of revenue. Why shouldn't the press take some responsibility for purposefully misrepresenting the facts or refusing to report on them out of personal self interest? If a bully starts making up rumors about a kid at school because the kid dresses a certain way would you just blame the kid and tell him to stop making the bully pick on him?
Oh my fucking god.It's time...
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Not really, as they've done that exact same thing before following the press conferences, such as with hands-on demos of the 3DS and Skyward Sword, as well as another year with a bunch of 3DS hands-on demos. Hell, Nintendo used to even have Q&As immediately following their conference, on the exact same stage, which is where the infamous Nintendojo question was asked.
In fact, there was less of a gap between those demos and Q&A (as in there wasn't one at all) as compared to last years Direct and press demos, which followed more than an hour later
So I take it you missed the part where Sony directly took MS to task for thheir anti-consumerist policies, received several standing ovations from the audience, and was plastered all over gaming and general media because of this?
No? But I do think it's a factor. One of many, but a factor, nonetheless.
I mean, isn't this basically what that other thread poster proved?
I'm going to bold the part of that post that's most pertinent to you:
Not only that. If the reveals are potent enough, word will get around and people will see the footage. Just as they would if they held a press conference. Because at the end of the day, it's the content that makes the noise and will speak for itself. How they choose to reveal it is moot.
Is that not what I said? Sony didn't fuck over their fans and everyone praised them for it. Woooooooooooooooooow. That's so kind of them! It's amazing! "Hey everyone! We're not killing you today! Aren't we nice?"
And you don't think that the mountain of good press Sony got for that contributed to the PS4's high sales numbers?
The message and reaction would have carried the same weight, regardless if it was at a press conference or not. Everyone on the internet would have still been watching a stream either way. It's the content and message that ultimately resonates.
No one proved anything
Everyone's just speculating
Stop exaggerating too ("was plastered all over gaming and general media" - what general media?!)
Hyperactivity
Banned
They're at the actual E3 with booths and demos for those at E3, and for those who aren't, how exactly are we going to be watching all the E3 pressers in general
Oh right, we're going to see them being streamed
Im sorry, what's the problem here....
As a gamer, you shouldn't really GAF either way....
quoting this again, as this is the only major effect and the reason for the yellow press that's already being spread
The price likely helped far more than anything. $100 cheaper in this day and age goes a long way.
The media doesn't hate it, because they're gonna get their "New Zelda Game" clicks either way.
It's really just fanboys fightin'
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
It's time...
Now I know which GIF i'm going to use for E3 GIF/WEBM OP.
To deny the effect of this announcement being accompanied by the thunderous and genuine applause of an entire auditorium of fans and industry professionals is to turn a blind eye to the way media works and has always worked.
We're just going to have to disagree.
You're telling me that the press hooting and hollering while their hands touch sells games? Fucking Nintendo should have tried this at E3 2012 with the Wii U.
So, times are changing and nowadays a company like nintendo can directly talk to their customers and directly tell their mesage to them. But, because the "media" still exists, they cant do that because that would be bad for the media and therefore for them... But, what if customers prefer to hear the mesage from nintendo. Maybe, in that case, things could change in the future?? I dont like the media, i like nintendo. I like nintendo talking to me...
The information mattered, not how that information was dished out. The hollering the fans did at the press didn't cause the sales and goodwill, the information itself did. That information would have reached the audience and everybody at home either way through other mediums.
Yes.
I mean if you want to simplify it.
Ask anyone today what an Xbox One is and let me hear the responses you get.
Nintendo did try this, with their Twilight Princess announcement.
To do this day Miyamoto coming out on stage is considered one of Nintendo's most iconic moments and STILL gets mentioned regularly among enthusiasts.
Can the same be said for any specific moment of a Nintendo Direct? That's not shade--I'm genuinely asking since I don't watch all of them.
Right, if they're going to do those then what do they need the main conference for? Seems redundant. Their reasoning last year was that the media was confused because it's harder to show and explain than to just let them experience it for themselves. And live stage demos can go wrong. So they had a pre-recorded conference for the gaming audience tailored to them and they had a live press conference for the press tailored to them.
Nintendo can't rely on the press. They have to be more thorough and intimate with how they present the information to them. That's why they had a conference for them last E3 at their booth so that they could let them experience the games first hand and get the facts straight. Again, we shouldn't be blaming Nintendo for the bad press they are getting for this decision when it's clearly agenda driven. The press isn't stupid (well, not that stupid).
How did they do it if it was something that they didn't control?
I'm guessing they had a prompt during the Zelda TP reveal that said, "Cry, shout, stand up now!"
What would they say? I haven't asked, but I would assume they would say, "Is that the new Xbox?"
Oh, I don't doubt the effect at all. I am merely saying that the response would have been the same to all watching either way. As the potency of the message would remain in the face of the draconian bullshit that Microsoft was trying to pull at $100 more expensive. My point is that if you give people what they want, it is not going to matter if it is presented at a press conference or not. But sure, it certainly has an impact with a roaring crowd and all.
StreetsAhead
Member
Right, because it couldn't possibly be mostly due to the effect of the announcements themselves. Nintendo is doooomed because they don't have a bunch of journalists applauding and screaming like idiots in an auditorium.
Hilarious.
Dude, this is nothing new.
Corporations wanting to have complete control of their messaging and brand image is NOTHING new, and before the growth of national journalism and new publications was rather commonplace. Back in the day this was seen as a problem. And why? Because corporations took advantage of it.
What does that have to do with anything?
The reason the Wii U is doing so badly has nothing to do with the way Nintendo has been presenting their information at E3. It's the content itself.
It's definitely energizing but has nothing to do with sales of the game. It generates some buzz, but again, the content is what generates the buzz not the journalists screaming their hearts out. Whether they choose to report on the content Nintendo presents in their live stream is up to them.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Yeah, and they're not buying games, even Nintendo games. They need to start buying games and Nintendo needs to start making sure that happens.
That's not a validation of one presentation method over another, merely that they had content people wanted to hear and see more voraciously. They could have presented it in a pre-taped situation and got the same result. And in fact, they partly did with the PS4 game sharing video.
You're not making your case for one presentation method over another, which is the whole point of you entering this discussion.
I'm sure it did. But you haven't convinced anyone that a pre-taped showing of the same content would have had a lesser effect.
People mention it but does that even matter? So they caused a few guys to scream in their seats a decade ago so...? Have they replicated that since? That's sentimental feelings. Yeah it feels awesome. No that doesn't translate to the millions of sales it gets, or lack of for that matter. People literally moan at E3 when they bring out the annual COD and AssCreed gameplay out at E3 but the sales seem fine to me. Moans, giggles, applause, laughter. It's all noise at the end of the day. Cool stuff as a fan to see live but sentiments nonetheless.
prag16
Banned
This is horse shit. The "journalists" almost entirely manufactured the "confusion" over the Wii U after E3 2011. Everybody watching the stream knew it was a new console, including the journalists. Yet the filter they decided to create for the masses involved portraying the system as a very confusing potential Wii add-on.
But no, if the actual facts had been allowed to make it to the mainstream unfiltered, it's BAD because it lacks "journalism" spin.
Please.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
So are we calling this a hoax, or did things just get interesting...?
If you truly believe the part of your statement that I bolded, then you're really not disagreeing with me. lol
It does have an impact, and I think Sony with last year's E3 proved that it could have a significant one. Buzz feeds into hype, and hype drives sales. Create enough buzz, you will create sales. This is marketing 101. Sony's bold stance last E3 and the reaction it got was inspiring, and the most talked-about moment from last E3. It was described by a lot of people as a "changing tide." To not think that had anything to do with the PS4's record-breaking sales later that year is just not paying attention.
What!? Dude, I was in those E3 2011 threads just as much as you, and you know damn well that damn near HALF OF GAF didn't even know it was a new console as the conference was going. And the E3 threads are waiting in the archives if you don't believe it. Nintendo genuinely confused a lot of people that year. The media didn't spin shit.
You can make your point, but don't be purposefully obtuse about it.
Seems some people forget that Twilight Princess was delayed time and time again and ported to a new console, as a LAUNCH title, and generated a lot of media hype without the press screaming like children. Screams at E3 != sales, but I'd like to see the ratio of screams to sales graphed if anyone is willing to do it. Aquamarine?
The hyperbole in this one is strong
ShockingAlberto
Member
90% sure it was a search engine catcher to lead people to the E3 site that they probably removed to avoid confusion.
...was Sony's handing it to MS not the most talked about moment from last E3?
There was a thread about that and I saw "SEO" tossed around or something.
I think most concluded that it was nothing.
prag16
Banned
I didn't become a gaf lurker until late 2011, member mid 2012. I never saw those threads. It's possible you're right, and that I'm giving gaf way too much credit. If you're right, I'm surprised and disappointed. None of my other gamer friends (real life and internet) were confused in the least.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
I thought about that, since it's a meta tag. S'why I didn't bother to make a thread.
A lot of the GAFers in those threads also thought that the 360 versions of Wii U third party ports shown looked worse than the 360 versions that they were. Anyone that seriously thought that the Wii U could be some kind of magical controller that would allow Wii to play HD games weren't being attentive.
That was one of the most embarrassing gaf moments ever.
It didn't help that the first thing you saw was a person holding a Wii mote playing New Super Mario Bros. though. Especially for people who only watch those trailers.
Now to be fair, they never actually showed the console during the reveal. Just the game pad iirc.