Dr. Kitty Muffins
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On a side note, once Namco puts up their PS3 Tales games for Playstation Now, I am buying them.
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PlayStation Now announced (PS1/2/3 streaming to TVs/Tablets/Phones/PSes, Summer 2014)
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Vyse The Legend
Member
So, how do I get into the Beta?
When talking about network, the server power isn't relevant. There'll be enough server-power to support rendering the games fast enough. It has to happen real time, so it will be pipelined like a game console - make as many frames as you can per second. The input commands are of course no stress to the server, and is a part of the normal game-flow.
Netflix has the benefit that it can pause to buffer. PS won't. With compression probably being reference frame based, there could be some weird artifacts if your network slowed down for a second.
Essentially just imagine a PS3 with the HDMI connected to a server that compresses the video and sends it to you. The PS3 part works - you've tried it yourself. You have nothing to worry about that "it has to do all of this so quickly", as that part will work. It's the fact that you're so far away, and that it'll take time for the image to reach you, and for the button presses to reach it - that's the latency everyone's afraid of.
Dorimukyasuto
Member
So, how do we get into this beta?
3rd parties are def the wild card. I imagine a lot of them will get on board since they aren't doing much with their back catalog anyway.
I do think companies like SE are going to be very selective about what titles they agree to have on the service since they are busy tapping into their old games and porting them to mobile.
fastest finger
Member
I think the two will co-exist.
Well, every device that isn't an Xbox I'm sure.
modernlifeisANDY
Member
Considering they haven't detailed the logistics of the subscription service, it's far too early to say - but I would imagine at most they would be asking $19.99 a month. There are probably limits on the number of titles you can play at any one time, similar to the "limited availability" of PSN+ games.
Pretty sure that's the goal
meanwhile in europe...
Ah. I should have figured a service like that wouldn't hit Europe for a while
While I agree that it'll be more expensive, it has nothing to do with the original price of games. They'll make it as cheap as possible. It's just that the amount of server power needed will make the operation costs pretty high. So yeah, I think it'll be higher than Netflix, but I have no idea how much.
Why would you suggest that? Remember there won't be much, if any, client side processing of data. Everything will be done server side, with the processed content streamed to your device for output. Your tablet/TV/phone/whatever will be essentially a dumb terminal that sends input data and receives rendered video.
HD quality video over the internet will require a fair chunk of bandwidth, especially if we're talking 1080p video, all while sending data input commands to the server centre.
Anyone mess with Vudu?
They have a disc to digital service. Put in a DVD movie in your drive and pay a fee for the SD/HD digital copy.
I wish they had something like this. Charge me a minimal fee for digital versions or streams of games I already have.
Sure, I have no clue how it will work but heck, they figured out for movies...so.. why not?
They have a disc to digital service. Put in a DVD movie in your drive and pay a fee for the SD/HD digital copy.
I wish they had something like this. Charge me a minimal fee for digital versions or streams of games I already have.
Sure, I have no clue how it will work but heck, they figured out for movies...so.. why not?
They mentioned something about "a range of titles" when talking about the subscription model. We'll probably end up paying a sub for each platform or they may have you sub to genre or publisher blocks.
EightBitNate
Member
Even if itsnt part of PS+, I very much doubt they'll charge more than the price of PS+ every month. The games will be added to PS4's and Vita's IGC eventually, so I'm not too worried about the price. Sony has proof that low prices for subscription based content can work really well. They'd be foolish to charge $8+ a month for it.
Am I the only one who thinks it makes more sense to download an image to your ps4 or vita and play a ps1 game via emulation than it does via streaming..? Surely it's a lower bandwidth cost to download something like FFVII than to stream 40+ hours. Not to mention latency in racing games etc...
Just came to this section in the Sony CES stream.
Wow...is all I can say. Totally didnt expect it to be used on non Playstation hardware. Onlive....I have used it and it is similar. Sony has a chance to separate themselves from MS by a large margin with this.
Wow...is all I can say. Totally didnt expect it to be used on non Playstation hardware. Onlive....I have used it and it is similar. Sony has a chance to separate themselves from MS by a large margin with this.
BronsonLee
Member
Oh SHIT
I forgot Vudu did this. It's an incredible service, and it can be done with any DVD player on a computer and the like. So convenient.
This could be baller
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Did they say if the rent is on a per hour, day, or week basis?
I always feel too rushed to enjoy anything on a hourly or daily rate. A week would be ideal.
I always feel too rushed to enjoy anything on a hourly or daily rate. A week would be ideal.
Netflix' HD stream is ~6 mbps. That's all we need to relate to. Given that Sony has an equally good compression of the final video rendered, it won't need more than that. When sending your input data back will essentially be 0.001% of that amount of data, it doesn't matter in the equation.
What was said was that once you have over 10mbps, you'll have all the bandwidth you'll ever need, using this service. The rest is down to how long it takes for that data to reach you from the servers.
If you put in your DVD, you can download and be done with the movie forever. With Sony's service, you're basically renting a PS3 they have in a server-park somewhere every time you play. Your idea would be great for PSN, though.
Souldestroyer
Banned
When you put it like that... Im ok with you guys being Beta testers
Just watched the lifestream there, love how they are giving us an option with Playstation now, you can either :
- Just rent the game for a set amount of time.
or
- Pay a subscription which gives you access to all the games for as long as you pay the subscription.
Also the playstation now logo looks like a viagra pill.
fastest finger
Member
Mihos
Gold Member
Sure, but good luck with PS2/3/4/PSP/VIta games and doing it with all those different devices.
I wouldn't try this with fighters or shooters, but I play my PS4 madden almost exclusively over remote play to my Vita now and it is fine.
opticalmace
Member
Looks great.
Immediately, I think about PS4s feature to start a game while it's installing. I'd guess that that's what they mean by streamable.
Very hard to judge. Since they're doing it with their games, they can likely recompile them, maybe even to different hardware. They might emulate some things, but given that you need a ton more processing power to emulate anything, it's safe to assume they're adapting their hardware and games to work with each other.
Since it's very hard to predict peak load on something like this, it might not be virtualized, but I have no idea.
Luckily, there's nothing keeping them from having all games always available.
It's sad really...
Sony Online Entertainment has plenty of PC-only games so it's not like Sony is totally against the PC market or anything.
I really hope they eventually bring it on PC: it's an untapped market.
Tons of PC gamers who want to play some Sony exclusives but don't want to buy a console for just a few games.
Yup and PSP. I guess they don't want to do it to prevent abuse but why not make some money off of it. It's not like people are buying PSP/PS2 physical games now,.
Angelcurio
Gold Member
Even though this type of service would do wonders for some insanely big games like MGS4, i don't really see the point when it comes to PS1 titles. Some of the best original PS1 games have a size as small as a couple of hundreds MB, yet to stream that same 200 mb game over a period of a couple of hours would probably waste more bandwitch than to actually download the title to play it with a Sony provided emulator.
The service sounds interesting, and the fact that they will make it available even on TV's is even better. But for PS1 titles, i think that Sony would have done better going with some kind of emulator as is actually present on PS2, PSP, PS3 and Vita. That way, our already owned titles would be widely available on huge variety of devices by simply logging with out account. As someone yesterday mentioned on the CES conference thread, a Vita TV kind of service, available for all types of Sony devices, with the capability of playing natively (not streaming) PS Vita, PS1 and PSP titles, would have been really wonderfull.
The service sounds interesting, and the fact that they will make it available even on TV's is even better. But for PS1 titles, i think that Sony would have done better going with some kind of emulator as is actually present on PS2, PSP, PS3 and Vita. That way, our already owned titles would be widely available on huge variety of devices by simply logging with out account. As someone yesterday mentioned on the CES conference thread, a Vita TV kind of service, available for all types of Sony devices, with the capability of playing natively (not streaming) PS Vita, PS1 and PSP titles, would have been really wonderfull.
soundpross
Neo Member
holy cow thats playstation now? if someone told me there was a ps3 off screen id believe it
greatestjediever
Member
Sure, for bandwidth purposes, that completely makes sense, and we already have that on the PS3 and PSVita (and maybe one day with the PS4). That said, you're bound by emulator in the machine itself. This may be fine for PS1 games or maybe some PS2 games, but you're limited by the library of games that can work in those circumstances.
Not to mention, there are way more TVs/tablets/phones than there are consoles. They can change their revenue model from a strictly hardware and licensing to a service model approach. I think it's a pretty smart way to go, but we'll have to see how it turns out in the real market.
Mihos
Gold Member
Henry Jones Jr
Member
Sounds impressive. I'm excited to see how it works in the real world.
Also, a summer roll out it earlier than I expected.
Also, a summer roll out it earlier than I expected.
Baron_Calamity
Member
If its mostly older back catalog stuff, I could see it.