Hynix feels like 4-Hi stacks will be targeted for graphics applications so that means 8GB of RAM with (upto) 512GB/s bandwidth if they only use 2
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Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Are you sure you aren't confusing 2Gb per die with 2GB per stack? 4x1GB stacks was pretty much the best AMD could do. If they could have added more RAM to the Fury X, I'm pretty sure they would have. Having your top end card max out at 4GB couldn't have helped impressions.
As for HBM2, I have no idea how it's costs stack up with the savings it provides.
Both Samsung and Hynix are planning to produce 8GB HBM2 dies later this year.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
If they could manage KI at 1080/60 with full AA and increased textures, it would be amazing.
4K 60 would be asking too much I think.
They can't use 4 because Sony has a "4" this generation. Brands don't like to cross-match numbers like that. Note the lack of "Xbox 2" (they squeezed a "3" in there with the "360") or "Xbox 3" names. Even the Galaxy Note "6" is rumored to be jumping to "7".
Lol this thread started off great and has consistently gone in circles. It has been a treat to read leading up to E3.
explain Xbox One then
We're going in circles until new info is leaked or gleaned.
Way too much. Killer Instinct runs at 1600x900. 4k is almost 6 times as many pixels.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
its ONE as in all in ONE device. Not number 1.
Its not called Xbox 1 for that very sole reason.
yeah I know that but it still goes against that "no smaller numbers" theory
anothertech
Member
KinofChaos
Banned
I understand the reasoning but it is still a stupid name.
The Neo is 5TF now? Since when?
Proelite
Member
The demographic that would pick up a slim Xb1 at $199 are not the same as the one that would wait a year for the Scorpio, nor will they buy a Neo.
Even if someone is going to wait for the Scorpio instead, then its still good for MS in the long wrong.
The only competition to slim XB1 is the PS4.
5TF is the lower range of the rumor from one of the sources so people that prefer it to be 5 will say 5. Even though there is a different source saying just 6.
Are you mixing up Neo and Scorpio?
It will be the bargain of the year if it is.
Oh I thought he meant Scorpio, people are doing that with the Scorpio though.
Who would even imply the Neo would be at 5 TF?
I think $299 list and $249 with discounts during holiday.
Fat Xbox One will be $249 and $199 holiday IMO.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
I mean MSRP for the RX 480 is $200....
So possibly?
Though I would bet it would be $249 in order to squeeze out a bit more profit.
Oh no I know about the Scorpio. He was saying the Neo is 5TF when it has come out that it's 4.14 right now in the dev kits.
Hah sorry, I was watching a TV show at the same time. Need to pay more attention before commenting.
stan423321
Member
I don't see the difference, honestly. As a Bytebeard Bay visitor of sorts, I've seen abbreviations such as 255in1 all the time.
Tripolygon
Banned
It is not 4.14TF, that doesn't make any sense.
Gies just took PS4 1.84TF and multiplied by 2.25 = 4.14TF
That is how that number came about. Going purely from known spec, it is 4.19TF or ~4.2TF
Whoops my bad. I knew it was a 4.1x and .14 was sticking with me for some reason.
curiouscharles
Member
not really though.
it's supposed to undermine the whole keeping-up-with-numbers game by resetting it back to ground zero.
notice how i said zero, not 0? ;p
not saying it worked or anything, but i think their logic / motivation there isn't too mysterious.
justsomeguy
Member
Yup even if Sony announce at e3 there is still loads of time in the coming months to have a dedicated Scorpio reveal event before neo is in shops. That's why I think no Scorpio reveal at this e3
justsomeguy
Member
Yeah, cmon
There might be some newer expensive components in it which keep it closer to $300
Is there really a difference between "All in ONE" and "All in 1"? It's not like two, too, and to (But it is like two and 2).
Outrun
Member
One is a special number.
One is the loneliest number
Are you sure?
I think he meant Ekim.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
It's not. Probably damage control
Tripolygon
Banned
No worries, its just technically incorrect information written by Gies.
This is how that information came about.
PS4 1152sp times 2.25 times 800Mhz times 2 = 4147200 or ~4.14TF
We know PS4 Neo Spec is
PS4 Neo 2304sp times 911Mhz times 2 = 4197888 or ~ 4.2TF
If we go by Gies's information and account for clock increase, it will put PS4 Neo at 4.7TF which is incorrect.
jeff_rigby
Banned
The confusion is based on Polaris 10 being 5.5 TF with a TDP of 150 watts and NEO's GPU being downclocked to make TDP room for a CPU which leaves the NEO at about 4.2 TF. Scorpio has the same TDP but because HBM2 uses 20-30 watts less than GDDR5 it can have a larger TDP budget for the GPU giving it about 6TF.
Proelite
Member
IMO that Neo TDP is currently most likely less than 120W (PS4). OsirisBlack mentioned the GPU being smaller and cooler(?).
Tripolygon
Banned
You're making things up. There has been no mention of HBM2 anywhere or what TDP Scorpio is going to have. All we have is Scorpio is shooting for over 4x Xbox One or somewhere between 5TF to 6TF.
Disregarding the actual power of the Neo, I think the point stands. If Sony announces they are releasing yet another more powerful machine and MS is perceived to be doubling down on their weaker one it won't be a good look for them. Better to just come out and announce their roadmap and give the message that their console is the better upgrade and worth waiting for if it is coming out later.
what would be the point of that?
