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All these Scorpio threads will be fun to go back to regardless of its Jaguar or Zen. Lots of people gonna be taking L's either way
Very much agree with this last bit. I'm a very optimistic Xbox owner now when before I was very lukewarm....Since Phil came in and shook things up I think Xbox has been doing quite well. A lot of amazing games on there and a great hardware revision (Xbox One S). Some of my favs of the generation were on Xbox first - Ori and the Blind Forest, Inside, Gears 4 etc. Great stuff.
Not very nice to bring that up again since it's untrue and also been dealt with millions of times over.
Jez and Matt recorded a new Xbox Central podcast that should go up tonight. So that will be a good listen in.
Every developer who's had hands on with it says its a next-gen machine and not half-arsed.Because, again that's what the signs point to as being most likely.
I'll ask you the same thing I asked above, where is the credible Zen rumor? Outside of NeoGAF speculation threads where is the big name sites / leakers talking about Zen cores in Scorpio?
I don't remember Sony making such a big deal over the Pro's specs which in hindsight made sense since it is a member of the PS4 platform i.e. it's still a PS4. All this focus on supposedly barrier-breaking specs seems OTT if it turns out that Scorpio is just an upgraded Xbox One. I mean we're not gonna going to see games built from the ground up (taking advantage of Scorpio's architecture) are we?Forza is the perfect game to help brush the shit CPU under the carpet. Locked 60fps and (probably) native 4K.
Who needs a decent CPU, it's all about teh balance!
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Eh, how so?
Are all the PC multiplats capped at PS4 graphical settings?
Is there zero reason to buy a PSPro?
What developers have said it's next gen? They specifically used the words next genEvery developer who's had hands on with it says its a next-gen machine and not half-arsed.
Putting a outdated Jaguar in a console in 2017 isn't next-gen. It's going to be Zen.
Every developer who's had hands on with it says its a next-gen machine and not half-arsed.
Putting a outdated Jaguar in a console in 2017 isn't next-gen. It's going to be Zen.
I don't remember Sony making such a big deal over the Pro's specs which in hindsight made sense since it is a member of the PS4 platform i.e. it's still a PS4. All this focus on supposedly barrier-breaking specs seems OTT if it turns out that Scorpio is just an upgraded Xbox One. I mean we're not gonna going to see games built from the ground up (taking advantage of Scorpio's architecture) are we?
Every developer who's had hands on with it says its a next-gen machine and not half-arsed.
Putting a outdated Jaguar in a console in 2017 isn't next-gen. It's going to be Zen.
Team who made Ori and Shadow of Mordor devs. Also, then taking into account people like Shinobi who are excited for it. People are obviously getting whifs of what this machine is and let's be blunt, people wouldn't have as much excitement if it was Jaguar.What developers have said it's next gen? They specifically used the words next gen
What, because two people said something means that they're talking crap? Should have all developers made a union and released a PR statement?All two of them that's commented.
I understand people are hyping up the specs but I do not recall anyone specifically calling it next genTeam who made Ori and Shadow of Mordor. Also, then taking into account people like Shinobi who are excited for it.
What, because two people said something means that they're talking crap? Should have all developers made a union and released a PR statement?
You don't even have the context for that ancient comment. Do you know where that comment originates from? I was being harassed constantly by "thelastword" (another poster around here) - every single thread he would show up and make baseless claims that we were all against Sony and couldn't be trusted. I was still green, though, and I let him get under my skin and, as a result, basically tried to spin things in the opposite direction without thinking about it. Didn't know how to deal with someone like that at the time. That's all.
These days, I love all platforms - I wouldn't own upwards of 400 games for Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One if I didn't. The original Xbox was amazing and Xbox 360 was the king of last generation. Take a look at the coverage I've done for all the big Microsoft games over the past couple years - I've been a huge champion of what they're doing.
However, early on in the days of Xbox One, I did wind up having a bone to pick with them based entirely on the attempts to eliminate game ownership. I'm a retro collector and that really really bugged me. I'm over it now but, at the time, I was not happy about that. I also didn't like the Kinect direction they were going. Basically, there WAS a period of 2 or 3 years where I wasn't fond of what Xbox was doing (but I've felt similarly about every company at some point in the past - could probably find all kinds of stuff in my 18 years of posting on GAF)).
Since Phil came in and shook things up I think Xbox has been doing quite well. A lot of amazing games on there and a great hardware revision (Xbox One S). Some of my favs of the generation were on Xbox first - Ori and the Blind Forest, Inside, Gears 4 etc. Great stuff.
Not very nice to bring that up again since it's untrue and also been dealt with millions of times over.
I don't remember Sony making such a big deal over the Pro's specs which in hindsight made sense since it is a member of the PS4 platform i.e. it's still a PS4. All this focus on supposedly barrier-breaking specs seems OTT if it turns out that Scorpio is just an upgraded Xbox One. I mean we're not gonna going to see games built from the ground up (taking advantage of Scorpio's architecture) are we?
Yeah but even if Scorpio wasn't around the corner, talking about the Pro's specs in a way that suggests it is ushering in a new generation wouldn't have made sense as the Pro is, despite its upgraded guts, still a PS4 that only plays PS4 games. Scorpio is supposed to be Microsoft's turbo Xbox One - it is still an Xbox One. It won't have exclusive software built from the ground up that really harnesses the power of the upgraded innards. Scorpio will at the end of the day still be a console that only plays Xbox One software. That's why I don't get the next-gen-esque barrier breaking talk about power.Why would Sony make a big deal out of Pro's h/w when Scorpio was around the corner? They knew to position it differently not about power but games. Which they are doing a great job.
Team who made Ori and Shadow of Mordor devs. Also, then taking into account people like Shinobi who are excited for it. People are obviously getting whifs of what this machine is and let's be blunt, people wouldn't have as much excitement if it was Jaguar.
What, because two people said something means that they're talking crap? Should have all developers made a union and released a PR statement?
I can't wait for when we do find out what it is.
Is it really worth boasting about what's under the hood if Scorpio will only play Xbox One software? Surely that limits what can be done with the hardware.
Yeah, 4K is no easy feat. Check things out on the PC side. They need a good CPU AND GPU to power games at 4K effectively. I believe it's in the tea leaves: It's all XBOX ONE from now on. XBOX ONE Scorpio. XBOX One Murcielago. XBOX ONE Moccasin. The platform grows.
It's not "just XBOX One games" as if that's some indictment of quality. These developers are very talented and will get the most out of these systems just as they do on PC today. Their engines, and let's face it many games use UE4, will have customizable presets for the different consoles.
Pretty much my thinking. The scorpio isn't next gen in the sense that MS is moving away from generations. The scorpio for all intents and purposes is or should be the xbox ones successor and the xbox one will eventually be phased out. From a strategy standpoint, how would that not be a boss move by MS? In my mind it makes absolutely no sense for MS to come out with the one s only to release a completely new console that isn't something more than a stop gap before the next xbox? That would be the dumbest strategy ever from a financial standpoint and also from a competitive standpoint with sony. I'll be ready to eat crow if wrong but that's the way I see it.Every developer who's had hands on with it says its a next-gen machine and not half-arsed.
Putting a outdated Jaguar in a console in 2017 isn't next-gen. It's going to be Zen.
Yeah but even if Scorpio wasn't around the corner, talking about the Pro's specs in a way that suggests it is ushering in a new generation wouldn't have made sense as the Pro is, despite its upgraded guts, still a PS4 that only plays PS4 games. Scorpio is supposed to be Microsoft's turbo Xbox One - it is still an Xbox One. It won't have exclusive software built from the ground up that really harnesses the power of the upgraded innards. Scorpio will at the end of the day still be a console that only plays Xbox One software. That's why I don't get the next-gen-esque barrier breaking talk about power.
Rösti;233221502 said:TL;DR
You don't even have the context for that ancient comment. Do you know where that comment originates from? I was being harassed constantly by "thelastword" (another poster around here) - every single thread he would show up and make baseless claims that we were all against Sony and couldn't be trusted. I was still green, though, and I let him get under my skin and, as a result, basically tried to spin things in the opposite direction without thinking about it. Didn't know how to deal with someone like that at the time. That's all.
These days, I love all platforms - I wouldn't own upwards of 400 games for Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One if I didn't. The original Xbox was amazing and Xbox 360 was the king of last generation. Take a look at the coverage I've done for all the big Microsoft games over the past couple years - I've been a huge champion of what they're doing.
However, early on in the days of Xbox One, I did wind up having a bone to pick with them based entirely on the attempts to eliminate game ownership. I'm a retro collector and that really really bugged me. I'm over it now but, at the time, I was not happy about that. I also didn't like the Kinect direction they were going. Basically, there WAS a period of 2 or 3 years where I wasn't fond of what Xbox was doing (but I've felt similarly about every company at some point in the past - could probably find all kinds of stuff in my 18 years of posting on GAF)).
Since Phil came in and shook things up I think Xbox has been doing quite well. A lot of amazing games on there and a great hardware revision (Xbox One S). Some of my favs of the generation were on Xbox first - Ori and the Blind Forest, Inside, Gears 4 etc. Great stuff.
Not very nice to bring that up again since it's untrue and also been dealt with millions of times over.
You don't even have the context for that ancient comment. Do you know where that comment originates from? I was being harassed constantly by "thelastword" (another poster around here) - every single thread he would show up and make baseless claims that we were all against Sony and couldn't be trusted. I was still green, though, and I let him get under my skin and, as a result, basically tried to spin things in the opposite direction without thinking about it. Didn't know how to deal with someone like that at the time. That's all.
These days, I love all platforms - I wouldn't own upwards of 400 games for Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One if I didn't. The original Xbox was amazing and Xbox 360 was the king of last generation. Take a look at the coverage I've done for all the big Microsoft games over the past couple years - I've been a huge champion of what they're doing.
However, early on in the days of Xbox One, I did wind up having a bone to pick with them based entirely on the attempts to eliminate game ownership. I'm a retro collector and that really really bugged me. I'm over it now but, at the time, I was not happy about that. I also didn't like the Kinect direction they were going. Basically, there WAS a period of 2 or 3 years where I wasn't fond of what Xbox was doing (but I've felt similarly about every company at some point in the past - could probably find all kinds of stuff in my 18 years of posting on GAF)).
Since Phil came in and shook things up I think Xbox has been doing quite well. A lot of amazing games on there and a great hardware revision (Xbox One S). Some of my favs of the generation were on Xbox first - Ori and the Blind Forest, Inside, Gears 4 etc. Great stuff.
Not very nice to bring that up again since it's untrue and also been dealt with millions of times over.
Rösti;233221502 said:I took the liberty of putting together some quick notes on the Xbox One Revealed event:
1. Video segment - Inspiration video
2. DON MATTRICK
Talks about history of Xbox
Talks about what's ahead
Introducing Xbox One
3. Video segment - Look at the console and some of its features
4. DON MATTRICK
Talks briefly about the core philosophy of the console. Then welcomes Yusuf Medhi to
show some experiences.
5. YUSUF MEHDI
Talks about a "a new generation of gaming like youve never seen before"
Demonstrates "Xbox, on." voice command
Demonstrates user interface (focus on multimedia (TV, music, Internet etc.))
Welcomes Marc Whitten to talk tech
6. MARC WHITTEN
Talks about a "future-proof system", the cloud, smart devices etc.
Talks system specifications, "5 billion transistors", "8 gigabytes of RAM" etc.
Talks system architecture (three operating systems in one)
Talks controller and Kinect
Talks Xbox Live
Welcomes Andrew Wilson from Electronic Arts
7. ANDREW WILSON
Talks partnership between EA and Microsoft
Announces FIFA, Madden NFL, NBA Live and UFC for Xbox One
Talks EA Sports Ignite (game engine)
8. Video segment - Athletes talk about the world of sports
9. ANDREW WILSON
Further talks EA Sports Ignite and how it will impact gameplay
10. Video segment - EA Sports Ignite features
11. PHIL SPENCER
Talks partnerships with premiere publishers, exclusive content
Talks new experiences made available by the new technology
Announces Forza Motorsport 5 on Xbox One
12. Video segment - Forza Motorsport 5 running on Xbox One
13. PHIL SPENCER
Announces Forza Motorsport 5 will be available at launch, more to show at E3
Talks about Remedy, announces Quantum Break
14. Video segment - Quantum Break trailer
15. PHIL SPENCER
Announces more than 15 exclusive games in the first year of Xbox One
Welcomes Nancy Tellem, head of Xbox Entertainment Studios to talk about their mission to transform television
16. NANCY TELLEM
Talks about her past at CBS and Warner Brothers
Talks about how Xbox One will personalize TV to your tastes
Talks original programming (Halo)
Welcomes Bonnie Ross
17. BONNIE ROSS
Talks about Halo as more than a game
Announces a live-action Halo television series in partnership with 343 Industires and Steven Spielberg
18. Video segment - Spielberg talks about film creation and Halo
19. NANCY TELLEM
Talks more TV, announces partnership with NFL
20. Video segment - NFL, Don Mattrick shares features
21. DON MATTRICK
Talks more NFL
Thanks us for joining the event
Announces that Xbox One will be launch around the world later this year
Talks E3
Welcomes Eric Hirshberg from Activision
22. ERIC HIRSHBERG
Talks Call of Duty (Ghosts)
23. Video segment - Ghosts
Says it'll be the "most beautiful Call of Duty game we have ever made"
Shows a comparison video between Ghosts and Modern Warfare 3
24. Video segment - Comparison video
Talks more about Ghosts, features etc.
25. Video segment - Call of Duty: Ghosts world premiere
END
You can read the transcript in full here: https://news.microsoft.com/2013/05/21/don-mattrick-xbox-one-launch-event/
The event was around an hour. Perhaps something similar to this is what to be expected next week?
Too bad for DF, Scorpio will have a negative impact on DF threads/exposure.
There is no event. The reveal will be indirect as far I understand it. They will talk about hardware and stuff on one more showcase games in form of interviews and articles and maybe supported by some videos. Thats it.
I see. Well, perhaps in terms of content the reveals can be similar, though I wouldn't expect any greater focus on features regarding TV.Cringe reveal, don't ever expect to see another event like that from MS again for whenever their next hardware dedicated xbox reveal event.
I doubt this is going to be a reveal event that's going to get streamed.
Yeah so Scorpio's usp is Xbox One software in 4K with faster frame rates and better textures - essentially prettier Xbox One games at a premium price. It's still just gonna play Xbox One games tho. When I look it like that it isn't quite so remarkable as Microsoft are hyping it up to be. Then again I'm not someone that deeply cares about native 4K. It'll be interesting to see how many people do. Imo Microsoft's biggest problem is their lack of investment in new and exciting exclusives. I don't see how having a native 4K Xbox One will remedy that.Because scorpio is pushing 4k natively. To get that they need to talk about specs. Also it's primed at the hardcore so hardcore will talk specs all day long. Spencer already said the S will be the main seller and Scorpio is 'premium'.
It's like a 911 and a GT3, GT3 crowd will always want specs, details details, blah blah. And GT3 will never sell like an 911.
We must wait with butts clenched!!
I am not a native speaker and I would really welcome an contextual explanation of the above.
Yeah so Scorpio's usp is Xbox One software in 4K with faster frame rates and better textures - essentially prettier Xbox One games at a premium price. It's still just gonna play Xbox One games tho. When I look it like that it isn't quite so remarkable as Microsoft are hyping it up to be. Then again I'm not someone that deeply cares about native 4K. It'll be interesting to see how many people do. Imo Microsoft's biggest problem is their lack of investment in new and exciting exclusives. I don't see how having a native 4K Xbox One will remedy that.
Yeah so Scorpio's usp is Xbox One software in 4K with faster frame rates and better textures - essentially prettier Xbox One games at a premium price. It's still just gonna play Xbox One games tho. When I look it like that it isn't quite so remarkable as Microsoft are hyping it up to be. Then again I'm not someone that deeply cares about native 4K. It'll be interesting to see how many people do. Imo Microsoft's biggest problem is their lack of investment in new and exciting exclusives. I don't see how having a native 4K Xbox One will remedy that.
I am not a native speaker and I would really welcome an contextual explanation of the above.
He's saying basically to wait with anxiety. I don't recommend it. It's not that serious.
Who builds triple A games to accommodate the specs of a £299 laptop?your Titan X SLI also plays only the same games your $299 Laptop does.
more excited about any games they'd use to show it off
Different CPUs can do a different amount of Instructions per Cycle.Pls could someone explain what the difference would be between a upclocked jaguar and new Ryzen cpu. Im no techie!
The opposite surely?
Most Xbox one owners after the first year sort of didn't bother going into those threads as they knew what the result was going to be. PS3 owners used to do the same with multiplat games up against the 360. After a while we know what the results are going to be.
Two of the most hilarious comparison threads of that gen were GTAIV's 640p PS3 revelation reveal and the original grassgate aka the RDR comparison thread.
Once the Scorpio releases those threads will see lots of people coming back to comparison threads.