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[Yaphett Kotto]

Tropical Freeze is better. And actually I'm just not a fan of Rayman, feels very boring. Ubisoft in general I just avoid.

That explains your feelings behind Rayman.

 

[MrBadger]

I can think of characters in Smash with less good games than Rayman. I see the argument that he's not really relevant to Nintendo history, but he still fits in with all the characters.

 

[Canon]

I can think of characters in Smash with less good games than Rayman.

Ice Climbers were removed, though.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I can think of characters in Smash with less good games than Rayman. I see the argument that he's not really relevant to Nintendo history, but he still fits in with all the characters.

There are characters in Smash that don't even have good games.

Ice Climbers were removed, though.

Sonic

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Ice Climbers were removed, though.

):

sigh

 

[SmithnCo]

Rayman's final smash will be a uPlay launcher screen coming up causing the game to crash

 

[Diprosalic]

i wonder if you can only buy mewtwo, that would be great.

 

[Nickle]

This is just one step closer to the final goal of Goku being announced for Smash.

 

[TheAutomator]

I can think of characters in Smash with less good games than Rayman. I see the argument that he's not really relevant to Nintendo history, but he still fits in with all the characters.

spoken like someone who hasn't played the Rayman games

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

Ice Climbers were removed, though.

Sonic is still in. :]

 

[superNESjoe]

I can think of characters in Smash with less good games than Rayman. I see the argument that he's not really relevant to Nintendo history, but he still fits in with all the characters.

This. Rayman isn't my top choice (he's not even on the list) and I don't think he deserves the spot, but he still fits. I think it's ridiculous to get another third party character that doesn't have a long, strong Nintendo history though. Where is that Belmont, man?

 

[Diprosalic]

There are characters in Smash that don't even have good games.



Sonic

characters?

Sonic and?

 

[MrBadger]

Ice Climbers were removed, though.

What about that furry character with like one or two decent games years ago then nothing but bad games since?

Spoiler

Fox

 

[Big One]

Not sure how anyone can hate Rayman. The mainline series are some of the best platformers in the genre. Raving Rabbids is whatever though.

He's fine. Guys like Simon Belmot and Snake appeal to more hardcore gamers anyway and I think Nintendo was trying to stick to mascot characters with it's third party additions.

 

[Kriken]

I can think of characters in Smash with less good games than Rayman. I see the argument that he's not really relevant to Nintendo history, but he still fits in with all the characters.

Pit

Spoiler

Fight me, he's had ONE good game

Not sure how anyone can hate Rayman. The mainline series are some of the best platformers in the genre. Raving Rabbids is whatever though.

I feel like the hate is more directed at Ubisoft and how they've been dealing with Nintendo of late

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Pikachu has had his face in some pretty shoddy games

 

[Foffy]

What about that furry character with like one or two decent games years ago then nothing but bad games since?

Spoiler

Fox

Hey, he has three if you consider Star Fox 2!

 

[A Link to the Past]

characters?

Sonic and?

R.O.B. and Ice Climbers.

(Ice Climbers weren't cut due to the quality of their games, so point still stands)

Pit

Spoiler

Fight me, he's had ONE good game

I feel like the hate is more directed at Ubisoft and how they've been dealing with Nintendo of late

And it wasn't the NES game.

 

[fhqwhgads]

This is just one step closer to the final goal of Goku being announced for Smash.

 

[Mory Dunz]

This is just one step closer to the final goal of Goku being announced for Smash.

Goku and Sora

 

[Canon]

Sonic is still in. :]

I liked Sonic Colors, at least.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

This is just one step closer to the final goal of Goku being announced for Smash.

You mean Shrek right? Goku is not even on the same level as the ogrelord.

 

[Nickle]

Why does the beam of light have a shadow? I question the legitimacy of that picture.

 

[MrBadger]

Pit

Spoiler

Fight me, he's had ONE good game

And that game's only good if you're right handed

I'm kidding, I love you really Uprising

 

[Diprosalic]

R.O.B. and Ice Climbers..

okay i guess, but ROB has history, ice climbers were rightfully cut.

 

[Ryce]

I can think of characters in Smash with less good games than Rayman. I see the argument that he's not really relevant to Nintendo history, but he still fits in with all the characters.

I feel like third-party characters should be held to a different standard, though. Pac-Man, Sonic, and Mega Man are indelible gaming icons, but Rayman is a few rungs below them. He just doesn't feel "special" enough to warrant being a guest character, but I'm probably in the minority in thinking that. It's also weird to think that Sakurai would want to include Rayman given how virtually unknown the series is in Japan -- seriously, look at how short the Rayman series Wikipedia article is.

 

[A Link to the Past]

okay i guess, but ROB has history, ice climbers were rightfully cut.

Ice Climbers were cut for technical reasons, not because they were in a bad game. Ice Climber was also an NES launch game and bundled with the NES in some regions.

Rayman also has a strong history with Nintendo.

I feel like third-party characters should be held to a different standard, though. Pac-Man, Sonic, and Mega Man are indelible gaming icons, but Rayman is a few rungs below them. He just doesn't feel "special" enough to warrant being a guest character, but I'm probably in the minority in thinking that. It's also weird to think that Sakurai would want to include Rayman given how virtually unknown the series is in Japan -- seriously, look at how short the Rayman series Wikipedia article is.

The issue is though that Sakurai has always expressed a desire to appeal to westerners more than he has in the past.

 

[ZeroX03]

This. Rayman isn't my top choice (he's not even on the list) and I don't think he deserves the spot, but he still fits. I think it's ridiculous to get another third party character that doesn't have a long, strong Nintendo history though. Where is that Belmont, man?

As pointed out, there's been a good 10+ Rayman games on Nintendo systems dating back over 15 years. And recent games have found the fanbase mostly on Nintendo systems.

 

[Canon]

I'd like a Bandai Namco Smash Bros. mode. Separate from the main game, just an option in the menu. Pac-Man, Klonoa, the crew from DragonBall and Naruto, and some other things. Why not if Rayman can get in, might as well.

 

[Diprosalic]

Ice Climbers were cut for technical reasons, not because they were in a bad game. Ice Climber was also an NES launch game and bundled with the NES in some regions.

both games/characters were somewhat important pieces in the history of nintendo, Rayman not so much.

 

[L Thammy]

 

[GiantBreadbug]

okay i guess, but ROB has history, ice climbers were rightfully cut.

no

noooooooo

 

[A Link to the Past]

both games/characters were somewhat important pieces in the history of nintendo, Rayman not so much.

Neither was Pac-Man in particular. None of his successes were relevant to Nintendo.

 

[Ryce]

The issue is though that Sakurai has always expressed a desire to appeal to westerners more than he has in the past.

Yeah, but Rayman isn't exactly a highly requested character.

 

[AnkiRendan]

Yeah, Snake should be back but I have a doubt that he would.

Anyway, if anyone want to jump on Smash DLC Hype then here are some avatars materials that people can use.

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Smash4-510801485

Man, if I could get an avatar with Toon Link and Lucina I'd be grateful. I can't do that sort of thing myself. These pictures are awesome.

 

[Diprosalic]

Neither was Pac-Man in particular. None of his successes were relevant to Nintendo.

PacMan is a favourite of Miyamoto and he personally made a game with him. that's not nothing.

 

[Labrynian Rebel]

And that game's only good if you're right handed

I'm kidding, I love you really Uprising

Just imagine a Kid Icarus for the Wii U...

 

[A Link to the Past]

PacMan is a favourite of Miyamoto and he personally made a game with him. that's not nothing.

And Ubisoft was a super close ally to Nintendo during the Wii and DS era, they were one of the only third-parties that didn't jump ship. Further, the addition of third-parties is generally done by other companies approaching Nintendo, which Ubisoft probably did.

 

[Diprosalic]

And Ubisoft was a super close ally to Nintendo during the Wii and DS era, they were one of the only third-parties that didn't jump ship. Further, the addition of third-parties is generally done by other companies approaching Nintendo, which Ubisoft probably did.

i take a Just Dance dancer then.

 

[SatoAilDarko]

As pointed out, there's been a good 10+ Rayman games on Nintendo systems dating back over 15 years. And recent games have found the fanbase mostly on Nintendo systems.

You could say similar about Splinter Cell. There have been several games for the Gamecube, DS, Wii, 3DS and Wii U. Do you think Sam Fisher should get in?

 

[superNESjoe]

Neither was Pac-Man in particular. None of his successes were relevant to Nintendo.

No, but Pac Man makes up for that by being a long running and very iconic gaming mascot.

 

[MrBadger]

I feel like third-party characters should be held to a different standard, though. Pac-Man, Sonic, and Mega Man are indelible gaming icons, but Rayman is a few rungs below them. He just doesn't feel "special" enough to warrant being a guest character, but I'm probably in the minority in thinking that. It's also weird to think that Sakurai would want to include Rayman given how virtually unknown the series is in Japan -- seriously, look at how short the Rayman series Wikipedia article is.

What other third party character would you say is more deserving than Rayman, though? I feel like Sonic is the only 3rd party character that's absolutely necessary because of his rivalry with Mario, and then you have Pac-Man who's just a huge gaming icon, and Mega Man, who was big on the NES. Who else is there? The only other person that immediately comes to mind is Simon and beyond him, it just seems like open season for platforming mascots.

Also I'd much rather have Dracula than Simon in Smash.

 

[SmithnCo]

i take a Just Dance dancer then.

Why not Aisha Tyler? With a #Girlwood final smash?

 

[ZeroX03]

You could say similar about Splinter Cell. There have been several games for the Gamecube, DS, Wii, 3DS and Wii U. Do you think Sam Fisher should get in?

The majority of the Splinter Cell fanbase isn't on Nintendo systems, nor is it a platformer or cartoon style series that permeates the majority of the Smash fanbase. It's a poor comparison.

 

[Big One]

You could say similar about Splinter Cell. There have been several games for the Gamecube, DS, Wii, 3DS and Wii U. Do you think Sam Fisher should get in?

Splinter Cell isn't really as popular as Rayman, nor does it target the audience Smash is going for which is for casual fanbases.

 

[Foffy]

Neither was Pac-Man in particular. None of his successes were relevant to Nintendo.

Both Pac-Man and Rayman do have some meaty connections to Nintendo. Both franchises have titles that were first party published games, though Pac-Man's gone deeper as Nintendo has actually made Pac-Man games, and then there's the constant crossovers with the Mario series.

Maybe Ubisoft's attitude to supporting Nintendo when most third party developers were bailing on them played a role. I mean, the Wii U is where Ubisoft followed suit, no? ):

 

[A Link to the Past]

No, but Pac Man makes up for that by being a long running and very iconic gaming mascot.

Rayman has been around for nearly 20 years, and tons of people know him. Where Pac-Man and Mega Man rely on being icons of yesteryear, Rayman is arguably at one of his most popular points.

 

[MrBadger]

Why not Aisha Tyler? With a #Girlwood final smash?

The time has come to bring back Mr Caffeine

 

[Zubz]

Man, if I could get an avatar with Toon Link and Lucina I'd be grateful. I can't do that sort of thing myself. These pictures are awesome.

Go to the link; the artist has individual images for each character.

 

[Arc07]

Yeah, Snake should be back but I have a doubt that he would.

Anyway, if anyone want to jump on Smash DLC Hype then here are some avatars materials that people can use.

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Smash4-510801485

Thanks chief.