??? why wouldn't MS be a great partner?
He would be mad at EA. Not MS.
He has no deal with MS. At all. Zero.
You are weird. Do you know how sad faces work
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Respawn: EA made Titanfall deal, only for one game, will work on PS4 later
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??? why wouldn't MS be a great partner?
He would be mad at EA. Not MS.
He has no deal with MS. At all. Zero.
You are weird. Do you know how sad faces work
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Not saying it won't do really well, but there's a lot of assumptions being made about Titanfall being a guaranteed "home run" title.
This is no reflection on its qualities, its just that the state of Xbone and what the competition (Acti-Bungie particularly) will be doing is an unknown quantity at this point. Its worth considering that the 360 version will almost certainly be the top-selling SKU also, and if the quality of that isn't up to Respawn's standards, it may taint the brand somewhat as it will be most folks first experience of it.
The reality is that its not beyond possibility that one of these high-profile shooters (including the present champs CoD and Battlefield) will underperform. Its a hyper-competitive genre and with these two new heavyweight contenders entering the scene who knows whats going to happen.
This is no reflection on its qualities, its just that the state of Xbone and what the competition (Acti-Bungie particularly) will be doing is an unknown quantity at this point. Its worth considering that the 360 version will almost certainly be the top-selling SKU also, and if the quality of that isn't up to Respawn's standards, it may taint the brand somewhat as it will be most folks first experience of it.
The reality is that its not beyond possibility that one of these high-profile shooters (including the present champs CoD and Battlefield) will underperform. Its a hyper-competitive genre and with these two new heavyweight contenders entering the scene who knows whats going to happen.
Glorified G
Member
Uh... if they weren't in the board room, and lose out on potential $, they will DEFINITELY go to court, and have a strong case.
Do people not know how to read? Is this some trolling or are "console-wars" getting to people's heads?
CBOAT said that he heard that Titanfall would be a timed exclusive. (1st deal)
Today(meaning now), EA/MS have said Titanfall is exclusive, period. While Respawn doesnt seem too happy. (new deal)
So the terms have changed, NOW. What was once true, is not anymore. (old deal thrown out for a new deal)
Got it. But isn't the basis of this argument, and to be more specific that Respawn wanted multiplatform only for the money just an assumption? And even if true, wouldn't the moneyhat be a pretty crappy consolation prize especially since we don't know how much of it Repawn gets, if any?
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
There certainly is a grey area involved. I can only speak in generalities because I don't know enough specifics. I expect the typical argument would be that money MS is putting towards respawn entertainment's exclusivity could have been used to make a whole new game. Not really enough information to verify or deny that statement though.
They can mean rainbows man, rainbows.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
TBF I don't quite see the danger of this scenario, quite frankly each gen appears to have significant less exclusives third party or otherwise (many games on the snes that shared the same name as their Sega equivalents weren't even the same game or made by the same developers), due to the rise in development costs devs are incentivised to go
multiplatform regardless of the benefits of a single platform.
I don't see how Microsoft money hatting on or two games will change this at all. As developments costs rise moneyhatting becomes less and less feasibly, which precisely why we see DLC exclusives because platform holders can't moneyhat the entire game. The only reason Microsoft can even do this with this game is because it's a launch game, and a new IP, both of which are massive gambles financially. Otherwise it'd be multiplat like almost all of EA's other games.
So really your "risks" are marginal at best as not even devs and publishers are inclined to go that route unless the titles is very risky in the first place.
MS fucked Lorelei, I'll never sleep again.
Pc it is, then.
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
They can easily get a sequel out in a year, especially if it stays multi-only. The engine and everything is done. They just need some new weapons/maps. They won't be starting from scratch. Far from it actually.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
So much for the EA Partners scheme...
Uno Venova
Banned
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I think going for solid exclusive games, which you know will run and look great on their platform is more important. Imagine if the Xbox One had a GPU equal to the PS4, but also didn't have the lineup of exclusive games that many who are excited about an Xbox One are so looking forward to?
A stronger GPU doesn't exactly make the Xbox One a better games console, as tempting as it may be to think it solves all problems. Microsoft may have had a set of strategies that involved television, Windows 8 cross compatibility, snap, Skype, Kinect etc, but they clearly also have a pretty serious games strategy also, and that games strategy so far is something I would take everytime over a better GPU.
Project Spark
Ryse
Quantum Break
Killer Instinct
Dead Rising 3
Forza Motorsport 5
Sunset Overdrive
Crimson Dragon
Swery's Kinect title D4
Halo - Well of course
Titanfall
Whatever their new studio Black Tusk is making.
And that's just for starters
People will look at comparisons for the rest of this generation. They will cheer, boo or hiss depending on what they see happening on either platform, but at the end of the day, no matter how many missteps or mistakes Microsoft has made, they are doing exactly what they should be doing for a videogames console. They are going out of their way to secure games, and not all of it is big moneyhats. What they are doing with project spark looks pretty revolutionary so far. The decisions have already been made. We can't change the GPU, but looking at games like Ryse, and at launch no less, do they really have to?
<_>
=( is anyones guess
bleachrude
Banned
Respawn has always said that they were happy with MS. Even before E3, Respawn was singing the praises about MS.
If this deal has been reached between Respawn and MS directly, would anyone actually be surprised given the previous statements from Respawn about its relationship with MS?
EatinOlives
Member
So because he's not going to twitter and saying "EA YOU BASTARDS! I'LL SEE YOU IN COURT!" then it means Respawn got a good deal that was all this time kept secret from them?
walltowall
Member
I dunno, Vince needs better lawyers maybe. You would think that after his tussle w/ Activision that all deals would be highly scrutinized. My gut tells me that some time ago they had an unproven product and great pedigree, they made a deal that worked at the time, public reaction to the game has been much better than they even dreamed and he's now sad that they are unable to exploit the game across all platforms.
As a person interested in this game I would also hate to see a "rushed" sequel just to exploit the IP on the PS4.
Hey, the sadface could be viewed as being sad for that dude who wanted to play it on the PS4.
I'm not even saying you're wrong, he might be very upset about not being on PS4. What I am saying is theres no way he got cut out of losing a huge chunk of money from a potential PS4 sku without being notified- or at the very least, if he did, we'll know very soon because he will be in court soon.
I don't doubt your credentials but newsflash EA made a exclusive publishing deal MS paid for EA to not publish a PS4 version it in no way impedes Respawn's ability to develop one thus they have no claim to any monies that EA received.
What does that have to do with right now?
i'd be surprised because they kept hinting at PS4 but i wouldn't be shocked
but that didn't happen so
But you can't prove or demonstrate this at all and all we know is that EA already owned publishing rights to the game so I don't see why they would give him any more money unless there was a trigger clause in there for this purpose.
That's totally dependant on the money they make off Titanfall. If it does well I'll expect similar deals in the future.
So MS alienates Bungie, Epic Games, now Respawn (well, indirectlty through the publisher level).
I'm cool with MS having a big exclusive FPS, it's a staple that's expected for the platform, but they need to go about it in a better way. Like do something that makes Respawn WANT to put Titanfall 2 on it as well.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
This makes sense. The exclusivity period for the first game would probably not end until 2015 anyways. By that time Respawn will be nearly a year into their next game, and thus making the first Titanfall for PS4 would only get in the way. Sucks for PS4 owners, but there is always PC and 360 for those that don't want to drop $500 just for this game.
It's Mass Effect all over again.
It's Mass Effect all over again.
Well Respawn did say MS had been a great partner. So..
Do you mean would we be surprised if a deal could be done in the future? Depends on the install bases of the consoles.
If you mean would we be surprised if this current deal is between MS and Respawn, then yes, considering Respawn has already said EA did the deal, and Respawn apparently only recently found out about it.
So Zampella is in a way mirroring the feelings of the random PS4 user through his tweets?
The way I see it:
EA signed a contract to be Respawn's publishing partner. EA then only makes discs for consoles that they want to. They aren't "stopping" Respawn from making a Ps4 version, they just won't send it to retail, and the Respawn/EA deal prevents Respawn from shopping it to a different publisher until their contract with EA is terminated, since they DO own the IP and the code for the first game.
Still shitty.
If respawn challenges that EA got an "incentive" from Microsoft and didn't cut them in on it, EA can just say it was an unrelated deal and they just chose to not proceed with a Ps4 SKU.
EA signed a contract to be Respawn's publishing partner. EA then only makes discs for consoles that they want to. They aren't "stopping" Respawn from making a Ps4 version, they just won't send it to retail, and the Respawn/EA deal prevents Respawn from shopping it to a different publisher until their contract with EA is terminated, since they DO own the IP and the code for the first game.
Still shitty.
If respawn challenges that EA got an "incentive" from Microsoft and didn't cut them in on it, EA can just say it was an unrelated deal and they just chose to not proceed with a Ps4 SKU.
Nightengale
Member
The Japanese approach of 'release an updated version of the game next year with extra map packs'? That depends how the contracts are written, I guess.
Besides, Respawn is still a small team. Unless they hire an extra 20 people to be dedicated map makers while the remainder work on sequel, they wouldn't be able to have the resources to make 'Titanfall : Sigma.'
After this news reveal, I don't think we'll get a PS4 port of the original Titanfall anytime soon, since any rerelease of this game on PS4 deems it being major enough to be considered a different game from its current iteration.
Sword Of Doom
Member
They always said they wanted the game on as many platforms as possible. Doesn't mean they weren't happy with MS.
Every entertainment industry in existence is stacked in favor of the pimps, especially for big budget blockbusters. He could have gone the kickstarter route if he wanted complete control of his intellectual property, or signed onto a lesser Publisher that isn't so hands on, but he's coming off of COD: Modern Warfare 1 & 2, and it's clear that Respawn/IW wanted to stay within that realm of development and continue to play with the big boys. That comes with a price if you can't afford to foot the bill yourself.
MikeE21286
Member
Wonder if Titanfall will be annualized like COD
That'd be a one year exclusive de facto then
That'd be a one year exclusive de facto then
Except for the guy asked about a PS4 game after that tweet.
Recently is relative. EA also probably didn't want to announce total exclusivity in a Financial earnings report/conference call. They probably were waiting to do this big PR push, and now that won't happen, at least specifically with this.
BasketCasket
Member
It rarely works that way.
Developers are typically paid for each milestone delivery. Whether a game is successful or not... doesn't impact that. It only will, in the sense that it will affect if your studio gets a subsequent game from that publisher (their choice).
Here's an example:
I worked on a game; which ended up getting cancelled during our last milestone (right before the set release). We had our last milestone delivery paid off (our contract stated that if the project is cancelled; we should be paid for the milestone it happens). We ended up making just as much money without release; as we would have if the game actually shipped.
As a publisher; you're putting your money on the line and contracting a studio to deliver a product. The publisher then profits from their investment; while the development studio gets paid for their work noted in their contract.
When Respawn settled on a contract for this project; it would have detailed milestone expectations and platform targets. If we even go so far as to assume the PS4 was originally in the cards; the only thing this changes, is one less platform to deliver.
Similarly; when I was working on the Publisher end. We had a project that was not localized and destined for North America only. After completion; we went on to localize it (not even with the original developer) and distributed it to the rest of the world. It ended up being a hit in Europe and our profits exploded. The developer didn't see an extra dime.
It's not all perks for the publisher. Imagine if the game tanks. The developer is safely paid for their work; with the publisher taking the hit for the failure in sale expectations. It's their monetary risk; as such, it's their reward.
Source:
I've worked over a decade between publishing and developing.
Nightengale
Member
Were they going to say otherwise? :haha:
if EA made a deal with MS for more money and Respawn didn't get any, Respawn could sue for for a cut or even void the contract. Respawn might have been working under the assumption that the game would eventually become full multiplat and expecting royalties from the other platforms such as ps3 and 4. if they didn't receive any money from the full exclusivity deal then they can argue that they lost money because of the deal made by EA and that EA profited from their loss in future royalties.
Yea I mentioned a 3 year cycle earlier with Battlefield, Titanfall, and Battlefront since thats what was alluded to recently. But with Titanfall releasing next spring, I can't see them go through next holiday season without another title in this cluster of games.
Iced_Eagle
Member
Unknown.
All Respawn has said is that the game above all else they are targeting 60fps because they want smooth gameplay.
After playing it at PAX, I don't disagree. Game was smooth and silky like some Egyptian cotton sheets.
MikeE21286
Member
It really does make sense to snap up big exclusives early on in the gen.
Worked for MS with Bioshock, Gears and Mass Effect
Worked for MS with Bioshock, Gears and Mass Effect
I haven't read any of that because I haven't followed Respawn, but you'd think a good partner would make Vince feel good about whatever EA decided with MS.
This guy left EA to go to Acti to get treated like garbage while making the biggest series last gen just to go back to EA and get "screwed over" again? Either this guy is ultra naive or he knows exactly what's going on and just wants to get paid. I'm assuming its to get paid because if someone went through what he did with Acti and get involved with a multimillion dollar lawsuit, I'd think they'd watch what they sign a bit more closely.
Oh well. It will be a shame to see what becomes of this title with not just EA, but MS looking over their shoulder as well lol.
Oh well. It will be a shame to see what becomes of this title with not just EA, but MS looking over their shoulder as well lol.
Great post! This is market distortion and the logical extension is monopoly. I don't know if MS will risk going full bore because they have been under scrutiny for monopolistic predation before, but yeah, fuck moneyhats.