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Rumor: Grand Theft Auto V will use additional DRM on PC (Steam + Denuvo)
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Sentenza
Member
I know I'm not a sample of the average consumer, but I can't help but notice the irony of how their attempt to "protect their product" turned my stance from
"I'm going to buy this shit as soon as it's available on PC"
to
"Man, I'm really conflicted about this. I'll take my time to think if I really want to buy this game".
"I'm going to buy this shit as soon as it's available on PC"
to
"Man, I'm really conflicted about this. I'll take my time to think if I really want to buy this game".
I'll give Bamco and Deck13 the benefit of the doubt and assume this is a case of garden variety bugs and performance problems that people incorrectly blamed on DRM because of an oddly named task.
That said, I still think people are right to worry. We're just now seeing a strong trend toward reasonable DRM methods and the abandonment of bad ones, so it's understandable that folks are skittish about this.
Hmm:
-made by the SecuRom guys
-still has actual SecuRom code
-both Lords of the Fallen and Fifa 15 have reported performance issues.
Yeah, I will assume the absolute fucking worst until proof of contrary comes.
kikonawa
Member
ShockingAlberto
Member
Because FIFA's more popular so EA probably cares more about people pirating it.
Banana Aeon
Member
Steam sale time.
Fuck off Rockstar. I am a paying customer. I should have my fucking experience hampered with, because off people who weren't going to buy the damn game in the first place.
Fuck off Rockstar. I am a paying customer. I should have my fucking experience hampered with, because off people who weren't going to buy the damn game in the first place.
Indeed, if this shit seriously hinders modding and eats performance, i know i'll be considering it on very strong sale.
And i'm pretty rabid about GTAV.
Doesn't help them that the very next month i'll be playing Bloodborne AND Witcher 3.
Sentenza
Member
Well, except when they want to play online.
No way! SecuRom broke my installation of Windows a fair few times, still want to install GT Legends but scared of SecuRom.
god dammit i despise you for pointing this out
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Sorry, I did a search for the owner's name but nothing came up. I thought it was relevant to point out the link between the two companies rather than what people have said that it's "just like SecuROM".
renegade_dewitt
Member
Going to hold judgement until early adopters sort this shit out.
wanderingprostheyltite
Member
Well this solidifies R* gives fuck all about PC. I'm expecting horrendous performance, will be stunned if it actually runs and is optimized well.
*sigh*
I'm still going to try to get this, but if my budget forces me to choose between this and Witcher 3, it won't be a hard decision to make. When I finally decide to pre-order these games, I'm definitely setting the money aside for Witcher 3 first.
So people actually do this? I was wondering about it. If you're just talking about cracked exes I used to do it just to avoid the disc check on some games. I have no idea if people actually do it to avoid today's bullshit DRM though.
I'm still going to try to get this, but if my budget forces me to choose between this and Witcher 3, it won't be a hard decision to make. When I finally decide to pre-order these games, I'm definitely setting the money aside for Witcher 3 first.
So people actually do this? I was wondering about it. If you're just talking about cracked exes I used to do it just to avoid the disc check on some games. I have no idea if people actually do it to avoid today's bullshit DRM though.
Moral Panic
Member
Lords of the Fallen runs better on PC than PS4. Take that however you want.
Steamworks was more obtrusive to my playing the game than Denuvo. I bought the game on Amazon and it came on the day of release but Steam wouldn't even let me install it because it wasn't 5pm yet. So if anything maybe we should get rid of that?
Note: Steamworks is not Steam, DRM free games can be sold on Steam
uncredited male
Member
I outlived StarForce and I will survive this. At least until all games are being streamed to us via some server.
d00d3n
Member
Of course. Imagine a customer who has bought these versions of GTAV:
PS3 digital (broken release) -> PS3 disc -> PS4 (better graphics) -> PC (better graphics)
Is it really fair that this customer gets to continue to play the PC version forever? I don't know about you, but this sounds an awful lot like slavery to me. How are the families of the people working at Rockstar supposed to survive? It is just immoral that the software continues to work forever without any additional payment.
Oh, f that noise. Rootkits R Us.
-Delayed PC version of GTA V - Makes sense if they want to maximise revenue and prevent it eating into sales of the console versions.
-Purposely breaking mods for their games(happened with GTA IV/Saint Andreas) - Purposely?? When and what mods?
-Shitloads of DRM (Securom+Social Club+GFWL on GTA IV. ALL OF THEM. AT THE SAME TIME) - definitely stupid, no argument there
-They added a warning on GTA IV store page basically saying that thay aren't patching GFWL out. - Where is this, it's not there
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
People complained about Sim City because it added an always online check to what should have been a singleplayer offline game. If it had literally had a "Go online" button that then activated a check nobody would have cared.
WoW, SC2, CS:GO all have 'always online DRM checks' that nobody complains about.
People complain about things that put them out.
A full retail product that has an online component where that online is authenticated and prevents pirate copies from playing is not only perfectly acceptable, its expected.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
It's GTA5. You're gonna have to have some godly willpower to wait a year to get it for 10 bucks or something, assuming you haven't played it on consoles yet. I don't even care, I'm getting it. The "principle" doesn't matter to me; it's GTA5. #partoftheproblem
Or you could use common sense.
People don't complain about WoW or KOTOR being online only because they're MMOs and social games by nature. No one wants to play by themselves in an empty offline world.
LoL, DOTA2, Hearthstone, and TF2 are competitive multiplayer games. No one wants to play by themselves offline in an empty game with bots.
People don't complain about the always online requirement for those games because without online and other humans they're absolutely pointless to play. It's pointless to compare those to GTAV or other games with huge singleplayer components. Take Sim City for example, people complained the shit out of that game's always online requirement because it added absolutely nothing to the game, which was always an offline, single player experience.
I pointed it out on page 2, so yeah. No beef, just saying. Straight from the company's website.
ea is the company that said dragon age 2 wasn't using securom everytime they were asked before the game came out and then they clarified and said it was using a release control program made by the same team that made securom
flash forward 3 years and now companies are using a drm method made yet again by some of the staff from that same company
I did for Witcher 2 until CDProjekt patched the DRM out of all copies, later they allowed you to register the game on GoG itself. Such nice guys.
It really is silly to equate numbers of pirated copies with numbers of lost sales.
Rockstar shouldn't care if you buy it on PC instead of console. It's still a sale for them.
I can tell you this has happened on multiple occasions. Rockstar deliberately introduced patches to GTA IV to disable the graphics mods.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
So you're either pretending there's no singleplayer component to WoW or KOTOR, or you've never played them.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Gotcha, thanks just saw the post. I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware, because that's shady as fuck.
Moral Panic
Member
100% unobtrusive.
Sentenza
Member
I like GTA. I don't like it THAT much.
But that's not even the point.
The point isn't if I'm going to buy it or not in the end. The point is that they just made the product LESS appealing to me as a paying customer.
CambriaRising
Member
Why do you keep saying this when it hasn't been proven either way?
It has to be for GTA V, since Rockstar has no other PC releases coming anytime soon (wtb red dead) let alone have they announced any other games in development.
Sentenza
Member
"Rootkits" DRMs are never unobtrusive. In fact they are typically the worst case of "intrusive".
Maybe not in the sense that you can obviously notice their presence when unaware of them, but they have the bad tendency to mess with your OS.
Moral Panic
Member
Sorry, what I meant was when you are playing the game you will never notice the DRM exists. It doesn't get in your way or make you jump through any extra hoops. What it is doing in the background of course, I don't know.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Don't forget Rockstar Social Club Login (which was 100% required for Max Payne 3, and has limited activations as far as I know).
So it will be Steam + Denuvo + Rockstar Social Club.
So it will be Steam + Denuvo + Rockstar Social Club.
Shadow of Mordor doesn't have it, though, does it?
Banana Aeon
Member
I seriously can't believe on how much this destroyed my hype for the game.
Fucking DRM.
Fucking DRM.