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Rumor: Grand Theft Auto V will use additional DRM on PC (Steam + Denuvo)
- Thread starter crimsonheadGCN
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Regardless when it was added, why else would Rockstar partner with them?
I'm claiming the primary focus in every single one of those games including the MMOs is on online interaction with other human beings. If you think otherwise then I have nothing left to say as this argument will go nowhere.
I might be misunderstanding you.
But it looks like I'm seeing a guy with a Witcher pic who is also a DRM fan. Oh the the irony.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
I've been hugely misled about the importance of GTA: Online as part of the GTAV package then.
d00d3n
Member
I don't think so, the game appears to be cracked.
serenewarfare
Banned
No offense to FIFA or LotF, but GTA V is an infinitely bigger release on PC than either of those games. The motivation to crack it will be much higher than it is for the other two games using this DRM. I say it takes 3 weeks tops to get a working crack. No DRM is uncrackable and this one won't be either. So in the end the only ones who will get screwed are the paying customers.
AcceptableGhost
Member
This is pretty nuts though, the fact that companies using a SecuROM equivalent feels like I have gone back in time. I thought we were past this.
Banana Aeon
Member
But of course, no developer can understand that.
Moral Panic
Member
I think the thought behind it is good and commendable as no one wants to buy a product that is annoying, has unnecessary poor performance or makes them jump through hoops, but the scaremongering and jumping to worst possible conclusions is disappointing. I've played 1 game with this DRM and my opinion is that it seems to be pretty good.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Sales price it is. Have so many other games to play anyway.
Confidence Man
Member
Gross. Mods are the only reason I'd even be interested in buying this again.
CambriaRising
Member
Unfortunately we have been conditioned for it due to these things having a history of completely sucking for paying consumers.
ambar_hitman
Member
Steam sale it is.
jellies_two
Member
Yes.
I've no idea how honest gamers can be outraged by this move until they can show this particular system, in this particular title, is actually buggy.
There is also a middle group who appear to be upset at the mere idea that this kind of copy protection is allowed to exist. Like, "if we don't fight this with outrage, tomorrow our PCs settings will be locked by remote control". WTF. If you don't like it, vote with your wallet, join the 1% who don't buy the game because of it.
But here is the news: Rockstar are going to make a ton more money by not rolling over for day 1 pirating, and they are also going to be rewarded financially by releasing on consoles first, PC second. They are just playing the cards they are dealt. Also this idea that steam killed piracy might now be seen for what it is: BS.
Steam sales make it pointless to pirate old games, but big new releases are as vulnerable as they ever were. Try fixing that before asking for console release parity.
Curbing piracy doesn't mean more sales.
Haven't had any issue on PC version of Fifa 15. Actually I would not be aware of the fact that Fifa adds an additional DRM pass this year if not reading OP. I'd say of course I welcome DRM free games, but I don't really care about the DRM method used in games as long as the added protection does not compromise the in-game experience.
Krappadizzle
Member
Does this DRM prevent mods?
test_account
XP-39C²
Hard to know i would guess. Fifa 15 and Lords Of The Fallen still hasnt been cracked from what i know.
That would remove the whole purpose of DRM in the first place though. It is there to stop people from copying/cracking the game.
Especially with it being developed by a company that has management from the company responsible for SecuROM.
- I don't give a crap about that. Other devs manage to release PC ports day and date with console and seems they didn't bankrupt yet. Also, it's not like Rockstar is drowning in money already or anything...(oh wait, they are)
- Yes, purposely. They broke graphics mods of GTA IV countless times with their updates and they recently broke the multiplayer mod of San Andreas
-Indeed the warning doesn't seem to be there anymore. So either they changed their mind or they just removed the warning for the time-being because of GFWL closing date being post-poned. I'm heavily inclined to say that it's the latter.
It's not intrusive, but people think it causes performance issues. Though the PC version running better than the PS4 version doesn't really support that.
FleetingFlowAir
Member
Mods are part of the reason why I want to double dip and get the PC version. If DRM interferes in any way, I'll be waiting for sales.
RadioJoNES64
Banned
Has Denuvo caused problems for people prohibiting them from playing the game? If not, I don't understand the issue. Online piracy is rampant and companies obviously want people to buy their games. But if this DRM causes issues for people who actual buy the game, that's just a really bad scenario.
poopninjamvc3mk
I sucked six dicks to get this tag.
LOTF used it? That game seemed to be cracked day 1 though
The Janitor
Member
Because I've had plenty of bad experiences with DRM, two of which were Rockstar games.
test_account
XP-39C²
I guess its impossible to measure that one way or the other. If no piracy option is available, people are at least "forced" to buy it if they want to play it.
PC dependent?
U wot m8?
I believe Rockstar already killed SA:MP and ENB in IV.
Every time I've used DRM-laden products I've always had a bad experience, as long as I can click "Play" and have the game load up and run without any performance issues I'll be happy.
Different hardware/different port
CambriaRising
Member
Why would you have to pay to remove this crap when you already fucking paid?
Don't give them ideas, this is some EA shit right here.
But wait, if the PC version is hypothetically uncrackable (lol) then what incentive is there financially to release later? If anything wouldn't it have been smart to launch it a year ago before the compromised PS3/360 releases hit and were pirated?
I was always under the impression that piracy was the unspoken excuse for delayed launches on PC. But that excuse kinda goes away if we believe they have some super-duper-uncrackable DRM solution.
Fuck. I've been watching Arma 3 Life mods on twitch, and there's a lot of lols to be had with voip city roleplay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S09FwRUfShY
GTAV Life would be so good.
test_account
XP-39C²
It would never happen even anyway. If you can pay to remove the DRM, its kinda pointless to have it there in the first place. Then one guy can just pay to remove the DRM, make a copy and spread it as piracy.
As far as breaking mods goes, that is insane. It seems obvious to me and likely everyone else, that those mods where greatly loved and increased peoples interest in the games. The only reason I can think for them breaking them is some sort of fear of the community producing better content or something, or perhaps that those were what was causing piracy, which likely can't be proven anyway
I'm looking for any kind of definitive link between Denuvo and bad performance in Lords of the Fallen. It's a very tentative series of connections that leads back to a single Russian piracy site, and not everyone agrees with their conclusions.
While I'm still wary of an extra layer of DRM, it might be best to save at least some of our anger until we have a clearer view of the situation since it's possible that we're looking at other issues being incorrectly attributed to Denuvo.
"NEW DRM WILL CRIPPLE PERFORMANCE OF MAJOR PC RELEASE!" makes a really good headline, even if it's based on weak speculation, so there may be some reason to be skeptical of how the story is being framed as well.
While I'm still wary of an extra layer of DRM, it might be best to save at least some of our anger until we have a clearer view of the situation since it's possible that we're looking at other issues being incorrectly attributed to Denuvo.
"NEW DRM WILL CRIPPLE PERFORMANCE OF MAJOR PC RELEASE!" makes a really good headline, even if it's based on weak speculation, so there may be some reason to be skeptical of how the story is being framed as well.
Sentenza
Member
But that's exactly who's going to be affected by this. Paying customers.
Nope. Fucker flies on my 486 (66mhz biatch!) Win95 rig. By comparison its a dog on PS4. This DRM really is a miracle- all hail R*