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Russia signs $400 billion dollar Gas deal with China

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Why isn't anyone talking of this, its easily the biggest business deal signed so far this century.
BEIJING — China signed a long-awaited deal for Russian natural gas Wednesday, giving China a new energy source and Russia a diplomatic boost in the face of sanctions and condemnation for its aggressive actions in Ukraine.

Announced after meetings between Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin at an Asia security conference, the 30-year deal is worth an estimated $400 billion, according to comments in Russian media by Gazprom chief executive Alexei Miller.
On a symbolic level, the deal also provided China and Russia a chance to reaffirm their strategic alliance against the United States, their shared global rival.


U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew appealed to China to avoid action that might hurt recent Western sanctions against Russia. But China’s booming economy has brought with it a ravenously growing need for energy, especially clean alternatives given its current pollution struggles and reliance on coal.

The agreement allows Russia to diversify its gas exports just as Europe is trying to reduce its consumption of Russian gas in response to the country’s role in the Ukrainian crisis.

“This is Gazprom’s biggest contract. We don’t have a contract like this with any other company,” Miller said at the meeting in Shanghai, according to Russia’s Interfax news agency.

In the stroke of a pen, the agreement significantly shifted in Russia’s economic relations with its neighbors, creating a new major export market to the east and reducing reliance on European partners at a time when relations are close to an all-time low. Putin called it a “watershed event.”

He said that the implementation of the deal would start “tomorrow.”

The final price for gas negotiated in the deal was not announced, and it was unclear, given the vague nature of the announcement, whether there were other aspects to the accord that remain to be worked out.

Analysts at IHS Energy — who have tracked the progress of the deal, almost 10 years in the making — said in a written analysis that they believe the final agreed price was “closer to what Russia wanted than what China was initially prepared to pay.”

The long-anticipated agreement met with approval and pride from many Russians, in an atmosphere of rising nationalism and anti-Western rhetoric over the crisis in Ukraine.

One caller to the Ekho Moskvy radio station declared the gas deal “another victory for Putin because he managed to sell gas for European prices,” while another listener suggested the new level in Russian-Chinese cooperation must be a “nightmare for America.”

Putin told journalists in Shanghai on Wednesday that the price of the deal was “pegged to the price of oil and petroleum products,” the Interfax news agency reported.

“This is the largest contract in the history of the gas industry of the former USSR and the Russian Federation,” he told reporters in Shanghai. The infrastructure costs to develop the natural gas fields needed to supply China will top those of putting on the Sochi Olympics – itself an epochal event in Russian state spending.

That the price of the natural gas will be tied to oil prices is also a win for Russia, analysts said, since oil prices are expected to remain high and European customers have been fighting for several years to allow natural gas prices to float freely based on market demands. Gazprom charged European customers on average about $380 per 1,000 cubic meters in 2013.

But the actual price tag on the 30-year contract remained a mystery hours after the signing on Wednesday, raising suspicion for some of the Kremlin’s skeptics that it had dropped the price significantly for China in a desperate maneuver to shore up a steady cash flow for Russian energy giant Gazprom, amid sinking revenue and Western sanctions.

Miller, the Gazprom CEO, had earlier called the price a “commercial secret.” And Putin, without naming an amount, told journalists in Shanghai on Wednesday that the price was “pegged to the price of oil and petroleum products,” the Interfax news agency reported.

Mikhail Krutikhin, an energy and oil analyst at Rusenergy, a Moscow think tank, said the reason for the secrecy was obvious: “There’s something fishy in the contract,” he said, suggesting that Russia got a bad bargain.

Unnamed individuals quoted in Russian media approximated the price at $350 per 1,000 cubic meters of gas, based on earlier projections of a long-term price tag of $400 billion.

But if the actual sale was much less than that, the deal is not as profitable as the Kremlin is making it out to be, Krutikhin said. Gazprom is already losing out to American and European competition; Europe’s gas demands have been stagnant; and the threat of mounting Western sanctions over Ukraine are “making Mr. Putin jittery,” he added.

Russian officials on Wednesday also hinted at a possible “prepayment” totaling $25 billion, raising further questions of whether a prepayment would amount to emergency assistance.

The construction of the pipelines and other infrastructure alone are expected to top $70 billion, Krutikhin said — an amount that a beleaguered Gazprom can’t afford on its own. Russia expects China to pick up part of the bill.

Sauce: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...4e9e74-e0de-11e3-8dcc-d6b7fede081a_story.html
 

braves01

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If it helps China move further away from coal, that's great. It's unfortunate it will help strengthen two repressive expansionist regimes however.
 

Yamauchi

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You can't starve an energy superpower. Both South Korea and Japan want Russia's natural gas as well. And then there's oil and the Bazhenov Formation, which has to scare Western European leaders...

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East Lake

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What the deal doesn't signify -- not yet, at least -- is a global realignment that puts the U.S. and Europe at a grave disadvantage. The tortuous history of Russia-China relations shows that their long-term interests are not complementary. Putin won't want Russia to depend on China any more than he wants it to depend on Europe. Anyway, the gas exports in the new pact, once onstream in 2018, will be about a quarter of what Russia sells to Europe. Even if the deal is enlarged later, the idea that Russia can now get along fine without the European market is nonsense.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-05-21/in-the-russia-china-gas-deal-did-putin-win
 

antonz

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The deal looks huge on paper but it is not going to be nearly as big as it sounds long-term.

Putin fucked up hitting Crimea before the deal. It gave China a ton of leverage to the point Russia will barely make any money on the actual deal because China is getting the Gas so much cheaper than they could sell it elsewhere.
China has been playing he game expertly. Before Crimean incident. China gave a cost of 1.5 billion to build a bridge to Crimea from Russia for a joint plan between Ukraine/Russia.

After Russia took Crimea China raised the cost to build to over 5 billion dollars. China has Russia by the balls and unlike Ukraine which Russia can bully they have no chance of trying to pull that bullshit with China
 
No doubt Russia is going to get very rich in the mid to long term future, with all this big economies wanting it's energy it's not so bad to be called a "gas station masquerading as a country".
 

Pedrito

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It's not nearly as impressive when you consider that it's a 30-year deal. That's 13.3 billion a year. A whopping 0.66 % of Russia's GDP.
 

East Lake

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No doubt Russia is going to get very rich in the mid to long term future, with all this big economies wanting it's energy it's not so bad to be called a "gas station masquerading as a country".
It's pretty bad actually. Russia should be very rich now, but it isn't and will continue to underperform until Putin and his gang of parasites are gone.
 

kess

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No doubt Russia is going to get very rich in the mid to long term future, with all this big economies wanting it's energy it's not so bad to be called a "gas station masquerading as a country".

That's not a particularly great thing in an economy that isn't very diversified. Natural resources will only take you so far, especially when said resources are under the control of an oligarch or government agency.
 

Piecake

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It's pretty bad actually. Russia should be very rich now, but it isn't and will continue to underperform until Putin and his gang of parasites are gone.

Russia has a lot more work to do than just kicking out Putin and the oligarchs since they were corrupt as hell and oligarchical before Putin. What Russia needs is massive structural reform.

The less coal and more natural gas that China uses the better, so I am perfectly fine with this deal. Its simply not practical to ship Gas from America to China, so this was about China's only option if they wanted gas. China really doesnt have the water to frak gas for itself.
 

SRG01

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People are also forgetting that no direct pipeline currently exists between Russia and China. That will take time to build and someone will have to foot the cost.

Chances are that Gazprom will pick up the majority of the tab.
 
It's pretty bad actually. Russia should be very rich now, but it isn't and will continue to underperform until Putin and his gang of parasites are gone.

"Putin and his gang of parasites" took Russia from a 380 billion dollar economy to a 2.55 trillion dollar economy in just 13 years, and while the economy has slowed almost to a complete halt there is no reason why it shouldn't rise again in the mid-long term.
 
The interesting thing is that the Chinese pretty much forced Russia to accept a lower than expected deal.

China Has Russia Over The Barrel

Chinese officials are notoriously tough negotiators, especially when they know you're in a pinch. Just ask Gazprom, Russia's natural gas giant, which is on the brink of capitulating to Beijing on a massive energy project, 10 years in the offing. Gazprom and China National Petroleum Corp., one of China's oil giants, are gearing up to sign a 30-year multibillion-dollar deal to send natural gas from Russia to China through a colossal new pipeline network.

A week before Russian President Vladimir Putin was set to meet his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, in Shanghai on May 20-21, Russia's deputy energy minister described the deal as "98 percent ready." However, a Chinese deputy foreign minister was far cagier, noting in mid-May: "We are still exchanging views with Moscow, and we will try our best to ensure that this contract can be signed and witnessed by the two presidents."

On the surface, this seems the kind of win-win outcome that Chinese diplomats regularly tout as the solution to nearly every international problem. Russia sits on the world's largest natural gas reserves, much of it buried in the Siberian hinterland north of its border with China. As the world's largest energy consumer, China is an obvious partner for Russia's economy, in which natural resources make up 70 percent of exports and over 50 percent of government revenue.

But energy trade between Russia and China is surprisingly limited, with only 9 percent of China's oil imports and 1 percent of its gas imports coming from Russia.China is eager to increase and diversify its energy supplies away from overreliance on expensive and volatile sources in Africa and the Middle East that have to pass through precarious sea lanes in the Strait of Hormuz and the South and East China seas. (Beijing really does worry about all the talk among U.S. strategists on how to blockade China's energy supplies in the event of armed conflict.)

Yet China has been unwilling to pay the premium prices that Russia has traditionally charged in Europe. Now, with Russia's worsening economy and an increasingly competitive Asian energy market, Beijing holds most of the cards -- and time is not on Moscow's side.

Gazprom has little choice but to make what Chinese industry experts arecalling a "big concession" on price.
Gazprom has little choice but to make what Chinese industry experts are calling a "big concession" on price.Although outlines of the deal are sketchy and may remain secret even after it is signed, China willreportedly help finance the related infrastructure, which could cost as much as $80 billion. This is reportedly in exchange for a price of $10-11 per cubic foot of gas: a rate below what Gazprom has long considered its break-even point of at least $12 per cubic foot. So it's still a win-win -- but a much bigger win for Beijing.


Why is Russia more eager to close a deal than China? It's tempting to credit the Ukrainian crisis and the subsequent warming of geopolitical ties between Beijing and Moscow. After all, isn't this all about Russia finally breaking with Europe and pursuing its fortunes in the East?

Hardly. The real precipitating factor is Russia's economic free-fall, whose roots run far deeper than the protests in Kiev. According to theInternational Monetary Fund, Russia's anemic economy is teetering on recession, projected to achieve only 0.2 percent growth this year, as the country confronts a corrosive mix of rampant corruption, stagnant growth, high inflation, and a shrinking population.

To dig out of this hole, Russia will need Chinese customers to supplement European consumption. If Putin manages to sign this deal, it will send 38 billion cubic meters of natural gas to China annually -- less than a quarter of what Russia currently sells to Europe, but still a shot in the arm for Russian export earnings. It could also provide an additional boost for the Russian treasury by igniting broader development of untapped energy resources in Russia's Far East. Furthermore, the proposed pipeline would be on a different grid from Russia's gas infrastructure for Europe -- in other words, Russia will not divert Europe-bound gas to China.

That's not to say there aren't clear benefits for China in doing the deal. Gas imports from Russia would support China's goal of moving away from carbon-intensive fossil fuels like coal and petroleum that are substantially responsible for the orange haze that often blankets the skies above China's megacities. On a bad day, breathing the air in Beijing isequivalent to smoking 21 cigarettes. And beyond the immediate environmental and health concerns, pollution is fast becoming a political issue that threatens the legitimacy of the Chinese Community Party. Gas imports provide a potentially promising path to resolve these economic and political headaches -- and there's substantial room to grow, as gas currently accountsfor only about 5 percent of China's energy needs. Domestic production won't do the trick either: Major efforts to crack the shale gas code in China could eventually diversify gas supply, but serious water, infrastructure, regulatory, and financing challenges make that a long way off.

The major difference is that unlike Moscow, Beijing has options. With the shale gas revolution in full swing, the Asia-Pacific region is fast becoming a buyers' market, as new producers from all over the world scramble to get in on the action. Gazprom will have to move quickly to lock in the infrastructure and financing commitments necessary for the Siberian pipeline project. Otherwise it risks being beaten to the Asian market by alternative suppliers in Central and Southeast Asia (which already havepipeline infrastructure to China) or by suppliers from North America, Australia, and East Africa that are working furiously to build gas liquefaction and export facilities that can deliver (literally) boatloads of gas to Asia. China is increasingly prepared to be on the receiving end of this boom, with nine existing import terminals and another five on the way. Seaborne cargoes from the United States could start arriving as early as 2015. If Russia doesn't bend far enough on price, China could look elsewhere to meet its needs.

Even if Putin succeeds in signing up the Chinese to purchase Russian gas, there will be few reasons to pop the champagne in Moscow. This deal isn't an escape hatch for a country whose relations in the West are quickly souring. Instead, it's a virtual necessity in Russia's desperate attempt to shore up its wobbly economy.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/05/19/china_has_russia_over_a_barrel_putin_oil_gas_energy
 
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No doubt Russia is going to get very rich in the mid to long term future, with all this big economies wanting it's energy it's not so bad to be called a "gas station masquerading as a country".

There are a lot of countries that should be rich, if you look at the natural resources they possess. Papa New Guinea is a recent example of a country that got massive attention from Exxon to develop a liquid natural gas project worth billions. Unfortunately the population so far has seen none of the benefits from the ordeal as that money doesn't flow into the local economy.
 

Enosh

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That's not a particularly great thing in an economy that isn't very diversified. Natural resources will only take you so far, especially when said resources are under the control of an oligarch or government agency.
natural resources should be under the control of a government agency
 

leroidys

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Russia has a lot more work to do than just kicking out Putin and the oligarchs since they were corrupt as hell and oligarchical before Putin. What Russia needs is massive structural reform.

The less coal and more natural gas that China uses the better, so I am perfectly fine with this deal. Its simply not practical to ship Gas from America to China, so this was about China's only option if they wanted gas. China really doesnt have the water to frak gas for itself.

It's completely practical, especially when the new greenlit LNG terminals on the west coast go up.
 

Ether_Snake

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Anyone who actually took the time to think about it would realize that Russia put itself in a bad spot and gave China the upper hand in that deal, all because of its Ukraine-related objectives. This is basically Putin trying to save face.

It's a big "Pfff not even hurt."
 

Silentium

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Yeah, about that...

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But if we take that graph back a year
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Obviously non-adjusted for inflation and the loss of Soviet satellite states; but it tells us that Russia was undergoing a period of economic shock therapy following the collapse of Communism.

Putin just happen to take over at the right time. We would likely have seen a similar upward trend in GNP regardless of the leader.
 

Ether_Snake

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I don't think foreignpolicy or washingtonpost have ever written a positive article on china or russia

So in what world does a leader end up settling a deal right after being hit with sanctions, a deal that has been under negotiation for decades really, at a time when he basically has no one else to deal with, makes it a better deal?

It's obvious that this is political posturing for Putin, at the cost of a worst deal.
 
So in what world does a leader end up settling a deal right after being hit with sanctions, a deal that has been under negotiation for decades really, at a time when he basically has no one else to deal with, makes it a better deal?

It's obvious that this is political posturing for Putin, at the cost of a worst deal.

While the sanctions would of impacted, its really a issue all emerging markets are facing at the moment, slowdown since the world recession ended 2-3 years ago.
All members of BRICS have the issue

*edit: grid above shows it
 

Madness

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It's not nearly as impressive when you consider that it's a 30-year deal. That's 13.3 billion a year. A whopping 0.66 % of Russia's GDP.

It's more about China having a secure source of gas for the next 30 years. Something that goes beyond just Russia having income. Plus it signals to the West that Russia can and will secure contracts with other countries should they move away. Russia is next trying to bring Afghanistan and India into some sort of deal as well.
 
But if we take that graph back a year
6Kuo6qR.jpg

Obviously non-adjusted for inflation and the loss of Soviet satellite states; but it tells us that Russia was undergoing a period of economic shock therapy following the collapse of Communism.

Putin just happen to take over at the right time. We would likely have seen a similar upward trend in GNP regardless of the leader.

There is nothing like "taking over at the right time", an economy is only as good as the leadership of the country. The fact remains that he steered the country towards prosperity, 1998 didn't become suddenly more favorable than 1997.
 

East Lake

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"Putin and his gang of parasites" took Russia from a 380 billion dollar economy to a 2.55 trillion dollar economy in just 13 years, and while the economy has slowed almost to a complete halt there is no reason why it shouldn't rise again in the mid-long term.
What happened to the 7 percent annual GDP growth he expected? I'd say by Putin's own expectations he is objectively underperforming. 2011

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who seeks a return to the presidency next year, targets growth of 6 percent to 7 percent to turn the economy into one of the world’s five largest. Tens of thousands of people in Moscow and other cities protested yesterday over claims of fraud in a Dec. 4 parliamentary vote that reduced his party’s majority.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...pered-by-poor-business-climate-oecd-says.html
 

Piecake

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There is nothing like "taking over at the right time", an economy is only as good as the leadership of the country. The fact remains that he steered the country towards prosperity, 1998 didn't become suddenly more favorable than 1997.

Or it could be a result of the Commodities boom from 2000-2008
 

Ether_Snake

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There is nothing like "taking over at the right time", an economy is only as good as the leadership of the country. The fact remains that he steered the country towards prosperity, 1998 didn't become suddenly more favorable than 1997.

Let's all applaud the great Greek leadership of the 2000s! Maybe Kim Il Sung too while we're at it.
 
Or it could be a result of the Commodities boom from 2000-2008

Or it could be the result of good leadership, and the resource boom is simply a great bonus. Clinton left Washington in great shape, what happened when bush left? again an economy is only as good as the leadership of said economy, one could have easily made the argument that "bush succeeded because he came in at a right time" but he didn't succeed so what it ultimately comes down to is leadership.

What happened to the 7 percent annual GDP growth he expected? I'd say by Putin's own expectations he is objectively underperforming. 2011

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...pered-by-poor-business-climate-oecd-says.html

Oh no doubt, Russia is currently seriously under performing by every account. But i believe like all economies Russia is experiencing a cool off time before they start growing again, though i doubt they will grow above 5 percent annually going forward.
 

pgtl_10

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What happened to the 7 percent annual GDP growth he expected? I'd say by Putin's own expectations he is objectively underperforming. 2011

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...pered-by-poor-business-climate-oecd-says.html

Funny a pro-Western media saying Russia's economy is in poor climate. This is western media 101:

The Iranian economy? It is in shambles
I came to the US in 1983, and every year I read several articles about how the Iranian economy is in shambles. Every year. In fact, I notice that the economy of any country that stands up to the US happens to be in shambles.

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-iranian-economy-it-is-in-shambles.html

weeks after Russia became a foe of the US, it earns another honor from Western propaganda
Now it is official: the Russian economy is suddenly declared to be "in shambles". I always write that since i came to the US in 1983, I have been reading that the Iranian and Syrian economies are in shambles. The Libyan economy was also in shambles until the Bush administration made a honeymoon deal with Qadhdhafi.

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2014/04/weeks-after-russia-became-foe-of-us-it.html

The Angry Arab commentary on this perfectly sums it up.
 

Chichikov

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There is nothing like "taking over at the right time", an economy is only as good as the leadership of the country. The fact remains that he steered the country towards prosperity, 1998 didn't become suddenly more favorable than 1997.
Ummm what?
There is definitely something like that.
Politicians, even ones as strong as Putin only have limited control over the economy.

To claim that an economy is only as good as the leadership of the country is silly, especially in a country which its economy is heavily dependent on natural resources.
I mean shit, you're not going to argue that Saudi Arabia is great leadership, right?

Now I'm not saying Putin is as bad as the some of gulf states leaders, he could've done worse for sure, he probably could've done better, but at the end of the day Russia GDP correlate pretty well with energy prices.
 
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