EatinOlives
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SONY needs to change the controller for the PS4
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Well, now I've heard everything.
giancarlo123x
Banned
Something something first post. The controller better stay the same till the day Playstation dies. Remember last time when they got stupid ideas and thought about changing the controller?
I disagree. DS3 dpad is the best dpad in a home console now. Currently the overall best Dpad is in the vita. I'm sure (hope) sony uses that for the next DS
It makes perfect sense. When my hands are holding the DS in a relaxed position, both my thumbs rest over the analogs. The rest position of my left thumb isn't higher than my right.
Asymmetrical stick placement and the awful d-pad are the two biggest problems with the X360 controllers, IMO.
CambriaRising
Member
(And a little more space between the sticks so my thumbs don't knock into eachother...
and maybe handles built for people without flat hands)
Woah, are your thumbs the size of christmas hams?
(Pics?)
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Fix the shitty triggers, make it a little bigger for all the whiny gorilla men, call it a day.
Jailer of Hope
Member
Should have changed at least the form factor with the PS3 tbh. The one thing I want changed for the 360 controller would be the D-pad and I would be happy. With the DS3 I would want the triggers, form factor, and at least the nubs of the sticks changed... I remember I would always have to stop running in PS2 games or put my right thumb on the left stick to keep the stick position until I repositioned my left thumb when it was slipping.
Dion Blaster
Member
Things that need to change on the Sony controller:
1) Sticks - at least put the left one on top. A d-pad is better suited to be on the bottom because you don't need to worry as much about your thumb's orientation to it.
2) Triggers - I think everyone can agree on this one. 360 and GCN shoulder buttons were much better.
3) D-Pad - Copy Sega or Nintendo's dpad somehow (apparently they're patented?). At least it's better than 360's (which isn't saying much).
I also wouldn't mind a bit more bulk.
1) Sticks - at least put the left one on top. A d-pad is better suited to be on the bottom because you don't need to worry as much about your thumb's orientation to it.
2) Triggers - I think everyone can agree on this one. 360 and GCN shoulder buttons were much better.
3) D-Pad - Copy Sega or Nintendo's dpad somehow (apparently they're patented?). At least it's better than 360's (which isn't saying much).
I also wouldn't mind a bit more bulk.
Oh, so it's really a case of the pad being too stiff for you. It sounds like you have sensitive hands.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
It's the IOS controller design of console controllers. Works well but it damn needs a change already. Can't believe people say it's perfect... It is not. The layout needs a change
BossLackey
Gold Member
I completely agree with OP
It's an outdated design, and it served it's purpose, but it just doesn't cut the mustard on a few levels. Namely, playing a shooter just doesn't work nearly as well as the 360, the controller of which is quite a bit better in many aspects. I don't even own an XBox anymore, all Sony for me, but they could really benefit from looking at their Western competition.
It's an outdated design, and it served it's purpose, but it just doesn't cut the mustard on a few levels. Namely, playing a shooter just doesn't work nearly as well as the 360, the controller of which is quite a bit better in many aspects. I don't even own an XBox anymore, all Sony for me, but they could really benefit from looking at their Western competition.
How about simply making the distance between the sticks greater? Asymetrical hand placement in dual-stick games doesn't make sense to me.
First reply nailed it.
Actually no. Your thumb naturally sits where the left stick is on the 360 pad. That's why that stick was put there. Your left thumb doesn't sit naturally with the dualshock.
You may be used to it, yes, but that in no way makes it right. At all. Not one bit.
There we go. One and done. It's fine.
Revolutionary
Member
I agree, but that's not going to change the minds of people who think the DS3's dpad is too rigid. In fact, they'd probably cry.
The analog sticks are completely inexcusable at this point. They were bad by the tail end of the last gen, but the giant variable dead zone is so awful compared to the far more responsive sticks on the 360 and the Wii nunchuk. Having them on the interior of the controller and parallel to one another is also terrible; move that left stick to the D-pad location already. Redo the triggers so they aren't seemingly custom built to make your fingers slip off them without a third party add-on, too.
Honestly, I have never liked the PlayStation controller, even from day one of the PSone. I'd prefer a full overhaul of the entire design, but the controller shape is so iconic I doubt Sony is willing to change its silhouette much.
Only if you don't have the spinny-Dpad 360 controller, which granted is a lot to pay for a decent Dpad. Stick the Vita Dpad on the PS4 controller and I'd be happy with that aspect of it, at least.
Honestly, I have never liked the PlayStation controller, even from day one of the PSone. I'd prefer a full overhaul of the entire design, but the controller shape is so iconic I doubt Sony is willing to change its silhouette much.
B.O.O.M. said:
Only if you don't have the spinny-Dpad 360 controller, which granted is a lot to pay for a decent Dpad. Stick the Vita Dpad on the PS4 controller and I'd be happy with that aspect of it, at least.
Giant Panda
Member
Thank you. Way too many people are resistant to change for no reason.
sony D pad is perfect as it is. No need to change it. Miles better than the 360 one where fighting moves/ combos is virtually impossible
Syphon Filter
Member
then you will need to reach for the dpad.hell no outta here with that.
Absolutely. The DS4 with a Vita Dpad will be godly.
I'll just copy & paste.
Yep, in theory it sounds good if you can keep your thumbs on the nub dead center at all times but in reality as soon as you start moving the stick you are pretty much just touching the ring edge. Pretty much renders the concave depression useless.
Bingo. The triggers could perhaps do with some tweaking in the shape but I actually like the way they feel. The looseness of the sticks is delightful and easy to use and the dead zone is miniscule. The controller is a damn work of art on a mechanical level. Redesigning for comfort would be alright though as long as they keep the symmetrical sticks. The d-pad is great for what it is but going into the future a vita pad would make it the greatest controller ever constructed. Also the vibration feedback is a dream, no other controller has rumble as good as a DS3.
Baconsammy
Banned
Agreed with both of those reasons, and I'll add that the triggers are idiotically designed.. DS is the absolute worst current controller. But I'd say controllers are the least of Sony's worries at the moment.
Also change the shape of the top of the stick to something like this:
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Exactly what I would like for them to do. Better triggers (concave curvature) and sticks with an also concave surface. I like the position of the sticks the way they are. The D Pad is ace and the whole form factor of the controller is nice to hold in my hands.
Mikey Jr.
Member
NAH.
What? You rarely if ever use the dpad this day and age.
If you play fighting games with it, you're already on fail street anyway. The "fighting game" argument fails horribly for dpads given anyone who is even remotely serious about them owns an arcade stick.
AuthenticM
Member
I'm sure they could do something with the triggers (L2 and R2), but the rest is just perfect. Best controller ever.
Zekra Dezivad
Member
I really don't care, I like the Dualshock.
Of course it need to improve. Analogs and triggers, for example.
Of course it need to improve. Analogs and triggers, for example.
EatinOlives
Member
Wrong. Your thumb naturally rests exactly in between the d-pad and the joystick. It takes just as much effort to move it from one direction to the other.
I found the comfort level of both placements to be exactly the same. The difference we're talking here is like an inch. I'll never understand how people can find such a negligible difference such a huge deal because it simply isn't.
I'm with op. One of the worst, playable, controllers of all time. Obviously it can't compete with shit like the 5200 controllers, but I hate everything about the controller. The thing feels cheap and flimsy, the sunken d-pac sucks, the analog sticks feel loose, the triggers suck, and the buttons don't have enough resistance.
So why isn't the right stick there?
My thumbs have always naturally gone onto the sticks.
pharmboy044
Member
People asking for Concave sticks for the next controller are probably going to be disappointed if the Vita is an indication of Sony's preference.
To be honest, I highly doubt they will change anything regarding the form of the controller.
To be honest, I highly doubt they will change anything regarding the form of the controller.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Slightly bigger and concave triggers. Other than that leave it alone.
Oh and the vita's dpad scaled up to fit.
Oh and the vita's dpad scaled up to fit.
I'd remake the entire thing. It's so stagnant and boring. Scrap the entire thing and try something new. This may mean motion control, or something with a lot more buttons, or something with a lot less. All I can say is that the current controller is creating stagnant game design that doesn't really appeal to me, and I'm unlikely to get a next generation system as a consequence.
Hey I have an idea! Let's debate this until our faces turn blue!
Syphon Filter
Member
no. i prefer a pad for fighters even when serious.i cant play with sticks and it doesnt feel as satisfying. why should i need to buy a sick when its not my fault if a pad has a crappy dpad. also dont forget 2d side scrollers.
Captain Tuttle
Member
I've always said that it's a jack-of-all-trades and a master of none. It's good but Sony can do MUCH better. And it's too small for adult hands.
You use it to select weapons/tools/different spells in numerous games. The D Pad on the 360 controller makes me sometimes select a different item than the one I actually wanted. It's unreliable. It doesn't happen every time but it happens enough to be inconvenient.
megamerican
Member
I remember having my mindblown when I got upgraded to the Dual Shock in 98/99. Such a revelation. Now it's a relic. My hands are too big for it. The analog sticks have no grip. And the triggers are poop from a butt.
Sony needs to fix their SHIT big time.
Sony needs to fix their SHIT big time.