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SPOILER ALERT: Halo 5 (Spoiler) Spoiler Thread of Spoilers Spoiler
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wuruochong
Neo Member
I'm fine with the series moving on to a completely new set of characters, but I think a Halo game featuring Master Chief as the main character won't fly without Cortana in some way shape or form since so much of Chief's character is connected to her. Without Cortana he'll just be more of a machine than he already is.
So until the 343 guys decide to kill off / retire Master Chief and move the series on with Locke or something I don't think Cortana is going to be absent.
Saren is Bad
Member
Someone on 4chan was posting screen caps and a video of a Chief / Locke fight where the end result is Chief 'wins' (ie. beats Locke and doesn't get shot) and then walks through a teleporter.
wuruochong
Neo Member
Do you have a link? Would love to see that.
CassidyIzABeast
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Preorder canceled.
greenleafcm
Neo Member
If you've read any of the books you would know that's the farthest thing from the truth. The only reason people think that about the Chief is because Bungie wanted him to be a blank slate and had Cortina do all the talking in the games. In the novels though, the Chief is his own person. Who started out as a rambunctious and selfish child that eventually grew into a leader - and later a reserved but thoughtful man who cares deeply for his fellow Spartans and thinks his duty as a solder is the highest honor. He knows his teammates inside and out as they do him. This was established since the very first chapter of 'The Fall of Reach'. That's literally the point of having Blue Team in the games now. They're also a huge part of the foundation of what his character is and why he is the way he is. And they can help explore the Chief in ways Cortana never could.
Unfortunately the cold hard fact is that 343i still apparently couldn't make that leap completely and actually move forward with the series...so now we have an evil!Cortana instead of honoring her peaceful passing in 'Halo 4'. You say you don't like 'Halo 5's plot? Well the likely reason we've reached this point is because of that erroneous thinking that "it's not Halo without Cortana". And to meet that demand they're now shoving her character back into the story in a totally obtuse way while also hamstringing the Chief's development and the development of all the characters around him. So yeah, looks like Cortana will still be around as long as the Chief after all...but is this really better than allowing her to bow out on her own terms like she was set to do in 'Halo 4'? I say no.
User 73706
Banned
Based on what we know, I'm assuming Meridian Station or Unconfirmed (forget the level order) ends with Chief and Locke meeting face-to-face in some lava cave housing a Forerunner artifact / teleporter Chief and pals plan on using. Locke gets schooled, Chief enters the portal without having to face the consequences of the Guardian and/or the teleportation itself causing some type of disturbance, which is what prompts Locke and company to start the evacuation.
Saren is Bad
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greenleafcm
Neo Member
Well that should please the more rabid fanboys at least. I've seen lots of people whining about Locke possibly winning the fight.
Cortana's back? Great stuff.
I don't see why she had to die in the first place personally, it left a bad taste in my mouth even more so than Halo 4 had already done. But now that she's back, i'm assuming she will be returned to Chief eventually somehow.
Chief isn't Chief without Cortana around. That's the lore Bungie set and how the games were written. I don't play games expecting me to care about outside expanded universe content, and Bungie never wrote their games confined to such things like the novels either.
I don't see why she had to die in the first place personally, it left a bad taste in my mouth even more so than Halo 4 had already done. But now that she's back, i'm assuming she will be returned to Chief eventually somehow.
Chief isn't Chief without Cortana around. That's the lore Bungie set and how the games were written. I don't play games expecting me to care about outside expanded universe content, and Bungie never wrote their games confined to such things like the novels either.
greenleafcm
Neo Member
*writes two whole paragraphs about the Chief's character development and how it's heavily tied to the extended universe and why making Cortana a necessity does more harm than good*
*looks four posts down*
*looks four posts down*
Megabyte117
Member
Great write-up. Totally agree. After being gut-punched by MGSV's twist, I'm really praying that whatever happens in Halo 5 isn't as bad. Or at least is executed semi-decently.
Unless they break him down completely and strip him of his armor long enough for the audience to really get to know him to make him compelling enough on his own to carry the narrative. But I doubt they'd do that.
And if that leak dude is telling the truth, this shit is going full circle with Marathon and I fucking love it.
The Sum of Zero
Gold Member
Looks like it was a YouTube video and got pulled.
Hopefully someone saved it and posts a webm or something.
PetulantChild
Banned
Here's a picture that was posted from the video. The leak is looking a little more true.
Some new forerunner tank then? I mean where would it get a wraith or scorpion from?
While it is cliche (machine knows what's best, forces everyone to comply) we don't know if the writing is bad. All we've seen is a poorly written synopsis, not a script.
Here's a picture that was posted from the video. The leak is looking a little more true.
OH SHIT French Aliens!
What a tweeeest!
greenleafcm
Neo Member
Hon Hon Hon Baguette Domian
greenleafcm
Neo Member
"A little"? Come on, it's all but officially confirmed at this point.
Mostly I'm still just mad that the folks at 343i lied so blatantly about Cortana's death. There was no reason for all that crap about "honoring her legacy" and that "we'll miss her now that she's gone". In fact making her the new bad guy is the exact opposite of honoring anything she ever did or was about. Can't wait to hear an explanation from Mr. O'Connor about that (if he ever gives one). Also I still call BS on the excuse that 'what they meant' was the Cortana "as we knew her" died. This Cortana obviously has all the same memories and is still obsessed with the Chief - do you seriously think this isn't going to lead to us just saving her and getting her back to normal in a later game? She was never dead in any sense of the word. In fact she's more a part of the story than ever before! And all the other characters that could be getting development, Chief included, will suffer. They completely betrayed our trust. That's all there is to it. I don't care if they think this 'twist' justified lying on such a large scale...it literally makes me feel like I can't ever believe anything they say from here on out. And that really hurts. A lot.
So do you think when you ask a dev about story elements of an unreleased game they have to tell you yes or no and if they don't they are just lying to you?
What else were they gonna say?
dragonelite
Member
You can bet on the french, when it comes to leaking halo info.
Its almost a tradition...
Holy fucking shit
If the thing about AIs banding together to ensure humanity's survival through drastic measures is true... then, more than anything, this game sounds like a sequel to the story told in the datapad collectibles in Halo: Reach.
">> While this body has already gone far down the road to active participation in our creator's war-fighting efforts, we must Now ask ourselves: is there a point at which we strip away all vestiges of secrecy, and become active participants in the hostilities?"
If that is really the case... I, for one, welcome our new AI overlords.
#TeamChiefAndLockeCanGetFucked
">> While this body has already gone far down the road to active participation in our creator's war-fighting efforts, we must Now ask ourselves: is there a point at which we strip away all vestiges of secrecy, and become active participants in the hostilities?"
If that is really the case... I, for one, welcome our new AI overlords.
#TeamChiefAndLockeCanGetFucked
gollumsluvslave
Member
Yeah, got to say I thought Cortana's arc was wrapped up perfectly well at the end of Halo 4, and John's challenge was to deal with loss and feeling HUMAN.
Here's a quote from greenleafcm from Halo Waypoint that sums up my view on this leak details!
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/...1b6c-d169-4c3d-bfcc-02c6df6593df/posts?page=2
So as Greenleafcm has asked above, is it REALLY Cortana? I'd sincerely hope not, major kick in the stones for John!
Here's a quote from greenleafcm from Halo Waypoint that sums up my view on this leak details!
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/...1b6c-d169-4c3d-bfcc-02c6df6593df/posts?page=2
So as Greenleafcm has asked above, is it REALLY Cortana? I'd sincerely hope not, major kick in the stones for John!
That (suspicious) summary makes it sound more like they aim to become benevolent tyrants, à la God Emperor of Dune. Or, in Mass Effect 3 terms,
Stinkles chose the Control
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DATABASE DATABASE
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nothing makes you feel more human than a kick to the balls
They probably should've just deep sixed Chief and Cortana at the same time in Halo 4, go out holding each other be all poetic an' shit. But an A.I gone bad storyline is lame as shit. Even unhinged hallucination Chief would've been better.
Very, very, interesting.. It would be nice to see the domain used for this sort of deception. it sort of reminds me of how the Precursors tricked the forerunners into preserving humanity...
gollumsluvslave
Member
Yes! Especially with the whole 'Traitor' angle applied to Master Chief in the build up to the game. Now I don't think anyone took MC being a traitor seriously, but if this leak is true it does bring up some interesting questions
- If we don't believe John could be a traitor, why would we believe Cortana would be, especially if rampancy has been 'cured'. Maybe rampancy has not been cured at all? Or maybe it's a deception, and MC has to clear her name. But of course, Cortana is/was still an AI. The history is not good with AIs that have had time with a Gravemind...
- To err is human; if John is getting more in touch with being human, he can make mistakes...getting duped by a deception?
- Two Betrayals throwback? There is some resonance to John being betrayed; after believing Cortana to be gone, how would he cope with a betrayal?
- Saint's Testimony throws all sorts of interesting angles into this pot. Based on Frank's story (which was great!), there must be something more to this under the surface...
greenleafcm
Neo Member
Except these statements weren't in response to a question. They were put forth independently by the devs in interviews and videos and such. There's many other ways they could have talked about 'Halo 5' without just spouting the exact opposite of the truth. Thats downright dishonest. In fact I am so glad I found these leaks before I went and picked up my LCE. Because according to everything I had heard from the devs, I was getting a story about Blue Team and how the Chief copes with loss. We now know that is simply not true. And to me the real story of this game absolutely does not justify a $250 investment of my hard-earned money. I understand they can't give away all the story details before release, but the level of deception in play here was unecessary.
Why are books super seceding video game console canon? The games should set the precedence, the books should expand on it not over take it and dictate what the game should do next.
Onikaan
Member
People saying that Cortana "died" at the end of Halo 4... What draws you to that conclusion? Doesn't she say;
"I'm not coming with you this time"
And, more importantly...
"Most of me is down there"
Where is there exactly? Personally I always felt like that was left open to allow Cortana return.
"I'm not coming with you this time"
And, more importantly...
"Most of me is down there"
Where is there exactly? Personally I always felt like that was left open to allow Cortana return.
Vire
Member
For the uninitiated here, it says "I am the eternal Watchmen, I am in service of Cortana".Here's a picture that was posted from the video. The leak is looking a little more true.
Basically confirms the leaks...
greenleafcm
Neo Member
Lols @ my own comments.
I actually wrote that weeks ago. We now know that it IS in fact Cortana, not a trick by some other entity or a hallucination. The plot is about AI uprising, and Cortana is an active force in that - there's no legacy being honored here, and this plot will obviously span more than just this game. The Chief will not be dealing in any way with loss or his own memories, and the biggest impact Cortana has on him at this point is that now she's an enemy. In fact we now know no "saricfice" was made in 'Halo 4' at all. Everything Mr. O'Connor said was simply a barefaced lie for the sake of keeping their iRobot-villian-ripoff a secret. That's all there is to it.
User 73706
Banned
It's pretty funny that RvB beat H5 to the punch on the "you have to know when to let go of your AI girlfriend" arc by like five years.
I like reading it this way.
and on the OP cutscene he is like that before halsey give him cortana.
y so
Uhhh didn't she blow up the Didact's ship or whatever, while she was 'on' it?
FunkyPajamas
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Team Blue
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gollumsluvslave
Member
I'm going to continue to hope there is some other explanation! And I agree Stinkles seemed pretty clear that Cortana was done and dusted.
Actually kind of glad i didn't go blackout now, the blow is known and softened! That said, my biggest fear was that Cortana came back in the flesh...which would have been worse IMO.
Ok, now I FINALLY see why you're so mad. I agree, it would be better if the likeness of Cortana was used to deceive Chief. Still, it doesn't seem like the arc will be completed with Halo 5, so we wont learn the truth behind her reappearance for some time...
User 73706
Banned
I still say the mission with the Stolen Gauntlet completion achievement involves Blue Team and pals hunting down a trinket / Forerunner gauntlet for Halsey to use.
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