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SPOILER ALERT: Halo 5 (Spoiler) Spoiler Thread of Spoilers Spoiler

DecepticonCora

Neo Member
The Flood's nature is to destroy biodiversity and with it free will. That's in direct opposition to the noblest version of the Mantle, which the Librarian espoused: to preserve and protect life so that it can thrive in peace. Ideally, it's the responsibility of whoever holds the Mantle to tend the galaxy like a garden. Cortana, who may still be unstable, might have embraced a distorted version of that message. Mendicant Bias certainly did.

And yet it seems every time someone tries to uphold the Mantle, they can't fairly rule. The Precursors would exterminate species. The Forerunners kept the development of other races down to restrict any threats to their rule. Though indirectly, the Covenant was a submit or die ideology. Humanity couldn't even keep themselves from engaging in civil war. Cortana seems to be going down the route of the Forerunners and Covenant. Submit or die. Where is the free will there if any choice but accepting Cortana results in death? I mean, what do you think she is going to use that Halo for? The Guardians?
 

Monocle

Member
And yet it seems every time someone tries to uphold the Mantle, they can't fairly rule. The Precursors would exterminate species. The Forerunners kept the development of other races down to restrict any threats to their rule. Though indirectly, the Covenant was a submit or die ideology. Humanity couldn't even keep themselves from engaging in civil war. Cortana seems to be going down the route of the Forerunners and Covenant. Submit or die. Where is the free will there if any choice but accepting Cortana results in death? I mean, what do you think she is going to use that Halo for? The Guardians?
The savage history of the Mantle is part of what makes the story interesting. Is the Mantle a flawed concept doomed to failure? Or has every species that's tried to uphold it been overcome by their base tendencies? Maybe the AIs can collectively work out a way not to be evil dictators. The Assembly has already shepherded humanity in secret (according to Reach's datapads). Unless Cortana or the Domain is spreading a logic plague, the AIs who join Cortana might be able to do good things with their increased capacities and resources. (Maybe even stand against Cortana if she's up to no good.) Depending on a lot of factors that are still unclear.

We have no idea what Cortana wants to use the Halo for. It could be a gun pointed at the head of the universe, per Halo CE, or she might be preparing to repel the Flood, which was down but not out after Halo 3. As for the Guardians, who knows? Maybe she'll use them to keep insurrectionists and other hostile factions with military power from spreading chaos.

I don't mean to blindly defend Cortana here. Something seems off in her actions and personality. It's just that we don't know enough to say for sure whether she's gone power mad, or whether there's something more to her plans. After all, she didn't kill any of the Spartans coming after her, and she had endless opportunities to liquefy them in their little suits.

Loved the story

Cortana is bamf
Absolutely.
 

jelly

Member
It makes me think, what exactly did the game achieve by including Team Osiris and making us play as Locke? Considering the small build up that ends in nothing.

What did it do that it couldn't have done had we played as Chief 100% of the time? Outside of the last mission which was a rescue of Blue Team which very well could have just been from the perspective of another Blue Team member (had they developed their characters enough) or Chief trying to rescue his Blue Team members or just figure out some other way to do the last level.

In grand scheme of things if you look at it, Locke's inclusion brings nothing to the game as far as story is concerned. All it allows for is to have some cool levels that are disjointed from the main story such as the one set in Sanghellios since Chief obviously couldn't have been there as he was chasing Cortana. But then Blue team was chasing Chief and yet they found a way to fit that mission in the story.


In short...the game should have focused around Chief fully since eventhough he is at the "centre of it", there isn't enough of him to justify that...and as such he should have been the main playable character.

Felt the same way. There was no point to them. They could have built up Cortana and Chief realising what was happening much better and mix it up with Blue team.

If anything Osiris should be a team helping out in Halo 6 or a stand alone game.
 
I pretty much look at Halo the exact same way you do. With Halo 4 I felt pretty happy, and optimistic for more, but 5 sent me to a state where I just look at it as Halo 3 was the end. Chief is still just floating out in space.
Halo 7 will be the Master Chief waking up from a big nightmare in cry sleep.

Felt the same way. There was no point to them. They could have built up Cortana and Chief realising what was happening much better and mix it up with Blue team.

If anything Osiris should be a team helping out in Halo 6 or a stand alone game.
Osiris had no point beside trying something new. I can kind of see them going back to just playing as the Master Chief with Halo 6. Just like Halo 2 introduced the Arbiter, but Halo 3 kind of had him as this support character.

And yes, it would have made more sense to have Chief go around the different planets in search of Cortana instead of this stuff.

Btw, anyone else think is sounds strange theu use Master Chief and Arbiter as names instead of titles? It is constantly "We have to help Arbiter" "We have to find Master Chief". Isn't it "the Arbiter" and "the Master Chief"? You also don't say "We have to find admiral" or something.
 

jelly

Member
Man that Cortana body. I real life cringed

Going for the commander role, I guess they tried to make her look more mature in the face for that reason as well but looks really odd. I can see freeing her of her armour ahem clothes will be a thing to show she is back to herself in Halo 6. Then ripping off Casino Royale, I've got no armour left or something. I think they may even make her a physical being next time. Who doesn't want a Cortana boss fight 4 times.
 

Z3M0G

Member
Halo Escalation is where she gets her revenge. Its a direct continuation of Spartan Ops.

OH FFS... and what is that? Seriously... this franchise... :/

The games should really work on their own...

Here is where I am having trouble with Halo 5's story:

Halo 4 took the series in a different direction than I would have taken but I felt it still did the job very well. I was invested in Halo 4 and I loved all the extended media surrounding it. I could really get behind where they were taking the series, even if it wasn't where I would have taken it specifically.

Then Halo 5 comes along, and not only does the marketing campaign, as well as the podcast for hunt the truth lead us to believing a lot of things are going to be going on in Halo 5's story that in fact aren't at all. But then to top it off all of the extended media 343 has been releasing leads us in a completely different direction, with all of the background on the forerunners and their conflict with the humans. Leaving them to obtain the mantle and such, the lifetime of planning for the Chief and the strong hints that he may of had some geas or imprint of the Iso-didact himself. There was a lot going on and you could see they were headed towards something very interesting.

But then Halo 5 story happens, and it ruins everything that has been established within 343's own extended universe. They talked about how this game would change everything you thought you knew about Halo, and while it does they didn't do it in a clever way. This isn't one of those situations where there is a big reveal and you realize everything they had been telling you all along was kind of pointing to this and you didn't realize it. No, it was more of "Hey cortanas bad and shes leading AI's to take over the galaxy" Nothing pointed to that, it didn't seem interesting or clever.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm just stating how I am feeling right now, and that is that I don't think I can follow the Halo universe anymore. It's convoluted and makes no sense. What's really sad is that it would be easy to say 343 is the only reason why Halo went downhill (story-wise) but I can't even say that, because I liked Halo 4 and several of the extended universe stories. I don't see anyway this story can turn around. It literally seems impossible after what happened in Halo 5. Like, I can't conjure up one scenario that would fix where the universe is headed.

So disappointed by the story. Though I want to clarify I have a lot of respect for 343 and their team. I'm sure they worked their asses off, and it's evident by how great the gameplay and multiplayer is. It just completely went off the rails for me as far as the story goes.

Sounds like things would be better if they don't consider Halo 5 cannon :p
 

Z3M0G

Member
The Legendary ending was spot on as well. Ties it all back together. This story should end on a Halo after all.

How much of Halo gameplay actually takes place on Halo's?

I wish the entire franchise was just about Halo rings and taking them out... such an amazing setting, imo.
 

SaganIsGOAT

Junior Member
Man, that cutscene during the first mission on Genesis where Chief and Co. come across all the dead covenant; the music is creepy and so is the atmosphere... I legitmately thought we were gonna get a new enemy, then the Warden showed up and I cried everytime.
 
OH FFS... and what is that? Seriously... this franchise... :/

The games should really work on their own...



Sounds like things would be better if they don't consider Halo 5 cannon :p

They never worked on their own, it is not the first time important stories are told outside of the games nor will be the last. Halo CE had the entire covenant conflict and origin of Spartans told in novels, Halo 2 had the events between CE and 2 told in novels, Halo 3 had the events of Chief returning to earth told in comics, Reach had the entire inconsistency it introduced and was kind of explained by the journal and recton of novels. It was always this way.

How much of Halo gameplay actually takes place on Halo's?

I wish the entire franchise was just about Halo rings and taking them out... such an amazing setting, imo.

Limiting an entire franchise onto one geological location isn't smart if you want to build an universe. A Halo is the luxury card of the series and shouldn't be pulled too often.
 
Halo CE didn't work on its own?

Even with all the books that came out for it, you didn't need to know literally any of it to get involved with what was happening in the first game.

Relatively I mean, he kind of implied on the bigger scope of things Halo games should work on their own but we know it is not the first time Halo requires outside reading to get the whole picture.
 

DecepticonCora

Neo Member
The savage history of the Mantle is part of what makes the story interesting. Is the Mantle a flawed concept doomed to failure? Or has every species that's tried to uphold it been overcome by their base tendencies? Maybe the AIs can collectively work out a way not to be evil dictators. The Assembly has already shepherded humanity in secret (according to Reach's datapads). Unless Cortana or the Domain is spreading a logic plague, the AIs who join Cortana might be able to do good things with their increased capacities and resources. (Maybe even stand against Cortana if she's up to no good.) Depending on a lot of factors that are still unclear.

We have no idea what Cortana wants to use the Halo for. It could be a gun pointed at the head of the universe, per Halo CE, or she might be preparing to repel the Flood, which was down but not out after Halo 3. As for the Guardians, who knows? Maybe she'll use them to keep insurrectionists and other hostile factions with military power from spreading chaos.

I don't mean to blindly defend Cortana here. Something seems off in her actions and personality. It's just that we don't know enough to say for sure whether she's gone power mad, or whether there's something more to her plans. After all, she didn't kill any of the Spartans coming after her, and she had endless opportunities to liquefy them in their little suits.


Absolutely.

My problem with the Assembly comparison is that they seem to be working backwards from where Cortana was. They guided humanity in secret, but by the end they saw the ideal relationship with Chief and Cortana as two mind in one body, so to speak. I also don't hold much of a hope that the AIs will be purely rational beings working things out for the good of all. Human AIs are just as human as we are and we saw how emotional Cortana got. How much does that impair her judgement?
 

Brojito

Neo Member
So, let's see here...

- Locke and Team Osiris all serve no purpose and have barely any character.

- Blue Team serves no purpose and has no character.

- The entire second mission of the game, Argent Moon, serves no purpose other than Chief randomly having a vision in the middle of it.

- ONI/#HuntTheTruth serves no purpose and is a no-show.

- Meet and greet filler missions serve no purpose.

Am I missing anything?
 

Tawpgun

Member
Did you enjoy the triple boss fight?
Yeah, I thought the warden and knights were interesting enemies to fight.

But story wise I was confused by him. He started to help us and then tried to kill us and cortana was letting him fight us but then reigned him in.... Wtf
 

Ein Bear

Member
Anyone else feel like Halo 5 originally had a much different story?

Spartan Ops seemed to be building up to something entirely different, with the Librarian giving Halsey a key which showed the locations of Forerunner tech and Halsey swearing revenge on the UNSC after they tried to kill her. It also felt weird having Jul built up as this important bad guy throughout Spartan Ops only to have him immediately killed off in a cutscene in Halo 5.

Then you've got that E3 trailer of the Chief in a desert, of which nothing even remotely similar happened in the game. What's interesting is that if you look through Halo 5's achievement artwork, there's several pieces of concept art showing the cloaked Master Chief from the trailer in what looks like ruined human cities and fighting hordes of Elites.

Feels like there was a big shift at some point in development. If true, I'd be very interested to know what the original plan was.
 
Anyone else feel like Halo 5 originally had a much different story?

Spartan Ops seemed to be building up to something entirely different, with the Librarian giving Halsey a key which showed the locations of Forerunner tech and Halsey swearing revenge on the UNSC after they tried to kill her. It also felt weird having Jul built up as this important bad guy throughout Spartan Ops only to have him immediately killed off in a cutscene in Halo 5.

Then you've got that E3 trailer of the Chief in a desert, of which nothing even remotely similar happened in the game. What's interesting is that if you look through Halo 5's achievement artwork, there's several pieces of concept art showing the cloaked Master Chief from the trailer in what looks like ruined human cities and fighting hordes of Elites.

Feels like there was a big shift at some point in development. If true, I'd be very interested to know what the original plan was.

I suspect that the Aboslute Record arc was going to be part of Halo 5, with Palmer replacing Locke on Fireteam Osiris (or some close analogue of them). But then H4 came out, and the reception it got was the thing it got, so... yeah. The Absolute Record stuff got shunted to the comics, as did Palmer, and a new storyline was put together. Poncho Chief was most likely something they were playing with for a bit there but ultimately decided not to act on for any number of reasons. That's just standard game dev stuff.
 

SaganIsGOAT

Junior Member
Anyone else feel like Halo 5 originally had a much different story?

Spartan Ops seemed to be building up to something entirely different, with the Librarian giving Halsey a key which showed the locations of Forerunner tech and Halsey swearing revenge on the UNSC after they tried to kill her. It also felt weird having Jul built up as this important bad guy throughout Spartan Ops only to have him immediately killed off in a cutscene in Halo 5.

Then you've got that E3 trailer of the Chief in a desert, of which nothing even remotely similar happened in the game. What's interesting is that if you look through Halo 5's achievement artwork, there's several pieces of concept art showing the cloaked Master Chief from the trailer in what looks like ruined human cities and fighting hordes of Elites.

Feels like there was a big shift at some point in development. If true, I'd be very interested to know what the original plan was.

I'm feeling like maybe some of the original plan got shifted and maybe parts moved to Halo 6. Think about the state of the Galaxy at the end of Halo 5. Cortana has 11 Guardians that she is ready to use to enforce peace. Thousands of AIs are joining Cortana. Chief and Co are on Sanghelios. I'm thinking this is where Halo finally can take a darker narrative turn. Think Half Life 2 when you first emerge and see the Citadel. Imagine everyone having to complete this mission of stopping the Guardians/Cortana while remaking undetected. That feel from Half Life 2 could be capture incredibly with you and your cloaked Spartan allies outside and there's a Guardian looming overhead. Backs against the wall, that would be some good shit.
 
Fairly sure the campaign went under some sorts of rewrite at this point, the E3 demo is completely different in the final game, the intermission talking/walking areas sound like remnants of the old kind of open route structure they talked about.
E3 demos are never usually straight out of a campaign mission, they're usually retweaked specifically for the demo so that the demo is more intense. I doubt the E3 demo was ever "canon".

Same thing with the Halo 4 E3 demo.
 
I liked the campaign.

My only real beef is there were just too many god damned Promethians. And that bullet sponge Warden you have to beat like 9 times. It felt more like work than enjoying a video game.
 
Z

ZombieFred

Unconfirmed Member
The pacing and some of the story I found a bit odd but I enjoyed the campaign. I kind of miss being on a Halo ring and more of that atmosphere though. Need more chief!


Also who here agrees that 031 Exuberant Witness was best new character in the game outside Chief? Her voice/character was incredible (and cute <3)
 
I liked the campaign.

My only real beef is there were just too many god damned Promethians. And that bullet sponge Warden you have to beat like 9 times. It felt more like work than enjoying a video game.

The trick to the Prometheans is that you need to use automatics (preferably Suppressors) on the Soldiers to strip off their armor, fighting them with precision weapons only leads to nothing but frustration, especially on Legendary.
 
The pacing and some of the story I found a bit odd but I enjoyed the campaign. I kind of miss being on a Halo ring and more of that atmosphere though. Need more chief!


Also who here agrees that 031 Exuberant Witness was best new character in the game outside Chief? Her voice/character was incredible (and cute <3)

If Cortana dies, I wouldn't mind Exuberant taking her place.
 

Brojito

Neo Member
Exuberant was fun.. although I don't know that I'd call her a great character, she doesn't really do anything besides be "cute".

Still, it really says something about the writing when a random AI with very little importance to the story is more likable and memorable than all SEVEN new Spartan that are supposedly main characters and have over twice the screentime.
 

Glass

Member
If Cortana dies, I wouldn't mind Exuberant taking her place.

I felt they could have done that with this game. Since she died at the end of 4, I really don't think they'll kill her off in 6, because thats then two games of her dying and John having to deal with being 'alone. ' She was kind of going a bit insane/bad at the end of 4 even. The story beat would be exactly the same.

I think 6 will act as a reset - somehow she'll be cured, or become a slightly newer version of herself, and John and her will be ready to start working again.

I'm just ready for Chief to be his old self. I don't see how this super drab version of him who only spouts military lines has any more character then MC in 1-3.
 
I'm just ready for Chief to be his old self. I don't see how this super drab version of him who only spouts military lines has any more character then MC in 1-3.
More time with him is needed, but he wasn't one note.

He lost himself in the work to get over the loss of Cortana, and then once she was back in the picture he ceased to give nary a single fuck for anything else. I think him trashing Locke was a pretty nice character moment too. Not used to the Chief having a temper.
 

Toa TAK

Banned
More time with him is needed, but he wasn't one note.

He lost himself in the work to get over the loss of Cortana, and then once she was back in the picture he ceased to give nary a single fuck for anything else. I think him trashing Locke was a pretty nice character moment too. Not used to the Chief having a temper.

Seeing him get incredibly defensive, and willing to give her a chance up until the very moment he's pulled into the cryptum was great to see. It's a shame we didn't spend more time with him, because of all the talk that was spouted about him being more of a character Halo 4 on, there's little here. Halo 4 did a good job with furthering both his and Cortana's development and I had hoped 5 would as well.
 

hwalker84

Member
For me Single player only ranking

Halo 1 > Halo 5 > Halo 3 > Halo 4 > Halo Reach > Halo 3 ODST


Sorry to not be on the hate train but I loved this game. I'm not invested in the book lore and everything made perfect sense the way it was presented in the story. I'm not sure if you guys are playing on co-op with your friend in your ear and not paying attention. It was simple to follow IMO.
 
The fight between Chief and Locke is so incredibly disappointing. They move so slow and sluggishly.

I know it's motion captured and all, but these are super soldiers, the fight should've been quick and amazing! I imagined Chief and Locke to encounter each other in melee a few times or so as well. One lame fight and that's kinda it.
 

LeFAIS

Member
I'm kinda new to the Halo franchise. All be it I did play the first two on OG Xbox at a friends, I was to little to remotely get the story, plus English isn't my first language.

So I bought an Xbox One a while back and I resently made my way trough Halo 1-5 and odst. Loved all of the games and their stories.

Only downside to Halo 5 on my end is that you're playing with Locke most of the time. And what the heck with that whole marketing campaign, I thought Locke was out to kill The Master Chief.
 

TheOddOne

Member
Genesis is the real star of Halo 5.
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The art and environment artists did something not even Halo 4 could do, amaze me with a new location.
 

Joeku

Member
So based on the Legendary ending we're going to go to some forerunner structure and flip a switch from "organic" to "digital" and fire all the Halos to kill Cortana in Halo 6, right?
 

Moa

Member
Fairly sure the campaign went under some sorts of rewrite at this point, the E3 demo is completely different in the final game, the intermission talking/walking areas sound like remnants of the old kind of open route structure they talked about.

Compare Halo 4's E3 demo to the actual Infinity level from Halo 4.

They changed the level to make it work in the demo.
 

Glass

Member
Yeah, I'm going to go round on easy with the HUD-less skull on (I presume its there, not found them all yet) and screenshot the hell out of most of the levels, they look great.

Now thinking about it, how do the events of 5 tie into this tv ad with public ONI declaration that Chief is dead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SENJV2_XuLM

It doesn't really fit with the story in the game. All Chief does is say 'Negative Infinity, I don't like it.' Isn't ONI delcaring him dead the biggest over reaction ever? They even know why he's gone rogue.
 
So based on the Legendary ending we're going to go to some forerunner structure and flip a switch from "organic" to "digital" and fire all the Halos to kill Cortana in Halo 6, right?

Uh, probably not.

Although, I have no idea how they're going to deal with Cortana barring Deus ex Machina like that. Maybe throw the Flood at her + the remaining Forerunners?
 

CryptiK

Member
Just finished it. The whole swords of sanghelios trailer was a lie, Chief was long gone by then hell I dont think we had a single truthful trailer. Infact the trailers showed what looked like a much much better story.

You can tell that hub worlds at one point were going to be a thing as well. Meridian and Sanghelios base camp stand out. I a fair bit of the story was cut.

Last note hoky shit would this game look amazing on a PC at times it looked great and then times it just had the potential to look great only to be fucked over by shitty resolution and a screen full of jaggies.

Overall the story was extremely average.

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > ODST > Halo 5 > Halo 4 > Halo 1

Uh, probably not.

Although, I have no idea how they're going to deal with Cortana barring Deus ex Machina like that. Maybe throw the Flood at her + the remaining Forerunners?

Flood doesnt affect her or promethians.
 

CryptiK

Member
The Gravemind sure affected her in the interim between Halo 2 and 3. It was able to get into her head.
It was but Halo 4 said that the promethians were made to combat the flood as nothing of them is organic. The AIs in the Halo universe are made with human dna Cortana has accended past this as shown on the final 2 levels.
 
Yeah, I'm going to go round on easy with the HUD-less skull on (I presume its there, not found them all yet) and screenshot the hell out of most of the levels, they look great.

Now thinking about it, how do the events of 5 tie into this tv ad with public ONI declaration that Chief is dead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SENJV2_XuLM

It doesn't really fit with the story in the game. All Chief does is say 'Negative Infinity, I don't like it.' Isn't ONI delcaring him dead the biggest over reaction ever? They even know why he's gone rogue.

Speaking of that "Negative Infinity" part, Infinity says another team is already being prepped to deal with Cortana. What was that all about?
 
It was but Halo 4 said that the promethians were made to combat the flood as nothing of them is organic. The AIs in the Halo universe are made with human dna Cortana has accended past this as shown on the final 2 levels.
You're right on all that, but maybe the Graveminds are different? I don't know. But the gravemind in H2/H3 sure did a number on her.
 
It was but Halo 4 said that the promethians were made to combat the flood as nothing of them is organic. The AIs in the Halo universe are made with human dna Cortana has accended past this as shown on the final 2 levels.

The Flood aren't great against the Prometheans, but they can still give them one hell of a beating. And if Mendicant Bias could get mindscrewed by the Flood, you better believe Cortana could.

Besides, we haven't seen a Key Mind in game yet.
 

Flipyap

Member
Also who here agrees that 031 Exuberant Witness was best new character in the game outside Chief? Her voice/character was incredible (and cute <3)
Exuberant is just a gender-swapped Guilty Spark, except she's not even useful as an info dump dispenser.
Governor Sloan was much more interesting and so was the power structure at his settlement, which actually taught us something new about life in the Halo universe.

As far as cutesy gag characters go, she pales in comparison to the Grunty storyteller or the Elite poet.
 
Governor Sloan was much more interesting and so was the power structure at his settlement, which actually taught us something new about life in the Halo universe.
Absolutely. Just wish he didn't have the stock wolverine voice.

Listening to conversations between the folks there and the Governor you can see all the hints dropped at whats really going on. Like how their systems are down even though all the hardware and software checks out, with Sloan basically shrugging his shoulders and saying "Dunno, try rebooting it again and see if that fixes it" when he knows he's just putting them through the motions.

I'm feeling a better sense of place and background on my second playthrough, because all the conversations and intel.
 
Exuberant is just a gender-swapped Guilty Spark, except she's not even useful as an info dump dispenser.
Governor Sloan was much more interesting and so was the power structure at his settlement, which actually taught us something new about life in the Halo universe.

As far as cutesy gag characters go, she pales in comparison to the Grunty storyteller or the Elite poet.

A gender swapped Guilty Spark who gives you a tank. I'd call that pretty useful.

I do agree that Sloan, Storygrunt, and the poet have her beat, though. I also kind like those Banshee mechanics.
 
Unknown at this time.

Hm, i am thinking.

There is 8 Halo array. (plus 00 and Greater Ark) 04 and 04B are destroyed. We saw 03 in the Halo 4, this is not the actual ring. 05 is in orbit around Substance (the blue planet), On Installation 01 no water surface, so i think tha last scene we saw the 02 or 06 or 07 ring.
 
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