Digital-Hero
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Oh so the murder of many will be let go? Come on man. There's obviously a counsel anyway, it's not just her.
Kylo/Ben needs to answer for the crimes.
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Oh so the murder of many will be let go? Come on man. There's obviously a counsel anyway, it's not just her.
Kylo/Ben needs to answer for the crimes.
RoninChaos
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I'd really hoped they explained more about that but I think they didn't get into politics because of the prequels and shit like blocked trade routes. They didn't really seem to cover why the new order arose and what kind of damage they did with the star killer.
Don't see how he comes back from snuffing out his old man.
The relationship (or lack thereof) between the Republic and the Resistance is one that I hope is explored in other media (comics, books).
I get the impression that the Resistance essentially acts as an off-the-books "proxy force" for the Republic in a shadow war against the First Order. They receive limited support from the Republic so the Senate can maintain "plausible deniability".
He'll bring down the First Order in Episode 9.
Say what you will about the prequels, but some of the music...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVBqBosf5w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVBqBosf5w
Its in the novel. She was sent by Leia to ask the Republic for support. Leia claims there are forces out to get her in the republic itself and that if she were to step in there she would be met with some unfortunate 'accident'
It would have been nice if the movie, ya know, explained shit like this. But no, Abrams was more interested in hurtling the audience along from one hurried action sequence to the next.
I can't believe I'm going to say this but ROTS might have been a better movie.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Rey means King in Spanish, btw. No way she isn't related to the royal bloodline of Leia somehow.
Say what you will about the prequels, but some of the music...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVBqBosf5w
Music and sound design on the prequels was always on point.
I was gonna say this...
That was his Vader moment at the end of Jedi... Vader choose his son/Light but he choose the dark side.
Seventy_X_Seven
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Certainly looked like Leia was running the whole thing. And she told Han to bring back their son, and Han tried to convince Ben that it wasn't too late. And the "council" is made up of people like Admiral Ackbar. I'm not saying he would be welcomed back as if nothing happened, but I'm fairly certain Leia would be able to convince everyone that Snoke is who is really to blame, as if everyone didn't already know that.
Boogie9IGN
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For those asking about C-3PO's red arm, I could've sworn he mentioned something about it being under repairs or being upgraded. So it makes sense that he had the gold one back at the end cause repairs/upgrades were done
Enter the Dragon Punch
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that's exactly what he said
Cheers, thanks for the info.
I have a few friends that like to act cool because they're gonna wait and see it when it's not so crowded. *They* aren't giving into the corporate hype machine, no sir.
Well, my screening had basically zero children, extremely respectful patrons, and an all-around party atmosphere. Have fun with a screaming cadre of seven-year-olds in two weeks.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Elitist1945
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My dude. Not the best quality, but
You're fucking amazing. Just need one of Finn now.
You're fucking amazing too.
He easily gave the best performance of the bunch. Can't wait to see what he will do in the next films.
ultrazilla
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I disagree. I think Rey will end up being Luke's daughter. Luke was training both Rey and Ben(Kylo), Ben went bad, Luke panicked and decided he wanted out-did a Force wipe of Rey's memory and went into hiding. This would explain the "awakening' ie: "surpressed memories" and the reason why she was able to do the Jedi mind trick so easily on the storm trooper and also how good she was with a light saber. She had *already* been trained by Luke! My theory anyways.
Fantastic movie. But seriously, when will the Empire learn that death stars and planet killers just don't work out for them?
It was him. He is in the credits. Same as Nein Nubm(sp?, Lando's co-pilot from Jedi)
It does seem like the Republic is as much an incompetent mess as it always was. Certainly there is a massive intelligence gap to let the First Order finish that Starkiller base. You can't tell me no one noticed a planet sized weapon that dwarfs the Death Star is being built, especially when you have a whole spin off about the Resistance getting the plans for the original Death Star.
It is a very well made movie, but I wish it had the balls for a bit more originality. Seeing things like the MF, Hoth and Cloud City for the first time was awesome and this didn't have those moments.
His performance was outstanding, love it.
They really, REALLY didn't learn it in the non-defunct EU.
AdmiralSnackbar
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I think we all pretty much know he's going to die throwing Snoke down a shaft.
Well there was some kind of new republic fleet in those nearby systems, but they all got nuked. The resistance / republic would generally be more well armed than that, but being blindsided by the starkiller they were conveniently left with about the same fighting strength they had at yavin.
More_Badass
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I'd liken it to the Nazis coming into power after the defeat of Germany and its allies in World War 1. And the Starkiller attack on the planets would be akin to the Nazis nuking London or New York in 1939 instead of simply invading Poland
Glass Shark
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Maybe I just have bad hearing or something but I didn't notice any Yoda or Obi-Wan voices in the flashback sequence like people are talking about.
They wiped out an entire solar system
and killed a few trillion people in the process
Seventy_X_Seven
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Problem with this theory is you'd think Luke would of at least dropped off his own daughter with a family or someone to watch out for her.
I definitely heard a voice say "Rey . . ." Kinda sounded like Obi-Wan to me.
I really loved the movie on one hand, but on the other it's hard to objectively say how good it is since it so heavily relies on nostalgia and retreaded plot. I really wish one of those two things was slightly less. That and holy shit the entire movie was one crazy coincidence after another. The only way this shit even remotely happens is if the force or whatever is guiding literally everything everywhere at all times.
I also thought Finn's turning away from the stormtroopers was kind of hamfisted as fuck. They made it way too ridiculously obvious that you're wondering why none of the other stormtroopers are noticing it. That and his first like 5 minutes on screen are him huffing and sweating the entire time. After that Finn was rad.
And I was kind of disappointed they did literally nothing with Gwendolyn Christie's character.
I also thought Finn's turning away from the stormtroopers was kind of hamfisted as fuck. They made it way too ridiculously obvious that you're wondering why none of the other stormtroopers are noticing it. That and his first like 5 minutes on screen are him huffing and sweating the entire time. After that Finn was rad.
And I was kind of disappointed they did literally nothing with Gwendolyn Christie's character.
DrForester
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Destructive as destroying the system would be, it's one system in the Galaxy. And destroying the system would likely have almost no effect on the strength of the Republic Fleet.
I will be really let down if she is dead. My hope is that while Kylo Ren serves as the antagonist for Rey, Phasma serves as the antagonist for Finn.
My dude. Not the best quality, but
I though this was a middle finger and not a thumbs up.
bananafactory
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It's definitely supposed to be a thumbs up
Spiritreaver
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Listening to the soundtrack now. It bums me out that neither the Resistance or the First Order have themes that stand out. Maybe that's just me.
Hmmm...so there's an interesting theory going around that Kylo, after slaughtering all of Luke's students, spared Luke's daughter, and took her to Jakku and left her there.
In the novelization of the film, Kylo clearly knows quite a bit about Rey, mumbling to himself "It is you" as Rey grabs the blue lightsaber.
In the novelization of the film, Kylo clearly knows quite a bit about Rey, mumbling to himself "It is you" as Rey grabs the blue lightsaber.
Father_Brain
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It was very, very good overall. I wish it didn't try so hard to parallel the OT, especially with Starkiller, which is just fucking dumb, and I wish it gave more explanation of how a status quo that so closely resembles the OT status quo can exist post RotJ (which makes the new trilogy kinda depressing if you think about it - they defeated the Empire for this?)
But the new characters are great, and nearly all the key emotional beats land, which goes a long way towards making up for story deficiencies and is not something I can say about the prequels. Or, for that matter, Abrams' Star Trek films, or GotG.
But the new characters are great, and nearly all the key emotional beats land, which goes a long way towards making up for story deficiencies and is not something I can say about the prequels. Or, for that matter, Abrams' Star Trek films, or GotG.
I thought the movie all but screamed at us that Rey was Luke's daughter, and after I thought about it I (and others) have also floated the idea that Rey already had some training but it was somehow forgotten or repressed -- This would explain her proficiency with the force and the lightsaber which happened so quickly, and that would also fit well with the title of the movie.
Re. my above point -- The movie was full of subcommunication by the film makers. For instance, when Rey pulled the lightsaber out of the snow just like Luke on Hoth -- That seems like the film makers are communicating something just to us. Pulling a lightsaber out of the snow holds no significance to the characters in the scene, it's something only meant for the audience.
Stuff like the similar trajectory from a desert planet and the lightsaber in the snow and all that can be explained away as circumstantial -- But all of that supports a couple of parts in the movie that more clearly tell us something.
- 1) The part where the Lightsaber calls out to Rey and gives her visions. That it did this at all is interesting, but, again, could be explained away as other things. However, things go further when Maz describes a lineage going from Anakin to Luke to Rey. I felt like this was near confirmation on its own.
- 2) What seals the deal is the ending, for me, when Luke looks at Rey with such recognition. That's not the look of someone who's laying eyes on a stranger or someone who doesn't hold special significance to them.
Seventy_X_Seven
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This is my little brothers complaint after watching every action movie ever.
exmachina64
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The same thing that led to the destruction of the New Republic in the old continuity: bureaucracy.
In the new timeline, the Republic never wiped out the Imperial remnants and they became the First Order.
I did expect a Republic fleet to show up for the attack on Starkiller Base though.
The Republic demilitarized beyond a token fleet. System defense was left to systems beyond whatever fleet they kept for the Capital system. Starkiller base pretty much resets the Galaxy to where the First Order could very well be the most powerful force in the galaxy again
manfestival
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Seriously none of you thought that deathstar 2.0 looked like a pokeball?
Yeah, I realize it's kind of a problem in a lot of movies, but when you're dealing with an apparently galaxy worth of shit those coincidences get a bit weirder.
And Carrie Fisher but it was the case in the 80's.
ultrazilla
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Well she seemed pretty self sufficient and older(not a baby or young teen) and the memory(implanted by Luke?) of her parents apparently leaving the planet with hope they're coming back for her...just seemed to fit with her memories being wiped/implanted/ etc.
Leaving her with Leia and Han would have been all to obvious, what other family members would she have at that point?
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