I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Sakurai should also separate Popo from Nana, then replace Nana with Topi!
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Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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Sakurai should also separate Popo from Nana, then replace Nana with Topi!
RMS Gigantic
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Sakurai seems like the type of guy who would reveal Cranky Kong tomorrow for no other purpose than to fulfill this gif:
And before you ask, no, I would not be willing to avatar bet over it.
Well, I'm glad my thought was wrong! I was actually completely expecting a Zelda reveal until I noticed the banner was still there, but I guess it means nothing now!
tonyh24613
Member
Now wait for 1/11.
DDD or Metaknight reveal.
DDD or Metaknight reveal.
We'll get a dancing Kirby then.
1st November... That's gonna be a long wait.
lol
Alright Zelda! Everyone predicted right this time! I gotta say though I was a part of the minority who thought they would use her SS look, but man I'm really glad they didn't, she looks great. Hopefully there's an alt costume for her though.
That's...exactly what I was thinking. I'm thinking it's a new taunt. I'm actually calling for Sakurai to--
truthfully it sorta reminds me of this.
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That's...exactly what I was thinking. I'm thinking it's a new taunt. I'm actually calling for Sakurai to--
--Pretty much this lol. Impa's basically a seperate sheikah and can have a similar moveset and fill the newcomer space. Zelda on her own would be cool.
I cannot wait for this. I'm calling DDD before MK though
So, what does everyone here think the Phantom is exactly?
Just to point out, it's most definitely a Phantom from Spirit Tracks that Zelda has taken control of, due to the shield design and pink hue. For reference:
Zelda-possessed Phantom from Spirit Tracks:
Normal Phantom from Spirit Tracks:
Normal Phantom from Phantom Hourglass:
So, what exactly is it? The only possibilities I can think of are...
Just to point out, it's most definitely a Phantom from Spirit Tracks that Zelda has taken control of, due to the shield design and pink hue. For reference:
Zelda-possessed Phantom from Spirit Tracks:
Normal Phantom from Spirit Tracks:
Normal Phantom from Phantom Hourglass:
So, what exactly is it? The only possibilities I can think of are...
- The Phantom is an Assist Trophy.
- The Phantom replaces one of Zelda's Special moves, like Din's Fire.
- The Phantom is Zelda's Down Special, and Sheik is gone.
- The Phantom is Zelda's Down Special, and Sheik is replaced by Impa, a separate character!
- The Phantom is actually yet-to-be-revealed Toon Zelda, a new character!
Song of the Turtle
Member
Guys, you are missing the real news.
Donkey Kong has teeth now.
Donkey Kong has teeth now.
Wow, Zelda looks amazing, and I'd love to know what the Phantom is for...
Yeah... he looks SO much better now.
Yeah... he looks SO much better now.
Vampirolol
Member
That Zelda looks like an asshole as she was in TP. Oh man I hate that artstyle.
This is a really old conversation that I don't feel like dredging up so I'll try to be succinct. For Jr. my main beef is the paintbrush which is just nebulous in general and given things like FLUDD, I'm not sure if it would be very fun to see in Smash. Of course he'd have it, but I'd rather see it kept to a minimum and have him utilize the Clown Car and play more Koopaling-esque.
For Toad I wasn't referring to turnips, it was the ability to just carry things around in SMB2 like enemies, POW Blocks, etc. Also I wouldn't want Toad using generic stuff like driving karts either, I was mostly thinking of ways to get power-ups and gameplay mechanics from NSMB + 3D series into Smash and he is the best at doing so if Mario/Luigi/Peach stay static. Also, I'm not going to entertain your line about Waluigi, but if we're "scraping bottom of the barrel" moves/games to represent then Wario's Woods fits the bill. That game emphasized Toad's "power" archetype status from SMB2 by letting him carry and maneuver stacks(yes columns of them) of bombs and enemies. Additionally he had a unique wall-running ability ala mini Mario and had a kick that allowed him to slide enemies/bombs across similar to kicking a Koopa shell. That isn't to say i'd exactly want his move set to be entirely from that one game, but rather he has his own established abilities if they were sought out. (Besides Luigi, Peach, and Rosalina all share/borrow moves in their moveset that could have gone/belong to Mario so its a moot point)
Oh yeah and cool Zelda reveal. Not a fan of keeping the TP design, but I think going with a similar Link made it likely the same would happen to Zelda. That Phantom move will haunt my dreams if it is the hint towards Toon Zelda that I think it is in which case lowered expectations. Also Donkey Kong remains the best character in the daily pics I see!
The 3DS models look great.
They look better in the 3DS version honestly. Link's model in the Wii U version looks off for some reason.
Toon Link still looks great which is all that matters though.
Bill Rizer
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I think he'll show them only when he grins.
Yeah... he looks SO much better now.
Really? He looks fucking horrendous in that screenshot of his teeth. He looks badly photoshopped and his feet looks fucked.
They look better in the 3DS version honestly. Link's model in the Wii U version looks off for some reason.
Toon Link still looks great which is all that matters though.
Yeah, he looks like Link there, even his hair! but Lonk on that Wii U version, man. His face reminds me of Roseanne or something.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Wait, Donkey Kong has retractable teeth like Toothless?
I'm saying he looks better compared to the previous pictures.
I'm not saying he looks great in general.
Werewolf Jones
Member
I don't even like Shiek but I don't want her to be replaced.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It'd be like Jotaro vs Dio
Benzychenz
Member
'3DS limitations' shouldn't matter for transformations. There's still only one character actually in play.
Olimar's pikmin count is pretty much the only thing in question afaik.
I don't see how 3DS limitations would do that?
I still think Sheik is there. The Phantom would be very strange as an attack. Where would it come from? It's probably just an Assist Trophy.
Yeah it wouldn't make to much sense for Pikmin and Luma to be fine but Sheik a problem. I do think though that Sheik is now a separate character thanks to the Phantom move. (Why would Sakurai show a new AT on Zelda's reveal?) That move makes me dread Toon Zelda. LoZ series stays losing in Smash I guess. :/
Wryyyyy
Lol no.
Rosalina and Luma works and that's more complex then a transforming character.
True, but it was more of having to load in more characters into RAM at the beginning of a match.
Luma wouldn't be nearly as taxing as Sheik in that regard considering 1 is a full blown character and the other a puppet.
Spring-Loaded
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ssb4 DK looks kind of special. with teeh, it makes him seem less goofy looking and cooler like the DKCR/TF DK.
3DS carts are super fast compared to disks, so it can easily be done.
Akibastman
Member
It's an assist trophy.
She has the same pose in these two screenshots:
That's probably the Din's Fire pose and Sakurai is toying with his characters. And with you.
Yeah, the long load between Zelda and Sheik in Brawl was a nuisance. I was questioning if having 4 players all use Zelda/Sheik could essentially result in "8 characters" leading to performance issues but in that case Pokemon Trainer would be screwed.
NeonZ
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That was already a problem in Brawl though. The characters had to be mostly loaded mid-match, which is why there could be variable transformation time, rather than the quick transitions from Melee. I don't see how the 3ds how make things worse there. If they can't fit into the RAM, they'll just be loaded mid match again.
Having a cart instead of a disc certainly helps there. I just think the Phantom's presence is highly suspect.
I'd love that but it has zero chance of happening.
I'd bet that it's part of Zelda's moveset.I'd love that but it has zero chance of happening.
If anything that Phantom move would strengthen Toon Zelda's odds considering it fits her much more than TP Zelda.
It's an assist trophy.
She has the same pose in these two screenshots:
That's probably the Din's Fire pose and Sakurai is toying with his characters. And with you.
Is that ice shattering on fox?
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
I believe that's his shield breaking.
Red Arremer
Member
Am I the only one who just absolutely loves how shiny Zelda's gloves and Rosalina's dress are?
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
The clothing in this is very impressive. The ruffles in Peach's dress, the sheen of Zelda's gloves, etc. It all looks great.
It was actually a Wii U limitation that removed Sheik. The slow loading speed meant they could load her data fast enough during transformation.
On a serious note I like that they kept the TP design as it is one of my favourites for Zelda but I'm really pleased to see representation for ST as that's the only Zelda game where Zelda did a lot of fighting.
On a serious note I like that they kept the TP design as it is one of my favourites for Zelda but I'm really pleased to see representation for ST as that's the only Zelda game where Zelda did a lot of fighting.