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Supreme Court Nominee - Neil M. Gorsuch |OT|
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Ether_Snake
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I don't believe in this idea of "inspiring" or "rallying" the base. The Dems already have a base, the rest of the people they need to win are people who don't even know wtf a filibuster is.
If you mean preserving their base, sure, but they'll need more than that. And people who don't know wtf a fillibuster is never paid attention to SC appointments in the past and will just see this as Dems doing obstructionism, an easy sell for Trump.
It's not as easy for Dems as many make it sound.
baxter2231
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Democrates will roll over and do nothing, spineless losers
Bolivar687
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This is a fantastic pick and a big win for Trump.
JeTmAn81
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Do tell...
Because blocking Garland hurt the GOP oh, so much.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Probably a drive by post with no substance. SOP for Trump supporters.
If dems roll over, republicans will just kick them around like a ball anyway.
"Hey GOP, what you did was wrong, but we'll let you get away with it this time. Promise not to do it again ok?"
From what I have read he is somewhere in between scalia and Kennedy.
Advocatus Diaboli
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Yeah, maybe I wasn't clear. Sorry, I'm juggling posts.
It doesn't matter what Democrats do. If the Republicans want a SCOTUS pick confirmed, it will happen, because I'm asserting that arcane, byzantine Senate procedures don't matter to most voters, especially if it helps their team win.
If Dems don't fight Gorsuch, the GOP wins. If they do fight Gorsuch, the GOP wins. If it's politically expedient to eliminate the filibuster, the GOP wins.
The only way the Dems win is if they: (1) retake the Senate in 2018; (2) re-enact (or maintain) the filibuster procedures and fight all nominations; and (3) Trump actually respects the Senate procedures.
He is probably the least insane of the 21 names he originally floated.
Arrogant Bastard
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I just don't get it. Dems are holding an W after a solid L, things are looking up. Public opinion is on 'our' side, why change that for zero outcome. What do we gain by filibustering?
"Better" it's just like Scalia didn't die. "Worse" cause he is gonna be there for the rest of my adult life. He is exceptionally qualified and should be confirmed.
Fox Mulder
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Fucking joke that republicans stole a SC spot and nothing happened.
Tell me about. I'm turning 30 this year, and it suddenly on me that the world we're inheriting from the baby boomers is one that is designed to spite and hinder the younger generations, while at the same time, they expect us to be grateful for the soon to be husk of a world we'll have to spend our later years in. I can definitely understand how you would be feel powerless and complacent. It's really hard, and 2016 was a major turning point for Gen X and Millenials who see that the world is heading for a bad place.
The best thing I can say is that you can't give up. There's still, and the protests and outrage we've seen in the last couple months is reassuring. But we can't allows ourselves to fall into despair, because that's what they want for us. To be in despair and apathetic. Just hold out, stay strong, and be ever vigilant.
Ether_Snake
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Of course it didn't hurt them. But it will hurt Dems. There is a difference.
Raven117
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Yeah... taking a step back and looking at the possible choices of who trump could have appointed.... this is not the worst choice.
I may not agree with all of the mans positions, but he he is at least an intelligent and seemingly reasonable man.
Read sctous blog's write up on him. It will be okay... this time
I may not agree with all of the mans positions, but he he is at least an intelligent and seemingly reasonable man.
Read sctous blog's write up on him. It will be okay... this time
It sucks. It shouldn't have happened. The public shouldn't have rewarded it, but they did. Nothing we can do about it now besides use our tools most wisely to minimize the damage.
Autodidact
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It didn't hurt them because right-wing media didn't blast them for it. How do you think Fox News, Breitbart, et. al will react if the Democrats filibuster this nomination? It will be MADE into an issue in a way that Garland's thwarted nomination never was. I agree that the Democrats should filibuster it out of principle (Garland should've been the nominee) and strategy (it could sour relations between Trump and McConnell), but let's not act as though the right-wing media won't crucify those "obstructionist Democrats."
Hopefully this is the end of compromise on the democrats side.
Dems get the nom? Choose centrist as nominee
Repubs get the nom? Choose someone as far right as it gets
Tired of the Dems always compromising. If after trump this swings back to the Dems they need to just get it done and not worry about pleasing 100% of America. It is simply impossible to do that
Dems get the nom? Choose centrist as nominee
Repubs get the nom? Choose someone as far right as it gets
Tired of the Dems always compromising. If after trump this swings back to the Dems they need to just get it done and not worry about pleasing 100% of America. It is simply impossible to do that
Advocatus Diaboli
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It's unclear what we gain by filibustering. Gorsuch will be confirmed, one way or another. If it's more beneficial to retaking the Senate to filibuster and fight, then fight. If not, then don't.
That's the only calculation that matters.
And anyway, for an inevitability, Gorsuch isn't terrible. This could be far worse.
This was never a thing that could or would happen and I wish people would drop it.
Of course they will be good boys and girls, nothing to fear for Trump.
RPGCrazied
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He is anti gay. That is enough for me to say no. Not now, nor ever.
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
We are already on a 4 year "old ass justices please don't die" watch (dems chances for taking back the senate in 2018 are slim).
You are going to get crazy regardless. If dems let this one go through what makes you think the republicans won't use the nuclear option on the next one? This is the same stupid logic that Obama tried. He kept reaching out his hand and they kept chopping it off and he never learned. They need to fight. If they don't fight they all need to be primaried.
The only way to stop Trumps nominations is to win back the senate - and to do that they need to turn out their base. Kowtowing to Trump will not help them do that.
archreaper93
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So is he the lesser of the two evils?
I agree with this.
Do to the Republicans what they did to Obama. Don't give them an inch.
Amory
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The difference is, Trump doesn't know if McConnell really will get rid of it.
If they nuke the filibuster this time, then when he's making his next pick he has that in his pocket already.
Arrogant Bastard
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Yep.
What crappy graph. Lol. I mean, this is such a shit graph. Source?
R10Neymarfan
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What could he do?
No it won't. This idea that you can't punch back is so f'n stupid.
Trump has the presidency. Moron voters see things get blocked and gummed up, and they blame whoever's President. No matter who's doing the obstruction. Because they're idiots.
F'n hell, it won't matter WHAT you do, even if you do nothing, THEY WILL MAKE SOMETHING UP. Stop playing goddamn scared.
soul creator
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surprised it wasn't Judge Reinhold
since we have thrown tradition out the window I wouldn't be surprised to see one side or the other expand the court to pack it. The number of justices is only set by statute
The sad reality is... this is a "good" pick considering the nut jobs Trump has been appointing.
One of the better ones. He is very much qualified for the job. A decent fit if you want to maintain ideological balance. Basically a Scalia clone with more religious tendencies. That said, the Dems should fight this pick tooth and nail. This is a good point to flex whatever muscle we got and play a bit of tit for tat.
Goro Majima
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In the short term, I'm worried about what happens if Breyer, Kennedy, or RBG passes away. I feel like whole cities could burn in riot and protest.
RPGCrazied
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I guess. But being gay, I just fear for my rights now more then ever before.
And there's also a matter of timing. If Dems are going to filibuster every possible nom now for 4 years, that's a far bigger cost then if they do it like 3 years in. You're talking of 4 use of the power vs 1. McConnell may well do a very different mental math in that case.
UberTag
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Sets a scary precedent now, doesn't it?
If FDR couldn't do it I doubt anyone can.
Mr. Wonderful
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My contribution. Maybe someone could combine it with an angry Donald Duck.
Yeah... Like, fucking filibuster him.
What political strategy are they going to employ??
'We don't want to waste our bullets now'. Fuck that shit! If McConnell doesn't employ the nuclear option now, he will next time. There is no negotiating with terrorists.
Advocatus Diaboli
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He's apparently written nothing on LGBT issues. The "religious freedom" stance might lead to anti-LGBT conclusions, but it might not. Read this: from LGBTQ Nation.
Besides, Pryor would be WAY WORSE on LGBT issues.
Gorsuch is an inevitable conclusion. All of Trump's picks are unless 2018 is a reversal.
Time to start a new religion that believes republicans should serve as slaves to minorities for all eternity. You can violate human rights if your religion believes it to be legitimate after all.
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