RedAssedApe
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Id lament too if I blew a ton of my own money on developing a game. Hope he at least gets a return on what he funded.
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The Witness is being heavily pirated. J. Blow says piracy could impact his future.
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thekiddfran
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It is front page on EU store
Movalpolos
Banned
Will XCOM 2 have a DRM-free version?
...aand that's PC for you. Whenever you see people arguing over price point for Rainbow Six Siege being MP only or The Witness for god knows what, its clear that a whole side of gaming has been brought up feeling entitled by penny bundles and sales, unable to feel value. Just like on mobile.
OrbitalBeard
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I don't know much about PC gaming, fyi.
How easy is it to pirate a game that is only released on Steam?
How easy is it to pirate a game that is only released on Steam?
Mr_Antimatter
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The way I figure, if the price point is too high, the proper course of action is wait till ether you have more money, or the price drops. Using it as an excuse to pirate is just intellectually lazy to me.
thekiddfran
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Of course not.
SnowFlakeCake
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Yep, he might as well just use Kickstarter as there are people out there actually falling for that. Inafune showing Blow how it's done.
Ok, I'm in the U.S.
GhostTrick
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What about PS4 sales though ? No bundles, no piracy... comparative sales. Your explanation ?
GatticusFinch
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Reverse piracy.
wonderbrah
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No, but I bet they would have when the price drops or it goes on sale.
Very much depends.
My friend literally said to me "I wanted to pirate Tomb Raider but apparently it's too much of a bitch, so I bought it" last night.
To say that it has no impact is silly. Saying it has a massive impact is also silly. We don't have numbers.
This, so much. Yes, piracy is Bad and Wrong, but those who equate analyzing why it happens with a defense of it ("theft is theft, wrong is wrong", etc) have more interest in feeling morally superior than in actually reducing piracy and getting more sales to creators.
Theres nothing comparable to PC sales and prices on console. To my envy, too.
Already Torn
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Except the Witness, because the sales and price on both platforms are similar/the same.
GhostTrick
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I'm talking about the Witness though. Same game, same price, game selling the same on PC and PS4.
So what's your explanation because according to you, its expected on PC thanks to bundles and piracy.
Because, according to you, one side of gaming is entitled to penny prices. What about the other side though ?
cleveridea
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wow surprised to see complaints about the price and saying its partly to blame
I personally do not enjoy puzzles games, but this one looks incredible and after reading reviews I was surprised it was $60
I personally do not enjoy puzzles games, but this one looks incredible and after reading reviews I was surprised it was $60
GravityInsanity
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I doubt the poor sales are caused by piracy as much the game being a niche genre by a niche developer.
lol
lol
thekiddfran
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It's 40 dollars
This thread man. This shouldn't even be a discussion piracy is fucking stealing a product. It is no different than me walking into a store and walking out with a TV.
There is literally no justification for stealing or pirating. Literally none.
People need to take a good look at themselves and their values.
OrbitalBeard
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I think he meant to say he's surprised it wasn't $60.
CraigerGamer
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It always surprises me how laissez fair people who love video games are when it come to pirating. We as a community should be doing everything possible to prevent what amounts to scoundrels stealing the hard work of developers. I believe the community should publicly shame those who are doing pirating and advocate for the extreme criminlization of the sites that allow the thefts to occur.
Gamers should be the leading voice in this effort but instead we get dribble like, "well they wouldn't have bought the game anyway." You do not know this. And that's not a valid excuse in the first place.
The Community should be supporting devs like Blow and not just throwing up our arms and saying "oh well." It doesn't have to be this way. But it will remain so if we consider these thieves just minor annoyances.
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Gamers should be the leading voice in this effort but instead we get dribble like, "well they wouldn't have bought the game anyway." You do not know this. And that's not a valid excuse in the first place.
The Community should be supporting devs like Blow and not just throwing up our arms and saying "oh well." It doesn't have to be this way. But it will remain so if we consider these thieves just minor annoyances.
/end rant
BreezyLimbo
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Yeah. Im in the US too, and on Tuesday when I went to buy it(at noon, mind you), it was no where to be found in the front page or the 'new arrivals' section. I had to use the search function as well in order to find it.
Subpar Spatula
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I suspect this trend of piracy to grow even more since entertainment overall is expensive and is a big part of most people's lives. It's getting harder and harder for people to justify their entertainment budgets but people still want to remain part of the pop culture scene.
perfectsil
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I would be worried if my game is not the #1 pirated game on first week of release
The Albatross
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Probably not. It's a very nice looking game with some ~40 hours of content, and so $40 isn't bad at all. I doubt if it were $30 or $20 that pirates would have pirated it less.
Jacksinthe
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Call when every game uses this.
Call me when GOG goes DRM only.
Call me when Humble Bundle goes DRM only.
Call me when every game uses the exact same uncrackable technology and we will have this talk.
Until then the whole "b-b-b-but the FUTURE OF DRM!" talk completely evades the current situation and isn't a reflection of NOW. It isn't representative of the current landscape at all. Cracking games now is a lot more difficult than an .exe - you are correct, but you are neglecting how quickly crackers can amass to defeat a DRM vs back in the day when pirating meant swapping floppies. Shit travels instantly now due to ease of availability and there are a lot more pirates. Its 2016.
Good for JC3? Doesn't make my statement any less true.
Smh at these stupid fucking post
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psynergylover
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As fast as this thread is moving I think everyone missed this post I made here.
The people in this thread that continue to assert that a potential explanation for the occurrence of a crime is justification of that crime and therefore condones that crime are being purposefully intellectually dishonest.
Sintoid
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A lot of people I know hide behind this sentence in order to justify not buying games so that they can upgrade more frequently pc hardware
bananafactory
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Why is this thread 33 pages?
CosmicQueso
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Go back, read the article linked, and then say something.
Etc.
Amazing topic, guys. Keep the hate flowing. We all know what platform is a beast, etc.
M0nochromatic
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The conflation of the concepts of understanding and elaboration with condoning and justification.
Of all the PC gamers I've met in real life I'd say about 90% of them pirate games.
It also does seem that the fancier the computer the more likely they are to be a pirate.
Weirdest one was when I was talking about buying games off steam, they told me that they had paid so much for their computer, so why would they pay for games.
I don't know how much of an effect this has though. Like ios users spending way more than Android on apps, I think there may be two communities in the world of PC.
There's the people who would be more in touch with the industry of which as smaller percentage would pirate. Then the general game community where a later proportion do.
The Witness sits in the first one imho.
It also does seem that the fancier the computer the more likely they are to be a pirate.
Weirdest one was when I was talking about buying games off steam, they told me that they had paid so much for their computer, so why would they pay for games.
I don't know how much of an effect this has though. Like ios users spending way more than Android on apps, I think there may be two communities in the world of PC.
There's the people who would be more in touch with the industry of which as smaller percentage would pirate. Then the general game community where a later proportion do.
The Witness sits in the first one imho.
Ethics and morals aside, if you can save hundreds by simply pirating games, what incentive is there for people to buy full-prices games at launch?
This is why stuff like Denuvo is fantastic, and hopefully it will lead to even better DRM in the future.
Beer Monkey
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If a game doesn't meet your value proposition, wait for a sale, don't pirate. And don't whine about pricing.
Doctor Ironic
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People are really mad that a 60-hour game is $40 and are using a developer's two quick tweets on a completely different matter as confirmation bias.
Movalpolos
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Pirates are basically free advertising! What a twist!
Oh stop.
Freeman76
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This. I scrolled through all the menus and could not find it. I eventually had to do a search for it to get it to pop up. If I did not read GAF I would not have noticed the game came out.
My nan has played Candy Crush for hundreds of hours and she's barely spent a pound on it.
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