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TITANFALL 2 is depressingly disappointing....
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The fuck does this have to do with anything?
On topic, I don't understand why they felt the need to alter attrition at all. I'm still hopeful for the game, but from what I'm hearing, no longer a day 1.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
I hope they delay it. I was really planning to just buy this blindly, but it needs more polish.
I'm extremely glad there's this much backlash, I honestly thought I was going to be in the minority when I played it. Now there's so many people complaining, there's a chance they fix shit.
It completely floors me what they've done... like.. why? what reasoning was there? if you asked anyone that played Titanfall 1 what they wanted from a sequel, the answer is more content and a campaign. Not one person would have said "better gameplay", why they've gone and messed with the core gameplay just bewilders me.
Not true, not in slightest. The way the sequel handles acceleration and momentum conservation screwed the game feel and general speed of the game. You can boost off a well placed grappling hook jump, but there's no way to conserve momentum after that. There's no momentum building in wallrunning anymore, there's no bunnyhop to maintain speed while getting around to the next wall. And the maps help fast movement even less.
Livingskeletons
If I pulled that off, would you die?
Yeah I don't think you understood the importance of bots in Titanfall.
Without them, now everybody camps. The bots kept people moving and contributed to the overall flow of the game. Also the game feels empty as fuck now that their gone.
I'm not defending the game, but this is not true. It's not a killstreak. It's kills/points. You can die and will not lose your progress towards the Titan.
Chill Penguin
Member
Very disappointing to hear. I'm not even a big fps player and I loved titanfall. Such smooth parkour and the Titans were unique and interesting. Sounds like they're going for more mass appeal or something.
The problems I had were the maps being poorly designed. They don't encourage you to use all the mobility options and instead you end up perched on roof tops or lookout towers. We only got to see two maps so this could definitely be better in the final game. The pilots now glow red/blue for some reason, which makes you stick out like a sore thumb even across the map. This is an easy thing to fix. Lastly, the time to kill seems really quick. Maybe I'm misremembering but I don't remember going down so quick in TF1. If I'm seen by someone (which you will be because you're literally glowing), you're dead very quickly. The TTK wasn't high in the first game by any means but I felt like I could escape more often. This could be map design thing too, or also because the glowing pilots. One more thing would be the SMG's feeling non effective. This could be a map thing but I felt no reason to use an SMG over an AR in this. SMG was my go-to in TF1 as it was much better in close range compared to the AR. It could also be a fast TTK issue, because AR's drop people just as quickly in close range as the SMG in TF2.
I don't mind the slightly slower pace or the new titan mechanics. It's a sequel so it shouldn't play exactly the same way. I fully expect Attrition to be added at some point.
I don't mind the slightly slower pace or the new titan mechanics. It's a sequel so it shouldn't play exactly the same way. I fully expect Attrition to be added at some point.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
If Titans now require "killstreaks" to be called in, my hype has officially and thoroughly been dampened. Respawn pls
Drawing parallels between being mentally handicapped and liking AI enemies in MP is a great way to win an argument.
sammyCYBORG
Member
It was a joke mate.
When I play an MP game online, I want to be fighting real people. I don't want half of the enemies to be piss easy AI characters that take away from that experience.
Either increase the player count to allow for more people on the battlefield, or just remove the AI altogether.
I'm genuinely more interested in the game now.
Chill Penguin
Member
Agree, the bots add a certain liveliness to the game and helps clear out areas regularly. Another feature unique to titanfall, gone. Disappointing.
aygomyownroad
Member
I like playing against bots. No shame in it...
Reviewers and gamers screaming that the AI grunts are dumbing the game down and making it a casual experience.
I'm pretty sure you do lose some points when you die. At least I had a titan ready, then died, and when I respawned it was gone again until I got another kill.
Not sure if that was a glitch though.
If you want to treat something as a new IP, you should actually create a new IP. Titanfall fans aren't going to buy this after the game has been broken, and if you didn't like TF why would you check out the sequel? That audience has written the series off in favor of other shooters.
One high profile flop like this could spell the end for Respawn.
One high profile flop like this could spell the end for Respawn.
lmao i mean, git gud, amirite?
For a long time, people wanted a pilot vs pilot mode. I'm not seeing the problem?
I haven't gotten the tech test (owning neither of the platforms covered) but everything I've heard about Titanfall 2 sounds very dissapointing, particularly the removal of bots.
I'm dyspraxic and not particularly skilled in general, so the "useless AI bots" in the first game allowed me to have fun and feel like I was contributing and *not* ruining the game for everyone else on my team. The other changes also all sound less-than-desirable, but this is the real deal-breaker.
I'm dyspraxic and not particularly skilled in general, so the "useless AI bots" in the first game allowed me to have fun and feel like I was contributing and *not* ruining the game for everyone else on my team. The other changes also all sound less-than-desirable, but this is the real deal-breaker.
Killstreak means x number of kills without dying tho. It's way more punitive than Titanfall's system.
Uh, I never said to bombard their twitter... You post it in their official feedback forum. Pretty simple.
Lostconfused
Member
The game is also noticeably quieter now. With all the bot chatter gone, without the constant updates on your titan timer. The game feels very subdued at times.
Well then I guess they can all enjoy Titanfall 2.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Are they going to axe the bad maps we've seen so far? The only indicator we have of the quality of the maps in the game are the ones we've played in the beta test and they're terrible.
ebullientprism
Member
Thing is a lot of this is easily fixable. Movement speed, titan timers, bots in more gametypes etc. This could all be very easily fixed before launch, its basically one patch away from being good.
My biggest problem is Maps. They cant make new ones from the ground up and if we are stuck with the same quality as the Beta then nothing else will matter. Without good maps, it all fall aparts even IF they fix everything else.
My biggest problem is Maps. They cant make new ones from the ground up and if we are stuck with the same quality as the Beta then nothing else will matter. Without good maps, it all fall aparts even IF they fix everything else.
Darkangel
Member
I'm not even that upset about the emphasis on Pilot gameplay, it's the screwed up movement system that ruins it all. Everything related to speed, momentum, and physics should have been set to READ ONLY right at the start of development.
I found the metagame in TF1 basically turned it into a mech game with a bit of running around at the beginning. You had this awesome, incredibly fun movement system, yet eventually it would come to a halt once the enemy team all had Titans. Sure there's the whole cat and mouse aspect, but a good team of Titan players can make that very challenging.
I found the metagame in TF1 basically turned it into a mech game with a bit of running around at the beginning. You had this awesome, incredibly fun movement system, yet eventually it would come to a halt once the enemy team all had Titans. Sure there's the whole cat and mouse aspect, but a good team of Titan players can make that very challenging.
UnholySpectacle
Member
[NOTE] Please do not take the following post as me totally crapping on the game. This is my feedback on why I am not pleased with the changes thus far.
As many have noted the titans are awarded based on score, not killstreaks. That being said, I was getting my titans in no time which meant I had a huge advantage going into the next wave. I was consistently the top score for my team and it was because I was getting my titan so fast and making sure I picked up batteries for my shield. It also helps that you can get a bonus that ups your core build time to 20% automatically. The true issue I had was when using the splitter on the titan weapon it did not seem to be hitting the AI on the ground most of the match unless I was farther away. At that point, I might as well not bother shooting and just crush them by walking over everyone.
Time to kill on soldier versus soldier seems really low and the advantage of a bigger mag in the LMG class seems to really help. The smaller FOV when scoping an LMG does not appear to be a big loss when compared to the number of players you can down in a clip, especially with the faster reload perk. The time to kill on titans seems way higher now if you are a soldier attacking. But then again, a titan attacking another titan seems to do massive damage to the point where encounters don't last long.
The two maps they have shown off are horrible if Respawn are going for a balance between mech and soldier combat. The one city map is better in that regard but the other open map is just not fun to play as either type.
I had already preordered my digital version on the xbox store but after playing this I asked for a refund so I can commit more to BF1. I'll still pick this up someday to play the campaign but not until it is on sale. Hopefully by then Respawn will have tweaked it enough to make me interested again in the MP.
As many have noted the titans are awarded based on score, not killstreaks. That being said, I was getting my titans in no time which meant I had a huge advantage going into the next wave. I was consistently the top score for my team and it was because I was getting my titan so fast and making sure I picked up batteries for my shield. It also helps that you can get a bonus that ups your core build time to 20% automatically. The true issue I had was when using the splitter on the titan weapon it did not seem to be hitting the AI on the ground most of the match unless I was farther away. At that point, I might as well not bother shooting and just crush them by walking over everyone.
Time to kill on soldier versus soldier seems really low and the advantage of a bigger mag in the LMG class seems to really help. The smaller FOV when scoping an LMG does not appear to be a big loss when compared to the number of players you can down in a clip, especially with the faster reload perk. The time to kill on titans seems way higher now if you are a soldier attacking. But then again, a titan attacking another titan seems to do massive damage to the point where encounters don't last long.
The two maps they have shown off are horrible if Respawn are going for a balance between mech and soldier combat. The one city map is better in that regard but the other open map is just not fun to play as either type.
I had already preordered my digital version on the xbox store but after playing this I asked for a refund so I can commit more to BF1. I'll still pick this up someday to play the campaign but not until it is on sale. Hopefully by then Respawn will have tweaked it enough to make me interested again in the MP.
So MW3 didn't have any killstreaks because the support class?
You didn't fight the AI in Titanfall any more than you fought the red barrels in Call of Duty 4. They weren't 'bots' - they were mostly set dressing, and at the most they were as much of a nusiance as a Dynasty Warriors enemy. But they contributed to the flow and movement of the game.
schwabdizzle
Banned
I dont know why people are assuming Attrition will be gone.
The same people that wanted that dropped the game very quickly anyway. Pilot vs Pilot only in Titanfall 1/2 is fucking awful and not why a lot of folks enjoy the game. Of course it seems like Respawn listened to the vocal whiners so there you go.
Ugh.
I can see why people liked the AI bots in the first game but I did not.
They seemed to be an added bit of unecceasary randomness, they distracted from fighting other actual players, and they felt like an attempt to fabricate a more hectic online multiplayer than would otherwise be there.
I don't think they should remove them just for my sakes, I just quit and played different games instead.
They seemed to be an added bit of unecceasary randomness, they distracted from fighting other actual players, and they felt like an attempt to fabricate a more hectic online multiplayer than would otherwise be there.
I don't think they should remove them just for my sakes, I just quit and played different games instead.
I mean you're just arguing semantics, why doesn't Titans in Titanfall count as a killstreak, but MW3 support class does? There's no difference.
It's pretty obvious what people mean when they say killstreaks, trying to argue their point because they don't reset just makes you look silly. Technically they aren't even killstreaks, they're scorestreaks.
That's just preference. As long as we see variation with other maps, I'm fine with the ones there. If we could get an increase to speed and have things less weighty, I think they would feel better. I think the one with a bunch of buildings was fine. The outdoor one is a bit too flat and open, but it still played ok, moreso for pilot vs pilot.
Steve o 3000
Banned
I think the game is fine. Just a few tweaks needed here and there.
The lack of beta on PC basically doomed it. It was an admission of "fuck you guys, we don't give a damn about you." I doubt they've even bothered to put a server browser in.
MisterAnderson
Member
If it isn't actually based on killstreaks then that's still okay
hoyalawya
Member
I have been playing Titanfall 1 from launch until today. Putting the negative aspects aside, the new game is fun but not as fun as the old one. I like the pilot plays but hate the titan plays. Titans are too weak and does not feel like an "upgrade" to running around as a pilot. I am a variety pack player in Titanfall 1 but in the tech test I preferred the Pilot vs Pilot mode the most.
It's not obvious to the people that have not played the beta. They might think it's legit Modern Warfare style Killstreaks.
Because that's what people say they want in a sequel until it actually happens. ;p
VincentMatts
Member
I dunno, it feels like COD AW but with Titans. I wasnt crazy about TF1 either.
I would have enjoyed having more options for my titan, like giving him specific orders, attack C, run and gun, go over there etc... Now its basically the same as before: stay here or follow me. Kinda meh
The game is called titanfall, give me titan options.
I would have enjoyed having more options for my titan, like giving him specific orders, attack C, run and gun, go over there etc... Now its basically the same as before: stay here or follow me. Kinda meh
The game is called titanfall, give me titan options.