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TLOU PRO Patch 1.08 - Supersampling removed from all modes [Up: New DF video]
- Thread starter Jacob4815
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I say this again : neither one of the ND games that have been updated for PS4 Pro is using the custom features of the PS4 Pro GPU when we know that ND would be able to use them just as good as all the other devs that have used the features in their games so it's more than likely that ND is working on something for their engine that they will add to Uncharted 4 & Last Of Us when it's up & running, Probably will come with the Lost Legacy game.
This is a good point.
Maybe they didn't give a PRO support to the Uncharted Collection for this reason, and the LOU:Remastered support was a mistake and a poor decision. And they announced yesterday an update to their engine.
But still, I don't understand (from a technical point of view) the reasons on removing the supersampling at 30 fps. A mode that worked fine and without issues. For everyone.
Because they changed the game from only rendering at above 1080P to having a 1080P rendering mode. That 1080P rendering mode is automatic when you have a HDTV.
Supersampling was a bonus side effect from the game only having a 4K TV rendering mode that had to be scaled down for HDTVs.
The only problem with Digital Foundry, is that their reviews are almost too good!
Maybe you can wait a week or two. Next days we'll understand if ND really wants to fix this thing.
However, signals are not good.
PS. If you don't care about IQ and resolution, of course you should play it.
Keep up the good work, and put him on your ignore list. No idea how he's still around considering almost all of his posts are conspiracy theory-level rants.
On-topic, I'm glad I waited on the Pro. We have a lot more runway needed before we can reliably count on smooth scaling between the "lower" and "higher" level consoles. Hopefully the Scorpio team is taking notes as we get closer to that launch.
It wouldn't be super sampling in that case
Your TV likely won't accept it
d'oh, yeah wrong wording on my part.
So 4K native/30, 1800p/60 is gone for 4K display users too?
yeah, didn't think that through...
Are people really trying to put the blame on Digital Foundry or those who complained prior, on this? It's ridiculous.
The main thing I take away from this is how backwards the closed-platform model continues to be. You can't even use this new hardware the way you want to. You have to hope that the few options the developer happens to implement will fit in line with your preferences, or deal with it.
Given that the platform's nature isn't going to differ, it's on Naught Dog to provide the enough options to satisfy their customers. Perhaps start with expanding past two preset options.
The main thing I take away from this is how backwards the closed-platform model continues to be. You can't even use this new hardware the way you want to. You have to hope that the few options the developer happens to implement will fit in line with your preferences, or deal with it.
Given that the platform's nature isn't going to differ, it's on Naught Dog to provide the enough options to satisfy their customers. Perhaps start with expanding past two preset options.
What you have to understand is , that from a developers point of view, the poor publicity that Digital Foundry generate due to framerate far outweighs the noise that is generated when they comment on shadow quality or AF levels.
Clockwork
Member
What? No.
So why have they removed higher-res for 1080p display users?
Clockwork
Member
Good question and that is why people are upset.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Why are we blaming DF for this did they write the code? DF are saying that Sony are saying Pro games should not run at a lower framerate than PS4.
This is plain and simply the devs fault here.
VanCityGamer
Member
I'm so pissed at Naughty Dog for taking out downsampling. What a stupid fucking decision to not leave that as an option. There goes my reason for replaying my favorite game of all time on the PS4 Pro. Unreal and so avoidable.
public pressure from such articles certainly made them do it. As to the "backwards" model, people complain about PC game performance all the time. Devs just need to learn how to implement what they think is the best and simply not listen to sometimes clickbaity criticism.
Diablohead
Member
supersampling is such a nice thing to have and it sucks that it's been taken away, if it's an option then keep it in for those who want to use it.
We don't know for sure at the moment but yes, probably.
There will be a new DF video so we'll see.
Popsickles
Member
Fired it up last night and something looks off on 4k screen too. It looks as though the lighting resolution has taken a hit as highlighted edges and shadows at certain angles get very blocky and jaggy. Ill try to post pics later
No it's not that is the point of adding the 1080P rendering mode so that it would perform better for the people who don't have a 4K tv.
... Why wouldn't it be?
I'm confused. Do you not think that 1800p internal resolution would look much nicer on a 1080p screen?
chromatic9
Member
The situation was actually far worse. John at DF played through more of the game and encountered drops at every battle and went to down the 40s at times. This isn't worthy of a performance mode, secondly far short of Sony's own guidelines.
I wouldn't be surprised if ND tested it themselves and found those drops to 40 frames and canned it.
thatJohann
Member
Lame move, Naughty Dog.
Guess I don't need to replay this then. Saved myself $20 on this game.
Back to Watch Dogs 2
Guess I don't need to replay this then. Saved myself $20 on this game.
Back to Watch Dogs 2
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Doing options ain't cheap when customers, while some would say "yeah, it's on me if I mess my own experience up, expect a ready meal/a polished experience from each option. Adding options adds complexity to development and testing (yes, on PC too... especially PC where the experience tuning is essentially left to driver makers and end users
).I do hope that they do not stop at this knee jerk reaction of a patch and bring SSAA for the 30 FPS Pro mode at least.
Nonsense, so people with 4K have worse performance now? What is the fucking point?
The performance was the same whether you have a 1080p or 4K tv. Removing higher resolution supersampling for 1080p sets is completely moronic whatever the reason might be.
While I'm with you on this train of thought, the previous patch rendered at both 4k & 1800p rendering outputs on the fly with a toggle (30fps/4k, 60fps/1800p), so I don't understand how they can't have two rendering outputs with the new patch (30fps/4k, 60fps/1080p) ?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Ok, but 30 FPS with SSAA and non broken shadows should have been feasible then.
That has nothing to do with my post. I was telling him that the performance wasn't identical in 4K as it is in 1080P.
Of course the game is going to look better rendered at the higher resolution but the headlines didn't tell you about how the game looked better even for none 4K owners it read....
so they fixed it so that the game performed better on PS4 Pro than it does on PS4
They probably thought the tradeoff of supersampling over performance to not be worth it compared to viewing it on a 4K screen.
Melchiah
Member
Fuck. I won't be continuing my 3rd playthrough, if it won't be fixed. Truly disappointing, that those who want better quality over performance on 1080p displays, and bought the Pro for it, are completely neglected. It sets a worrying precedent.
Last of Us supersampled on a 1080p TV looks definitely a new game. Night and day difference. I think everybody who played the game before 1.08 can confirm.
So the tradeoff they thought was very inaccurate...
That has nothing to do with my post. I was telling him that the performance wasn't identical in 4K as it is in 1080P.
Of course the game is going to look better rendered at the higher resolution but the headlines didn't tell you about how the game looked better even for none 4K owners it read....
so they fixed it so that the game performed better on PS4 Pro than it does on PS4
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I have a question for you.
Don't you think people expect the PS4 Pro to do both? Look better and/or run better? That's what people were expecting, and tbh it's what they deserve.
That aside, the super sampling wasn't a "side effect", it was a feature. There are games such as Titanfall 2 which don't differentiate between the output resolution, and going forward, I'm sure supersampling is going to continue to be a thing.
Furthermore, and unless I'm mistaken, doesn't this mean that if you have a 4KTV and are upscaling to 4K, it still runs worse at the high performance mode?
The fact that they decided to remove it instead of letting the players decide for themselves seems like a boneheaded thought. And completely unexpected coming from them.
Just a reminder, people can vote the idea of a "supersampling toggle" on the ND feedback page.
Feedback is already in the first ranks.
http://feedback.naughtydog.com/foru...ption-to-toggle-supersampling-for-1080p-users
Alternative:
http://feedback.naughtydog.com/foru...ch-1-08-1080p-supersampling-removed-from-30fp
Voted, hopefully it'll reach the right persons in charge of this whole mess.
That has nothing to do with my post. I was telling him that the performance wasn't identical in 4K as it is in 1080P.
Of course the game is going to look better rendered at the higher resolution but the headlines didn't tell you about how the game looked better even for none 4K owners it read....
so they fixed it so that the game performed better on PS4 Pro than it does on PS4
By basically turning the Pro mode into the a base PS4 mode?
Yeah if that's a fix for you then the Pro seems a really justified purchase.
Thanks god other devs are putting worthile Pro patches.
Voted 3 votes on each.