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TLOU PRO Patch 1.08 - Supersampling removed from all modes [Up: New DF video]
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Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Guys lets face it - ND could have handled this better. They are the ones who screwed this up, don't put the blame on DF.
This patch is just totally weird. It disabled the 4K downsampling in the 30FPs mode... why? Who the hell asked for that? It removed a perfectly viable 1800p option and replaced it with no downsampling period in 60FPS mode. Why? Is it really possible that a more steady framerate than on base model, or similar to that, was not possible by downsampling from 1440p?
They made a patch that heavily favors 4K tv owners in the options that are available to them. They can just force their console to 1080p output and play the game at locked 60FPS or use it in 4K 60 mode in 1800p with some drops, or full 4K 30FPS.
On the other hand 1080p TV owners are stuck with just one viable 60FPS locked mode and that's it. 30FPS mode is now practically worthless on 1080TVs, unless you prefer that kind of motion blurred look.
People will defend literally every decision made and it's honestly quite baffling.
The issue is that it ran worse than the PS4. Buying a Pro shouldn't be lower fps but higher IQ with no option. That sort of trade-off for having the "premium" system is insanity. They really should have done further optimising or found how high they could push the Pro without having it run worse than the PS4. Maybe 4xMSAA or something, maybe a lower resolution.
fakeedit: I see etta already mentioned this.
I swear if the Scorpio has any of these teething issues...
It also forces the high shadow setting. I don't know if my memory is fuzzy but I remember it having better resolution but in general having missing shadows. That may be made up though... it's been a long time.
It's so silly that the OS resolution selection affects a game's internal resolution.
Liabe Brave
Member
The fact that it's so completely weird is a clue. Why would you have two modes, one of which is only worse? Because you made a mistake.
The obvious intent from the beginning has been to have two settings: high image quality, or high framerate. On a 4K display, it still does that. So the fact that it doesn't provide that any more on a 1080p display must be a bug, not a feature.
No question mark needed. The PS4 Pro 60fps mode has a higher framerate than base PS4.
SliChillax
Member
So let me see if I understand this. If you have a 4K tv it's either 4K 30fps normal shadows or 1800p 60fps normal shadows. If you have a 1080p TV it's 1080p 60fps and 30fps with better shadows?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
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Melchiah
Member
The same goes for 4K/30fps mode.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Yeah I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and say this is a bug. Luckily I have other things to occupy my time with. Can save a third play through of tlou for before part ii heh
This is what's so annoying.
I would love for them to fix it. Sadly I don't know that they have the budget to fix it. I'd settle for option 4 for users.
4.) a 2160p 30fps normal shadows mode.
It's really sad. It was a reason many of us bought the pro. It was honestly the reason I bought the pro and TLOU-R.
LelouchZero
Member
You guys do great stuff and are truly inspirational, don't let people try to bring you down, you do fantastic stuff for the whole gaming community!
Head.spawn
Junior Member
How do you set it to 1800p / 60fps? I didn't see the option.
I only saw an option to lock the frame rate on/off.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Seriously, it must be. I hope they correct it quickly, but it kind of sucks that they are fumbling this. I can understand that they are busy with more important things though, and this must be handled by like one guy in his spare time.
If you lock at 30 fps you have a 4k resolution. 1800p in the other case.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Thanks, I'll give the 60fps mode a whirl tonight, i played quite a bit of the 30fps mode last night, gorgeous game.
Hoping they will fix this too. This patch was very rushed.
So besides echoing again that games should have the option to be launched in either Base or Pro mode I admit I would appreciate the possibility as well to set the resolution to 4K downscaled to 1080p in the System Options, since besides this Dishonored 2 also only has supersampling down to 1080p if you got a 4K panel and switch the res while running the game.
I know it would make that option for games that already have this option implemented a bit redundant, but it certainly would help satisfy more camps of the PS4 Pro's userbase without having the developers forced to only choose between favoring one camp that say, wants better 1080p performance/visuals while others, like say who want supersampling, are left dissatisfied.
I know it would make that option for games that already have this option implemented a bit redundant, but it certainly would help satisfy more camps of the PS4 Pro's userbase without having the developers forced to only choose between favoring one camp that say, wants better 1080p performance/visuals while others, like say who want supersampling, are left dissatisfied.
Always-honest
Banned
Yeah... so maybe ask ND to fix it and not talk silly stuff towards DF?
This was the purpose of the topic. A shame it was derailed.
Guys, I have bad news.
I think ND doesn't want to reintroduce the supersampling.
They edited the old novembre PS Blog article about the Last of Us features on PRO. Before the editing, supersampling was listed.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/11/10/uncharted-4-and-the-last-of-us-remastered-on-ps4-pro/
Game over, I think.
I think ND doesn't want to reintroduce the supersampling.
They edited the old novembre PS Blog article about the Last of Us features on PRO. Before the editing, supersampling was listed.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/11/10/uncharted-4-and-the-last-of-us-remastered-on-ps4-pro/
Game over, I think.
Disappointing.
DF are absurd when speaking about fps. When you can see the fps to what they comment on it and your like really? A few fps dip most the time. I can't remember the quotes 1 for 1 but it's always a mole and not a mountain like they make it out to. DF make great videos, but they chat a lot of shit when ever it's fps related. Another great example is their Forza videos.
Dick Justice
Banned
People have varying sensitivities to framerate drops. Deal with it.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
The frame drops wasn't even that noticeable so thr improvement isn't either, what is is that the game got a IQ boost in PRO for 1080p users and 4k and is now "for 1080p users" the same as it was when it launched, what's worse is this is a Remaster.
Seems even Naughty Gods aren't immune from fucking up a simple Remaster
bonchooski
Member
Fuck you Naughty Dog why couldn't you wait like 2 weeks to do this I'm in the middle of my 3rd play through and now I don't even want to finish cause of this.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
Don't quote me on this as I may be misremembering, but weren't the missing shadows in 30fps mode a result of switching the setting in game, and restarting restored them?
Liabe Brave
Member
Yes the performance is the same, but it's not solid 60fps. The high-framerate mode at 1080p is the best framerate available for the game, better than base PS4. It's a little unexpected that they dropped all the way to 1080p for it, but nevertheless this mode is exactly how a "high framerate" toggle should work.
On a 4K display, they still compromise between framerate and IQ even at "high framerate", presumably to toss a bone to owners of expensive TVs. I don't agree with this decision, but I see the impetus.
No humans are immune from fucking up anything, and expecting folks to be perfect will drive you mad. What you should judge is how they respond to their inevitable mistakes. We'll see.
And while the framerate drops at 1800p60 may not be noticeable to you, they are significant. It is not just 1 or 2 frames here and there. The drops are bigger and happen pretty often.
No. It isn't.
Naughty Dog created a 1080p/30fps mode for this game, and it comes without SS, that's it. The reason why is unknown at this stage.
Maybe they think downsampling is less visible than 4K and prefer better performance at 1080p than downsampling from 4K. It's odd but it's their choice (or mistake).
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I mean the Base PS4 game not Pro, for 1080p sets it might as well not be a Pro patch game because it does nothing.
Are the problems fixed when displaying 4k?
If so why remove the supersampling?
It's as bad as that Assassins Creed Syndicate Pro patch that does nothing
matrix-cat
Member
Well, shit, that doesn't make any sense at all. DF's video showed that the 4K 30FPS mode had basically no drops whatsoever; I don't understand why they'd get rid of it.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Well this is bullshit, hope this isn't the case for games going forward.
Better IQ on a 1080p display was one of the main reasons I bought the Pro.
Better IQ on a 1080p display was one of the main reasons I bought the Pro.
bonchooski
Member
That was the reason I bought one and many titles justified my purchase of it and TLOU was one of them until this patch. I just played the part where
Joel was a sniper picking off people while Sam, Henry and Ellie were coming towards him
Probably a politic decision from Sony HQ.
I have bad feelings for the future games. I won't download next U4 patch.
Me too.
Face it Tiger..
Banned
Arne I know you are watching, put the res back on 1080p displays!