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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT3| To infinites... and beyond!
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Karsticles
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Two of his characters illicit the "oh thank God I got away for a second" syndrome.
Is Zero the quintessential fighting game character that isn't at all fun to play, but people play him anyway because he's so op once you get him to a certain level? Zero was the very first character I ever wanted to play when I got UMvC3, but I quickly noticed how unfun learning him was. I tried him again due to my recent success with finally figuring out Vergil and man is learning him not fun whatsoever. Fuck that dude.
Nah I actually do find his options fun to play with. The only thing unfun about him are his combos and Buster into Lightning. I like his charging mechanic, his mobility options, his special moves and his hypers. He is like an all around character capable of defensive play and offensive pressure sort of like Dante. Vanilla Zero if his scaling values were adjusted would be a fair and honest character (as can be in a Marvel game) but still very strong.
You can link supers together. With your team there are two ways that I know of. Here's one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8gPw-UCUY0
The other involves using red health and the medium version of gravimetric pulse to cause a wall bounce. I can't find a video of it but you do your combo of choice -> super jump. H xx m.Gravimetric Pulse XX Gravimetric blaster -> sj.H xx Nova Force
Edit: I play Nova/Hawkeye/Strider so I need the extra damage since Hawkeyes DHCs are lame outside of DHCing to his level 3. You can DHC from Nova Force to Scatter Shot and link a gimlet if you need extra damage.
Any advice on how to more consistently do Dorm's jump loop after the fwd.H teleport L sequence? I do mass change L, air dash down into j.H, and then I'm going for two reps of j.M, j.H, j.S before I do the final relaunch and finish the combo. Is there a specific height they have to be to make it easier? Or is it more of an issue of properly timing the jumping attacks?
Thanks Vice. I'll have to try this. Also I can easily get double super by calling drones right before power of the nova force, I just need to remember to use it more.
It's an option, but generally I feel like I'm wasting meter when I DHC to Hawkeye. I may try out your team configuration as well, since its 2/3's of my main team.
Karsticles
Member
It's all about perfectly timing the teleport.
You want to do it right as your opponent is hitting the wall.
Do you want to do it as soon as possible after the fwd.H or do you need to deliberately delay it a bit?
SnakeSlashRO
Banned
Whats your GT? I have wanted to fight since I saw your video on strider. Hoping I might pick up some stuff facing you. Im on Live and PSN
Did anybody else watch Big Two(Battle Circuit) last night? I didn't catch all of it, but I was very amused watching Skinhoff's Spider-Man/Magneto/Dante team. The way he was catching everyone with that Magnetic Tempest -> Ultimate Web Throw DHC trap on incoming was gimmicky, but pretty awesome too. It was the same tech as that Proton Cannon -> UWT vid from a while back right?
I imagine you could do a similar setup with she-hulk and level 3 frank's anti air hypers as well.
I imagine you could do a similar setup with she-hulk and level 3 frank's anti air hypers as well.
I'm AzureJericho on Live. I really really really suck right now though thanks to not playing regularly. We can play a bit later today though, like in another 4 hours time.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
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Proof for anyone who doesn't think Sven is just a big cocktease who only enjoys riling up fans for no reason.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=520074&highlight=ace+attorney
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=520074&highlight=ace+attorney
He's a master troll. He'll say anything just to get people's attention.
Karsticles
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Really? Did you look at the post?
http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_cap...-attorney-collection-3ds?post_num=2#529573491
It looks like he's just giving a fan an update that there's nothing in development when he was asked, and he's sad about it too. Why are you thinking there's something else going on there? He could be distant and mysterious like the rest of Capcom.
Professor Beef
Banned
Sven's probably sad that he has to answer questions, not because he cares about games.
Fuck Sven.
Fuck Sven.
I love Jam Session assist so much... I really, really wish I could play Dante backed by it.
I can't really play Dante with any other assist now. It does so much. I remember when I was struggling trying to figure out how I was supposed to use it with Viper and as soon as I started doing more Seismo-FADC its like the world itself gave me the answer I needed from forever ago.
Edit: You up for games? Anytime's good if it's today.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
Okay, maybe I didn't read enough of it. I was going by the topic's interpretation of it. My apologies. It's just that it's really easy to believe given some of his past remarks. Today I am mistaken.
Honestly, when I play my other fraudulent characters, 90% of the time I win because I know how and when to call Jam Session. It literally wins me games when otherwise I'm flailing around like an idiot with my point character. It's that good.
Maybe a little later? Not sure how long I'll be able to play, though.Edit: You up for games? Anytime's good if it's today.
its not wakeup lariat! i knew you were gonna press buttons.
its not wakeup lariat! i knew you were gonna press buttons.
It's wakeup Lariat because I don't press buttons and you saw me block at least 4 of them out of however many you used.
I was so mad being on the P2 side of the screen all those matches. I can't Seismo for crap on that side lately and I was having the worst time navigating the arrows with Dante. This is really a game and team you can't take a break from...
Oh screw it, runback?
send the invite.It's wakeup Lariat because I don't press buttons and you saw me block at least 4 of them out of however many you used.
I was so mad being on the P2 side of the screen all those matches. I can't Seismo for crap on that side lately and I was having the worst time navigating the arrows with Dante. This is really a game and team you can't take a break from...
Oh screw it, runback?
I don't think it's really a gimmick- I mean, gimmicks only work on somebody who's never seen them before but the UWT thing was hitting people over and over. I think that qualifies as legit tech.
SolarKnight
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If you guys are still online when I finish uploading these videos can I join? I'm going to be way too busy to play any videogames for like a week so I want to play as much as I can before that.
It's legitimate tech... it's cheap as fuck. The only thing gimmicky about it is relying on a TAC to get the 5 bars from the infinite to off your next 2 characters but TACs are too strong anyway that he is able to get away with it.
Skinhoff makes it legitimate because he has the execution to pull it off and he plays well with all 3 characters. Anyone else trying to play that team wouldn't be able to land hits or confirms with Spider Man.
Not only is this a random ass Sven post that no one gives a shit about AND it's random non news....
It has nothing to do with Marvel or even fighting games at all.
Soft ban Sven on here until he puts up a post worthy of being called news.
Karsticles
Member
You need to get on the PS3 version. I'd give you some lovin'.
SolarKnight
Member
Give me the $300+ needed and it's a deal.
GGs Frantic. As always, Hsien-Ko/Dante/Strider is that tech no one is ever getting to be ready for. If we ever meet up in a major, we need to troll with that sometime. :lol
I'm waaaaay rusty though and I don't even know why. I saw myself doing a whole lot of things that I know I didn't in the past and I just kinda burnt out quickly playing you. It's as if, I have the memory of what to do stuck in my head and I was just going through a lot of motions playing today. Same for my quick set with Smurf.
I'm waaaaay rusty though and I don't even know why. I saw myself doing a whole lot of things that I know I didn't in the past and I just kinda burnt out quickly playing you. It's as if, I have the memory of what to do stuck in my head and I was just going through a lot of motions playing today. Same for my quick set with Smurf.
GGs, Azure. Though there was rust on your part, a lot of it I would blame on lag. Our connection unfortunately isn't very good. >_>; It has moments of clarity, then it nose dives.
Regardless, you really need to call Jam Session when you get me in blockstun! Will help out your pressure immensely, and no doubt open me up. My defense isn't that great. For example, the only reason I was blocking Weasel Shot > Vajra was because I go for it all the time and was just holding forward the moment I blocked Weasel Shot. You gotta throw in some Stingers to blow my mind.
Other than that... not much else I can say, honestly. Most of your lost games were because of executional mishaps, I feel... and believe me, I know aaallll about losing to execution mistakes. D:
Also, I think I could make some noise with my point Strider team in a tournament. Probably more so than my main team, just because no one knows wtf to do against Strider.
Regardless, you really need to call Jam Session when you get me in blockstun! Will help out your pressure immensely, and no doubt open me up. My defense isn't that great. For example, the only reason I was blocking Weasel Shot > Vajra was because I go for it all the time and was just holding forward the moment I blocked Weasel Shot. You gotta throw in some Stingers to blow my mind.
Other than that... not much else I can say, honestly. Most of your lost games were because of executional mishaps, I feel... and believe me, I know aaallll about losing to execution mistakes. D:
If Hsien-Ko was actually capable of moving around, I'd play her seriously. Alas, she is destined to have no movement in a game dominated by strong movement.
Also, I think I could make some noise with my point Strider team in a tournament. Probably more so than my main team, just because no one knows wtf to do against Strider.
Point Strider is fucking unblockable unless you have absurdly powerful derp available right from the start. I was trying to experiment with Focus - EX Knuckle but I had two moments that just made me go "wat" and never again simultaneously. I dash canceled into your Jam Session (I still don't know what that input was all about) and the second time I got a EX Seismo, which you think would be a good thing, until the connection spiked and I got a weird neutral jump instead of air dashing forward for Viper's combo.
Didn't help that he was being backed by Bolts and Jam Session. I was so terrified of bolts that I crouched every time only to get opened up high.
I also really really really suck at Seismos lately. It's like, I can do a volley of one strength pretty easily as long as I can tell my mind to adjust for what side I'm on, but then all of a sudden, the moment I piano from one button strength to the next, I'm assed out and doing Thunder Knuckles everywhere. It really sucks too since I spent a ton of time making this new trap kinda zoning where I want to push you into the corner with Seismo-FADC reps and then call Jam when you're deep in it and go for mixups.
It's sooo intense, but I know I can do it.
Dante, man I was just far too fraudulent with tonight. I was trying to go for neutral but Bolts would come out of nowhere and tell me "nope". I'd rush and get dumb shit like dash up neutral j.M and sigh. Lockdown with Crystal? Suddenly, normals instead of plink dashes.
At least Strider was looking proper. I can still do his movement and start/stop offense fairly easily. I need to use Wall Cling (and surprisingly Formation B) a lot more though.
Didn't help that he was being backed by Bolts and Jam Session. I was so terrified of bolts that I crouched every time only to get opened up high.
I also really really really suck at Seismos lately. It's like, I can do a volley of one strength pretty easily as long as I can tell my mind to adjust for what side I'm on, but then all of a sudden, the moment I piano from one button strength to the next, I'm assed out and doing Thunder Knuckles everywhere. It really sucks too since I spent a ton of time making this new trap kinda zoning where I want to push you into the corner with Seismo-FADC reps and then call Jam when you're deep in it and go for mixups.
It's sooo intense, but I know I can do it.
Dante, man I was just far too fraudulent with tonight. I was trying to go for neutral but Bolts would come out of nowhere and tell me "nope". I'd rush and get dumb shit like dash up neutral j.M and sigh. Lockdown with Crystal? Suddenly, normals instead of plink dashes.
At least Strider was looking proper. I can still do his movement and start/stop offense fairly easily. I need to use Wall Cling (and surprisingly Formation B) a lot more though.
Honestly, I maintain that point Strider is one of the best start of the round characters. 4 frame light, 5 frame crouching light, swords, and his walk speed + double jump means you can't get close to him at the start, and you can't get away from him at the start. And those are just some of his options. That's not getting into the other bullshit he has available to him. There isn't a single character that can beat all his options. There are some that can beat one or two of his options, but not all, which means it's generally in Strider's favor. Plus, I think the only character that can catch/escape him at the start of the round is Akuma, but it's rare to see point Akuma.
And yeah, Strider + Bolts is good. It's kinda like Nova + Bolts in that it's high/low or throw... and left/right, too.
Honestly one of the reasons why I don't ever plan on playing Viper. Too much work for my hands. Have enough issues with Dante sometimes. Don't need Viper adding stress on top of it!
I was wondering what was up with those neutral j.Ms, lol. I was thinking you were trying to airdash j.M, but were mistiming it due to lag or something.
I mainly use Formation B as a footsie tool, and it's godlike at it. At 2 frames startup, it's also pretty decent as a reversal.
SolarKnight
Member
It's so frustrating when you have a combo idea, but it doesn't work because of HSD or something like that :|
Frantic or Jeri, are any of you up for more games?
Frantic or Jeri, are any of you up for more games?
All of this is pretty much the reason why I was getting unnerved very quickly playing my usual stuff. My team gets destroyed (well at the level I'm at with them) by things that either force Seismo's off the table as an option (so full screen horizontal stuff), fast ranged buttons (lol Strider's s.M, s.H, f.H, j.H) and anything that forces me to think while blocking. I now understand your extreme love for Jam Session btw. :lol
Funnily enough, at one time I thought she was a character you'd do well with too. Go figure.
The really strange thing was that I'd get a full screen dash to where you were, but the moment I'd attempt the jump, dash over and j.M/H, I'd get that result 9 times out of 10. It's so weird.
Yeah, I always like to try and move in with one with s.H xx Form B, repeat for shot, but something about tonight had me thinking that I needed to be moving around a bit more versus zoning/spacing with them. Bad call I guess.
I'll play SolarK.
It's godlike, man! It lets me get away with shit I otherwise wouldn't be able to get away with! It completely covers up the fact I only know how to Impact Palm with Dr. Strange, too.
I probably coul do well with her, but... I don't feel like putting in the effort. I pretty much play characters I like/enjoy playing, and Viper doesn't really fall in that category for me. And although I deviate to a lot of sub-teams, my main will forever be Dante on point.
SolarKnight
Member
GGs Jeri, I have to go eat dinner.
Lag aside (which pretty obviously hindered you more than me), what'd you think of the new team?
Lag aside (which pretty obviously hindered you more than me), what'd you think of the new team?
Raccoon's double shot assist is whoa. I didn't know it had so much hitstun. The team is sound and you have some good handling with Nova. I saw lag ruining a few of your setups though, especially on incoming so I can say that you're doing well with it.
You know I'm off though when I can't get anything started between Viper AND Dante though.
SolarKnight
Member
That assist got so overshadowed by Log Trap it's not even funny. Sure, Log is pretty good, but so is Double Shot. Rather than one being better than the other it's more of a case by case thing. This team works like shit with Log, but it works wonders for the Frank team.
Also, yeah, your rust really showed, but I thought you did decent all things considered.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Just popping in to say that I'm in some Gearbox marketing documentary now. Feels weird.
Are you playing him anchor or with assist(s)?
Mainly anchor. I put him on point for certain matchups that are bad for Nova.
If you're not already, try to make use as much as possible of the different formation moves- form B is great in neutral owing to its speed, and the other formations can pin your opponent down and let you get in while acting like a hit of super armor. For example, you can call a tiger and then dash in behind it to try and start pressuring and it can eat a hit if they decide to throw something out.
You can also use the animals to set up left/right mix-up attempts with teleports/wall clings. If you're in your opponent's face, you can also go for a high/low mix-up since Strider can instant overhead. All the formations are pretty fast to come out/recover, but unfortunately they have poor durability, so they are of limited use against people trying to zone you. I stupidly forget about this stuff 90 percent of the time and usually raw teleport when I shouldn't and get Strider's shit wrecked though
Frantic and Azure are likely the best Strider players here though, so I would wait for them to chime in.
Below is a bunch of useful strider tips that frantic posted a few months ago: (Frantic, I'm not at all trying to steal your thunder, I just had your tips handy since they're saved on my phone)
Karsticles
Member
I would play Morrigan/Dormammu/Morrigan if I could. Astral Vision backed by Dark Harmonizer? Yum.I love Jam Session assist so much... I really, really wish I could play Dante backed by it.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";49409460]Just popping in to say that I'm in some Gearbox marketing documentary now. Feels weird.[/QUOTE]
Cool beans. I thought you were self-banning?
"God's Beard!"
Member
Not literally, just actively avoiding using GAF to work on some stuff. I think I'm gonna ban the website from my browser for now though, the temptation is too high.