Nailed it. They make it seem like is wrong to be for justice for all meanwhile they pretty much look like the villains.
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What do you think of the people who use the pejorative "SJW?"
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Nailed it. They make it seem like is wrong to be for justice for all meanwhile they pretty much look like the villains.
excelsiorlef
Member
Meh...
It's a tweet.
Her reply to a black guy right after is more problematic.
Like see no need to pull out SJW for that.
The Fatal Englishman
Member
Personally, I find the usage of the term 'SJW' approximately as irritating as the terms 'problematic', 'toxic' or 'mansplaining'.
excelsiorlef
Member
The Fatal Englishman
Member
Because each of those terms is indicative of a distinctively anti-intellectual undercurrent that frequently characterises internet conversations.
Using the terms 'problematic' or 'toxic' bears just as much resemblance to drive-by shitposting as the term 'SJW' does. All of terms basically amount to 'I don't like/agree with this person but I can't be bothered to or lack the capacity to explain why'.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
What? Plenty of times people have elaborated on why they find certain things problematic or toxic. What are you on about
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Speaking of specific behaviors as if they're abstracts occurring in a vaccuum tends to kneecap useful discussion way more than the sort of thing Gun Haver is describing here:
(Their posts have been really well thought out, scroll back if you've missed em).
However, the sort of branding/redefinition of concepts we already have names/words for often is coupled with the sort of abstract/context-free examples & analogies that tend to gravitate to the center of a conversation once it starts going, so they end up getting confused for each other.
But really, it's not the rush to re-name and brand a pre-existing phenomena that fucks up a discussion so much as it is people's need to proceed from the jump-off point of a conversation and obfuscate & fuzz all the details until the "what if" that replaces it is so vague and formless, divorced from any real-world relevance, that its only real worth is as some sort of drawn-out Scruples-esque parlor game.
(It happens very, very frequently when it comes to discussions on race here, for example)
(Their posts have been really well thought out, scroll back if you've missed em).
However, the sort of branding/redefinition of concepts we already have names/words for often is coupled with the sort of abstract/context-free examples & analogies that tend to gravitate to the center of a conversation once it starts going, so they end up getting confused for each other.
But really, it's not the rush to re-name and brand a pre-existing phenomena that fucks up a discussion so much as it is people's need to proceed from the jump-off point of a conversation and obfuscate & fuzz all the details until the "what if" that replaces it is so vague and formless, divorced from any real-world relevance, that its only real worth is as some sort of drawn-out Scruples-esque parlor game.
(It happens very, very frequently when it comes to discussions on race here, for example)
cryptosporidium
Member
its usually pretty cringey, though is a good descriptor of some people
I tend to not use it and if i have to ill use white knight or some other varient.
I tend to not use it and if i have to ill use white knight or some other varient.
excelsiorlef
Member
White knight might actually be worse
White Knight is great as like cuck it shows more about the person using than the person they were trying to insult.
They literally cannot understand that it is possible to see women as anything other than fucktoys so if you are defending a woman it is obviously because you want to have sex with her, there is no other reason. There can't be.
DukeTogo1300
Member
It's become the new 'pussy' in these hyper-political times. The unapologetic cis-white-male of the 80's evolved into something a bit more topical. It's all just as ugly as it ever was.
Fast Forward
Member
Honestly? I think they either work for Fox, or a Fox viewers/supporters. I think they are brain fucking washed. That's what I think.
Granted, buzzed AF ATM, but when someone is drinking, like myself, I tell the truth, and that's very much the truth from my perspective.
The term "What's the matter with Kansas?" also comes to mind, TBH. As in, voters who vote against their own best interest.
Granted, buzzed AF ATM, but when someone is drinking, like myself, I tell the truth, and that's very much the truth from my perspective.
The term "What's the matter with Kansas?" also comes to mind, TBH. As in, voters who vote against their own best interest.
IrishNinja
Member
i believe it - gotta figure the venn diagram between those people & folks who think currying favor in the afterlife is likewise the only reason to do good things has to have tremendous overlap
ugh, okay - what's the context where SJW as a pejorative isn't douchey
what a load of projectionist horseshit - there's literally ten writeups on nearly every example of problematic or toxic shit going down on both sides of GAF, but it's much easier to just dismiss that i imagine
i agree with both paragraphs of this fine post
Conciliator
Banned
when someone uses it completely non-ironically it does sort of make you go "ohhhhhhh, so that's where you hang out on the internet"
IrishNinja
Member
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Cuck is actually an even bigger tool phrase, since it literally means nothing. At least with SJW, it's directed at..... something? Cuck as an insult makes absolutely zero sense, and the logic applied to try to dissect the usage of it as an insult makes the sayer seem even crazier.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Most of them are ignorant.
Some are toxic.
Some are toxic.
Yeah this is how I feel about it. I'd never use the term though just because it actually makes me cringe because of the people who usually use it. But when I see oh hear the term I do think of those extreme people.
I didn't even know that MRAs were a real thing lol, what is even the point of it?
Alexander DeLarge
Member
heh I just watched that HITB episode.
Subway Diet
Member
I don't like to admit it, but the internet of late has hardened me in such a way that the moment someone starts dropping these kind of phrases without a hint of irony, I'll just walk away.
Context is key, of course. Yet it's still damn-near 99% of the time being used by either some edgelord kid or a grown-ass adult who is too far gone. It feels impossible to reason with such people. It's not up to me to help them grow up and grow a sense of empathy.
The 1% is usually someone who doesn't understand the negative connotations or was struggling to find an accurate term to express themselves. Easier to talk with them and at least hope they course correct.
Context is key, of course. Yet it's still damn-near 99% of the time being used by either some edgelord kid or a grown-ass adult who is too far gone. It feels impossible to reason with such people. It's not up to me to help them grow up and grow a sense of empathy.
The 1% is usually someone who doesn't understand the negative connotations or was struggling to find an accurate term to express themselves. Easier to talk with them and at least hope they course correct.
Messofanego
Banned
Aka Laci Green, the ultimate white feminist.
IrishNinja
Member
this should catch on
this too
i mean
it kinda is/and that kinda doesn't
Messofanego
Banned
Haha
velociraptor
Junior Member
I think the only instance where the usage of the term like SJW is applicable is when people think it's ok to raise a baby without a gender, or forcing a kid to adopt the choices that the opposite gender would traditionally make. That my friends is a whole another level of fuckery.
It also bothers me when people get mad if a movie/game director chooses a character of gender X to be the lead of said movie/game. Who gives a shit? This is the director's personal choice. Why people complain about the most inane of issues is beyond me. There are far bigger things to worry about in life than pointless, trivial aspects of entertainment.
It also bothers me when people get mad if a movie/game director chooses a character of gender X to be the lead of said movie/game. Who gives a shit? This is the director's personal choice. Why people complain about the most inane of issues is beyond me. There are far bigger things to worry about in life than pointless, trivial aspects of entertainment.
velociraptor
Junior Member
What is a cuck? Haven't really seen or heard anyone use that as a slur.
Cuck as in cuckold - a man who doesn't do anything when someone else pursues his wife?
Yeah. It is - fascinatingly - quite common as an "insult" among alt-right/MRA/GG circles, though I have never seen it bear any semblance of meaning.
A term like "virtue signalling" I can somewhat get behind as it at least at some point described a specific behaviour that has been broadened to the point of being a catch-all term for "anyone speaking on behalf of a certain (left-wing) social movement", but "cuck" has zero meaning in that context - or is it the "alpha" community saying they're emasculating the "betas" by screwing their s.o.?
In short, the term means f*** all.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I think it is shorthand for "if you had a girlfriend, she would be cheating on you".
On point as always.
You Are Viewtiful
Member
MRA is a real thing. It started out as a subreddit, and it's not a pejorative. I wouldn't say it's the equivalent of SJW. There's no SJW subreddit and it was never a self identifying term.
Problematic is a wonderful word that has use well beyond politics. Toxic is a pretty accurate description of attitudes on the net. Mansplaining, I see it on a daily basis on Twitter. Espcially in regards to women's issues.
White Knight is a tricky one. While yes, it implies that the person "white knighting" only views the woman as a sex object to be won over, quite often that is actually the case. The problem is it's applied widely without knowing the person's views or intentions.
Messofanego
Banned
Problematic is a wonderful word that has use well beyond politics. Toxic is a pretty accurate description of attitudes on the net. Mansplaining, I see it on a daily basis on Twitter. Espcially in regards to women's issues.
That Silicon Valley bit was hilarious XD Their expressions say it all.
Sir Alemeth
Member
The Alt-right is SJW.
This is spot on.
Patrick S.
Banned
I regularly see people being banned for using the term here on NeoGAF. Never heard it before I saw it here.
funkystudent
Member
It was a once a catch all insult for a particular brand of vapid armchair social issue discussion you see a lot of on the internet that got taken over by alt right reddit fuckwits and now any shade of grey in social issues on the internet is gone and everyone just calls the other side hitler over and over.
I also think it would make a good wrestling federation name.
I also think it would make a good wrestling federation name.
Only one side is supporting a fascist president. So...
I don't say they're Nazis, but I have no problem calling out bigoted horseshit.